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Story
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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Ripp]
      #151621 - 24/01/10 05:47 AM

1. What I have is a surprise.
2. As 450 366 mentioned, it takes awhile to wake up and get the synapses firing properly. Be sure and set your dead bolts before you go to sleep, folks. It's surprising how many people do NOT - and the bad guys take advantage of that.
3. Recommended reading for all US defensive pistol owners and suggested for our foreign friends as well
http://www.amazon.com/Stressfire-Vol-Gunfighting-Police-Techniques/dp/0936279036
4. For our Canadian brethren reduced to midnight swordfights with bad guys, I'd like to suggest
http://www.paladin-press.com/product/Bowie_and_Big_Knife_Fighting/Knife_and_Sword_Fighting
If you're without your sword and all you have is a 16" meat knife, the information above will come in handy.


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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Ripp]
      #151623 - 24/01/10 05:48 AM

Please dont take this as a fight agains handguns, locked up or in a bedstand. But kids are kids, they are programed to test boundrarys and limits, to explore and to challenge authorities (parents and later law). They will do so and the only thing i can do on the way is to minimize the danger.
As you say they are around enough thing anyway, and thats why i unplug all my powertools as soon as i or they used them, i take the keys out of any tractor,car etc. as soon as we are done with them.
I agree its more likely they get hurt playing around the farm, but if i did leave my hayfork upsidedown under the barn hatch, and some kid fell ower it, i shoot myself. The same thing if i would leave a firearm loaded and a frind of a frend from my kids found it and hurt anyone.

I know most people at the country in your continent probably are keeping a shotgun or handgun loaded, you are brought up this way and know it, in my eyes thats a perfect thing.

Here the possibility that a kid doesent even know what it is, is huge, and it only need to be one, probably one of you neighburs or your kids schoolmates, are from a less educated family , could also be quite large. Could you live with yourself is something happend? Nowing it could have been avoided. I couldnt.

My god i start to sound as my father.

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Story]
      #151626 - 24/01/10 06:01 AM

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1. What I have is a surprise.
2. As 450 366 mentioned, it takes awhile to wake up and get the synapses firing properly. Be sure and set your dead bolts before you go to sleep, folks. It's surprising how many people do NOT - and the bad guys take advantage of that.





Here in europe they use gas to keep you from waking , no firearm or knife will help there. A gas alarm is the best way to keep safe from the pros.

Fire is my fear, its sneaks up on you and if you are lucky the alarms is triggered and you are ably to save the family. Then its all the creepy crawlers that are loose on the streets, no training of mine will help if im not there when my kids are grabbed.

My point is that a burglary at knight is one of my least.

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: 450_366]
      #151697 - 25/01/10 04:54 AM

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Here in europe they use gas to keep you from waking , no firearm or knife will help there. A gas alarm is the best way to keep safe from the pros.




Wow, that's a new one - and it hasn't shown up here yet. Are most bedrooms in Sweden on the first floor?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/206/206175_costa_brits_gassed_by_gangs.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560520/Beware-sleeping-gas-gang-caravanners-told.html

For whatever it's worth, I also read on a South African forum where the burglars where burning CD's to create the fumes. Sounds potentially lethal and low-tech, but about what one could expect from Nigerian or Congolese criminals.


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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Story]
      #151711 - 25/01/10 05:44 AM

Almost all new houses are only one floor, but many older ones are built two stage and many of them have at least one bedroom on the second floor.
Its not that common in sweden at burglarys for now, but on caravans and motorhomes its frequent accouring.

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: 450_366]
      #151712 - 25/01/10 05:46 AM

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Please dont take this as a fight agains handguns, locked up or in a bedstand. As you say they are around enough thing anyway, and thats why i unplug all my powertools as soon as i or they used them, i take the keys out of any tractor,car etc. as soon as we are done with them.
I agree its more likely they get hurt playing around the farm, but if i did leave my hayfork upsidedown under the barn hatch, and some kid fell ower it, i shoot myself. The same thing if i would leave a firearm loaded and a frind of a frend from my kids found it and hurt anyone.


