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Doubles At Auction
      #229593 - 02/05/13 10:15 AM

In keeping with the "Mausers at Auction" thread.
I will start it off...

Very nice Alex Henry - converted by Fraser!

http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co...m=4&lang=En

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Huvius]
      #229594 - 02/05/13 10:38 AM

And an H&H at the same auction.

http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co...=17&lang=En

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Huvius]
      #229597 - 02/05/13 10:58 AM


Thanks for posting.

Is that a high estimate for that Alex Henry ?


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: 500Nitro]
      #229599 - 02/05/13 11:37 AM

Less so for the Henry than the H&H I think.

There is also a Westley

http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co...=24&lang=En

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Huvius]
      #229601 - 02/05/13 11:42 AM


I don't like the look of that Holland.
Not my style.


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: 500Nitro]
      #229602 - 02/05/13 11:43 AM


I wish they had showed the top of the action
on the Westley.

I have a similar one but with 23" barrels.


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: 500Nitro]
      #229610 - 02/05/13 03:15 PM

This very nice too:

Miller & Val.Greiss München Cal. 8x57IR



http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=3859202

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Huvius]
      #229613 - 02/05/13 03:49 PM

I do not think the auction house has correctly described the caliber of the Westley, and if they have described it correctly, the ammunition being sold with the rifle is incorrect for that rifle.

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: dracb]
      #229615 - 02/05/13 04:21 PM


drabc

I see what you mean.


Unless someone tries a case or two in the chamber then
I don't think anyone will know.


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Huvius]
      #229645 - 03/05/13 05:23 AM

Quote:

In keeping with the "Mausers at Auction" thread.
I will start it off...

Very nice Alex Henry - converted by Fraser!

http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co...m=4&lang=En




imho the Henry is perfect










13DJ-1 ALEX HENRY DOUBLE RIFLE
Alexander Henry double rifle with Jones under lever type release in .450 – 400 3 ¼” express caliber. Serial number 1581. The rifle is proofed for black powder loads and shows a 29” barrel and is nearly 46” overall. The bottom of the frame is engraved converted by D & J Fraser. Both the lock plates and barrels show Alex Henry signature. The barrels retain 75% to 85% of their original brown finish with good patterning to the steel and the barrels some slight loss at the edges. The rifle has been fitted with later front and rear sights that are neatly done and probably by British gunsmith. The locks and frame show 50% to 70% case hardening drifting to silver and is still colorful. The trigger guard shows strong traces of original blue as does the lever. The frame and lever mounts are all nicely engraved matching to the pistol grip cap which shows most of his original blue finish. The action is very tight and the gun locks up perfectly. The bores are bright and the rifle has seen little use. The stocks are a select walnut with good grain showing crisp checkering. The stocks are in fine condition and the butt stock measures 14 ¾” from the front trigger to the end of the metal butt plate. A very nice condition double rifle by an excellent maker. Also included is an associated leather over Oak box lined in red felt which was not originally made for this rifle but has been with it along while and is a British product of the correct era. Est. $6,000-$12,000.

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #229646 - 03/05/13 05:26 AM


The patina of that action looks just like a BP gun I used to own.


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: 500Nitro]
      #229652 - 03/05/13 08:20 AM

Then H&H is a sealed bid sale with a $13,500 minimum!

I wonder what it is that the Fraser Bros. did for this conversion on the Henry?

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: AkMike]
      #229653 - 03/05/13 09:14 AM

Nice to see the hammer sidelock from Alexander Henry - I would love to have it in hand.

A lightweight? rifle in that calibre would be very nice with excellent engraving, truly a keeper

Agree with Lancaster, it appears perfect - bolted locks as well as all the above

Despite the price difference, I would prefer it to the H&H !!

Thanks for the pics - good to see

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: TH44]
      #230418 - 23/05/13 11:04 PM

Very nice rifle with interesting caliber 10,75 x 70 R :

https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/?link=market&sale_id=90876

Wilhelm Heym sidelock double rifle with Greener action









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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Igorrock]
      #230471 - 25/05/13 04:16 AM

dont forget the pic of the brown bear shot with this double rifle. 10,75x70R cartridges of the lot Harald Wolf made fore this double rifle in the early 1990s are still available on the cartridge collector market.