My god i start to sound as my father.




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Absolutely do NOT take it as a fight..actually find this really interesting..seeing how things are very different..by reading your memo it really makes me aware of how different people really are. And makes me realize how much more open we all need to be to other cultures, views, etc.

When I was growing up or when I lived on the farm with my family, we did not take the keys out of anything..in fact some of our tractors were so old, they didn't have keys..so no worries there.. We were expected to get our work done, period. Even at a very young age..believe me, when we had free time the last thing we wanted to do was go near a tractor again..

All I know is, I was literally shooting a .22 rimfire on a regular basis when I was 5 and 6 years old with my brothers who were 7 and 8 years older than me..so, guess I was lucky to be that much younger..got my first .22 rimfire for Christmas when I was 9..still have it..shot one trillion gophers with it.. ...not really, but as a kid it seemed like it..no suppervision after the first week or so..was left on my own--once my work/chores were done I was free to go shoot...for my work I got one box of .22 ammo per week..which was usually gone by Monday..

As 9.3 and I have stated...when and where we grew up --there were many more dangers than a firearm to ones life..in todays world things are a bit different...but, as I stated earlier, are they or do we believe they are---personally think if we still raised kids the way they were raised 30 to 40 years ago--a lot of our problems today would not be problems.. and God willing--will apply the same to my grandkids...if I ever have any...

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Ripp]
      #151716 - 25/01/10 05:55 AM

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All I know is, I was literally shooting a .22 rimfire on a regular basis when I was 5 and 6 years old with my brothers who were 7 and 8 years older than me..so, guess I was lucky to be that much younger..got my first .22 rimfire for Christmas when I was 9..still have it..shot one trillion gophers with it.. ...not really, but as a kid it seemed like it..no suppervision after the first week or so..was left on my own--once my work/chores were done I was free to go shoot...for my work I got one box of .22 ammo per week..which was usually gone by Monday..


Ripp




Thats the kind of childhood that makes honest people, those days are sadly gone for most of us, the only thing to do now is to make the best out of it. Nowdays most work at least 40 hours a day and drive another hour, then the kids "need" all the recreation activities as sports and so on. If the modern human gets one good hour a day with his kids he is a lucky man. Sadly most will spend it in front of the TV.

And we wonder why the world looks as it does.

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: 450_366]
      #151739 - 25/01/10 10:35 AM

G'Day Fella's,

It was very enlightening to read what you blokes have to say about your part of the planet and the need to have a loaded firearm within easy reach.

I just have to say that I'm really pleased I have grown up and live where I do, as we have never had to even contemplate, such situations!

But as they say at the start of that absolute cracker of movie "LA Confidential", Welcome to the Future!!! Unfortunately, the social fabric of even our part of the planet is now, Going to the Dogs!

I have a couple of nice handguns that I imagine might be handy for personal protection. They are a Sig Sauer Mosquito in .22LR, a S&W M63 in .38 Special, a couple of others and then a Glock 20 in 10mm Auto!
I have also been shooting IPSC for 30 years now, so I might be able to use them reasonable well but shooting paper and people is miles apart!


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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Homer]
      #151747 - 25/01/10 01:19 PM

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G'Day Fella's,

It was very enlightening to read what you blokes have to say about your part of the planet and the need to have a loaded firearm within easy reach.

I just have to say that I'm really pleased I have grown up and live where I do, as we have never had to even contemplate, such situations!

HooRoo
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Hommer

Actually where I live or have lived I have never really felt the need to have one loaded..but I do anyway..just like to keep them handy....

I firmly enjoy the right to be able to make that decision for myself versus the goverment making it for me...

Where I live or have lived, it is much more probable to need a firearm for some pesty skunk, badger or whatever as you will for those with 2 legs... I NEVER go hiking without one someone for that reason..never know when you will run into that 1 in a 100,000 encounter...would much rather be on the plus side of that statistic...

Having said tha, have traveled many places here in the US where I would not go very far without one on me there as well..and has saved my bacon on 2 different situations..hoping if and when number three comes around I will have one then too..

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Ripp]
      #151756 - 25/01/10 02:07 PM

Here we have a necessity to keep one loaded and ready for a variety of reasons, mostly involving DOGS.

So, while the 640 is handy, so is the scoped rifle that leans by the bed.

Just about 2 weeks ago or so I shot what turned out to be a about 90 pounds of a neighbor's dog.

During the midday it made an attempt to get thru our front gate, probably after our sheep. My son's Springer Spaniel ran it off.

Then it looped up a half mile and came back, this time clearly chasing the sheep and among the horses.

Stupidly, I felt heart strings pulled when I saw the purple collar. I know better, sweet as can be, they all are sheep killers and horse chasers. Anyway, I gave it another chance and chased it off. I should have shot it then and there.

Strike 2.

Then later it came back and faced off with the steer. The steer charged it. I was at this point standing by the barn with the .264 leaning on the fence post and in my mind I said "If it runs off, leave it alone, but if it stops and comes back, break the trigger". It came back and I broke the trigger.

Strike 3. Yer out.

I suppose a .264 would change the mind of an intruder, too.

PS: I didn't know whose dog it was as tho it had a collar, it had no tags. It is illegal to let a dog run at-large here. Turns out the neighbor searched all over the place and finally found blood on the snow and came to my place asking why I shot his dog. I told him. We shook hands, he apologized, and that is the end of it. Nice fellow.

I have stitched up too many sheep. People, don't let your dogs roam.

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #151767 - 25/01/10 04:05 PM

G'Day Fella's,

(Edit- I forgot to say, I'm glad to hear you blokes aren't constantly confronted with a need to defend yourselves with firearms! Hommer).

Ripp, I used to work as the gunsmith at a local gun shop and I once had a customer who was a "Digger" (this is the affectionate name Australians give to Australian Soldiers/Servicemen (as they were always "Digging Bloody Fox Holes"). In this case, this gentleman was a WW II Veteran) and he told me that "If you are a good person and you didn't start the fight, it is always better to be tried by Twelve than to be carried by Six"!
No truer words were ever spoken!!!

9.3, you won't get any complaints from me!
Canberra is the Capital City of Australia and is also referred to as "The Bush Capital".
We have a series of closely settled urban areas with substantial areas of rural land, reserves etc, separating these urban areas. The rural areas are generally farmed by "Lease Holders" and a couple of mates of mine have leases.
"M.T." in particular has always had problems with Town Dogs chasing and or attacking his stock (sheep & cattle), so "M.T." prefers the .220 Swift for fixing this problem!

The up side of this for me is that within 15 minutes of leaving home, I can be hunting anything from Rabbits, Foxes and at times, Goats ,Pigs and Fallow Deer!

It's not all "Beer and Skittles" though, as I also have to do my bit for social responsibility/volunteer work and this comes in the form of helping these mates and other Lease Holders to cull the Kangaroos on these leased rural areas. While the people of Canberra do a pretty good job of culling hundreds of "Roo's" with there cars each year, I generally still manage to shoot at least 300 Roo's, most years.
The culling is done by spotlighting at night, with my .222 or .223 and head shooting the poor bloody creatures. It may sound glamorous but it really is, a prick of a job!!!


HooRoo
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Edited by Hommer (26/01/10 10:03 AM)


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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Homer]
      #153334 - 11/02/10 08:18 AM

I'm a police officer. In a couple months I'll observe my tenth anniversary as a cop. I live in the same city that I work for and over the years I've had many an individual tell me they know me and where I live. Often these moments have occurred when I'm on a call and the person telling me they know who I am is a possible suspect. Usually it's not at all threatning I should add. They're just trying to make conversation with me. Police work is a strange job. But when I was new it was disconcerting to hear them describe my house.

Well anyway last September I was doing some yardwork. The garbage truck came by to pick up our trash and the guys were kind enough to wait for me to bring the trashbag full of grass clippings over to them. Suddenly one of the workers smiled and told me that I had arrested him in the past. Of course I didn't recognize him. He told me I arrested him on Halloween night 2000 (October 31, 2000) for domestic battery. Then I remembered. He had punched his old lady a couple times because she told him they couldn't afford to get pizza delivered and when she went to call 911 he pulled the phone jack out of the outlet (911 Interference is a criminal offense in Idaho). He was really drunk that night and had been unemployed for several months.

Anyway our encounter was fine. He shook my hand and told me thanks. Yes he said thanks. He evidently had to go to court ordered drug addiction counseling as part of his probation.He got clean, got the job with the trash company (probably earning more than me) and he and his wife were doing just fine. He shook my hand and off he went. That was a good encounter and a good story, but it made me think. It was nine years later and he remembered me. Fortunately his experience actually turned into a positive thing and he actually thanked me for getting the ball rolling. But I'm pretty sure that he's the exception not the norm. So yes I'm armed and I have no trouble with the law abiding citizen being armed becasue whose to say that they might not have pissed somebody off in their past as well - for example.

I keep my GLOCK 19 loaded and next to my bed at night.I move it every morning to a more secure location, but I can access it without any difficulty if need be. I also keep my GLOCK 26 close by where I can get it. I've never needed to use them at home (thank god), but it's good to be prepared. And I have no trouble with anyone who wants to do the same.Whether that person be a cop, a stock broker or a plumber. I've walked into many a home with loaded firearms and often the owners are very quick to tell me. I don't have any trouble with that. There are many many weapons in a house and the fact of the matter is that there is always at least one handgun at every call I go to - mine. It's just a fact of life. Dosen't change my belief in the 2nd Amendment and I've been a card carrying member of the National Rifle Association for twelve years.


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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Checkman]
      #153364 - 11/02/10 04:08 PM

In Australia Checkman you would make the papers and be jailed. Your story is a valid one however

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Empire375]
      #153373 - 11/02/10 11:34 PM

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In Australia Checkman you would make the papers and be jailed. Your story is a valid one however




What part of his story is a jailable offense??

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: 9.3x57]
      #153393 - 12/02/10 04:06 AM

Having a pistol for home defence is not a legally accepted "Valid Reason". For the pistol shooters who do have pistols at home the guns must be in a locked and bolted down steel safe that renders the pistol useless if you home is violated.
If you had a loaded pistol next to your bed and were caught with it there then you would get hammered.
I said that only because Checkman is a law officer. It strikes me as unreal that Checkman is a lawman in another western society and yet the laws are so different that in Australia he would be in deep doo doo.
I'm not having a go at him. Its just an observation thats all.


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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Empire375]
      #153395 - 12/02/10 04:36 AM

I can, and do, keep a couple of loaded handguns within easy access. I use a wall safe with a biometric lock. Once I make the three steps from my bed, all I have to do is push a button and put my finger on a pad. A door then instantly drops revealing two loaded pistols ready for action. My wife's fingerprint will do the same thing. The safe allows fast access but keeps our loaded firearms out of a child's reach. Even well behaved children trained in firearms safety should be kept from loaded firearms unless under direct adult supervision.

The ability to own and use handguns is one of the few things still differentiating the USA from the EU. The number of concealed carry licensees has been continuing to grow. A big surge in applications came just before the presidential election. The surge turned into a tidal wave and it has yet to recede. About half of the licenses are going to first time concealed carriers and a big portion of those are new handgun owners. Sales of handguns and ammunition were so great that stores were cleaned out and the back-orders are just catching up after over a year. Many, many people now own handguns. Any new national move to ban handguns will be met with a resistance unlike any seen before.

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Empire375]
      #153399 - 12/02/10 05:24 AM

Quote:

Having a pistol for home defence is not a legally accepted "Valid Reason". For the pistol shooters who do have pistols at home the guns must be in a locked and bolted down steel safe that renders the pistol useless if you home is violated.
If you had a loaded pistol next to your bed and were caught with it there then you would get hammered.
I said that only because Checkman is a law officer. It strikes me as unreal that Checkman is a lawman in another western society and yet the laws are so different that in Australia he would be in deep doo doo.
I'm not having a go at him. Its just an observation thats all.





EMPIRE 375,

Another observation or questions on my part..Does the goverment require thieves, robbers, murderers and such to have their handguns locked up also???

I say that in jest, but really, some laws, many of which are here in the US, have ruled out all common sense...

Take care

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Ripp]
      #153402 - 12/02/10 05:39 AM

Hi Ripp
My experience says that the thieves, robbers, murderers are in fact exempt and are actually given unofficial conceal carry permits. They are also not required to have permits to purchase as I do.


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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Checkman]
      #153409 - 12/02/10 07:02 AM

Checkman may or may not know that because he is a police officer he can carry a concealed pistol just about anywhere in the USA, even down the streets of Manhattan, if he chooses. The USA has a law called the "Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act" (LEOSA) signed into law on 22 July, 2004 by President Bush as 18 U.S. Code 926B and 926C. There are some conditions but basically it means that he can carry in any state. It overrides local and state laws as well so, for example, he can carry concealed in an area like San Francisco where the citizens themselves are banned from carrying.

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Grenadier]
      #153450 - 12/02/10 03:58 PM

Yes I'm familiar with 18 U.S Code 926B and 926C. But it is not a blank check. I do have to follow the various state laws as regarding firearms on private property and state, county and local goverment property. And I also have to obey all Federal laws regarding firearms on Federal property.

My concealed carry piece has to be one approved by my department and I have to have my badge and police photo I.D. card with me as well. When I go to Oregon I leave my G26 in my car if we're going to walk on the beaches. It's my understanding that under Oregon state law only law enforcement personal on duty can have firearms on the beaches. I might be wrong but I'm not going to chance it.

Having said all that I also have a CCW through Idaho mainly because I support the program.


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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Checkman]
      #158241 - 05/04/10 05:37 AM

My wife sleeps with a .44 bulldog in her side of the headboard & i keep a 1911 .45 in mine.

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: shorthair]
      #174984 - 06/02/11 02:55 PM

Not allowed to keep a firearm next to the bed, as specified by Canadian law, BUT, I keep my phone in the bedroom with 911 on speed dial cause I KNOW the police will be at my house the second I make the call and the bad guy will be scooped up and my wife and I will be able to go back to sleep knowing that justice was served.

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: Story]
      #175012 - 07/02/11 02:06 AM

I have these.

http://www.taylorbrothersdoorlock.com/

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Re: A well armed man. [Re: carpediem4570]
      #175024 - 07/02/11 07:39 AM

Wow!



Quote:

...I KNOW the police will be at my house the second I make the call...







That's Faith!







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Re: A well armed man. [Re: tinker]
      #175071 - 08/02/11 05:55 AM

Carp is being sarcastic - here, were someone to break into your house - attack your wife or kids and you beat him to death with your fists - no weapon used, you'd be charged with third degree murder - and probably convicted unless he was armed or you armed the body. Even then, it would be hard fought and you'd need a very good lawyer - because

"all he wanted was your sterio and you murdered him". (His assault on your house-hold and family was accidental) He never meant to hurt anyone" - "he was a good man, wonderful father/worker/student/a--hole/pin cushion -yadda yadda yadda" -

is the defence - and pretty much all that's needed. The ciminal 'justice' system will do the rest. Such is life in 'Utopia'.


Firearms handy for protection purposes are not allowed here - you might accidently or on purpose shoot a criminal and we can't have that, Old chap!

Yeah- I feel synical.

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Daryl


"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V


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