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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #230474 - 25/05/13 04:41 AM

You just do not need 10,75x70R to kill a brown bear, last year here in Finland passed away a man who killed local big grown-up bear with one shot .22 LR....

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Igorrock]
      #230497 - 25/05/13 08:34 PM

ok, I will give you a 22 lr single shot and you go into this thick underbrush to shot McBrumm for me.
you can take so many rounds as you wish to have

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #231106 - 12/06/13 01:50 PM

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4445822

a rare double rifle in 9,3x72R by A.Kavan in Ferlach build in 1934(?)
60 cm long barrels












you see the 9,3x72R in a drilling every day but in a double rifle its a very rare thing

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #231143 - 13/06/13 06:01 PM

A .22LR in the ear at 50 yds will do for most things on the planet, not something I´d choose as a stopper though , best

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #231825 - 29/06/13 01:24 AM

very rare Merkel Bock DR in 8x65R Brennecke (I or .318 bore) made in 7/1938
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4434215





















































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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #231843 - 29/06/13 08:37 AM

Returning to the original post about the Alexander Henry (I could not resist another drool!) and AK Mike's question about Fraser's conversion I had a thought (dangerous at my age!)

The conversion would most probably have been from percussion, the beautiful fences [classic percussion], the central firing pins and the hammerless sidelocks - rare on later Alexander Henrys, are the major clues

I have several photographs of such conversions, some in Donald Dallas' books and they are excellent examples of the gunmaker's art
Many top [and not so top] makers offered this service. I would love to know exactly how it was done

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Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: TH44]
      #233039 - 28/07/13 04:17 AM

It would be very nice to own that rifle:

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4511688





















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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Igorrock]
      #233043 - 28/07/13 06:09 AM

Thats a fab looking .470 / .375 combination double rifle and really great value for money, however...I would be a bit wary of that highly figured stock...looks great, but might not be so strong in the wrist!

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Nordmann]
      #233054 - 28/07/13 03:43 PM

Quote:

I would be a bit wary of that highly figured stock...looks great, but might not be so strong in the wrist!


That´s why there is those lower and upper tang extensions. And maybe a steel bar inside pistolgrip too....

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Igorrock]
      #233055 - 28/07/13 03:57 PM


You mean the strap over comb ?

Would be interested in a stock makers view on it.


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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233067 - 28/07/13 09:38 PM

If it is stocked with an internal bar/bolt up through the wrist like many European rifles (and shotguns) for example, and it probably is, then thats a different situation, but if its stocked like an English double side lock with just wood and extended top tang and lower tang then thats a different situation especially on a double rifle where not all the energy/ recoil is forced straight back and where there are some sideways stress as well. (barrels are positioned either side of center)

Those burly walnut stocks are decorative but they are not as strong as straight grained walnut. I have even seen a couple of small bore shotguns with similar stocks just crack off (admittedly they don't have an extended top tang) and I even had a gun broken in shipping too, cracked right through the wrist packed in an oak and leather case.

Whatever the situation, I for one am not fond of that light burly wood, I prefer to see straight grain through the wrist with some burl in the stock toward the back and bottom and wood with a deeper darker color.

Each to their own!

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Nordmann]
      #233083 - 29/07/13 01:24 AM

That is a beautiful gun for sure but the strength of the stock is a real concern too.
Just think, if it had Holland & Holland engraved on it, it would be a $160K gun!

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Huvius]
      #233085 - 29/07/13 03:25 AM

Huvlus... if it was a Holland & Holland Royal deluxe with 2 barrel set it would be a $240K gun!

However needs a bit of extra finish to get there...more contemporary style stock with a better wood grain and a Silvers recoil pad, a proper oak and leather case, all the screws lined up, fitted sling swivels and a better foresight it would certainly help.

Still it's great value for money and not everyone can afford a H&H.

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Nordmann]
      #233087 - 29/07/13 03:37 AM

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if it was a Holland & Holland Royal deluxe with 2 barrel set......fitted sling swivels



Sling swivels ? In british double ? I don´t think so.

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Igorrock]
      #233088 - 29/07/13 03:49 AM

Igor

What are you talking about ?


I'm surprised this gun doesn't have them.
PITA to carry if in an awkward situation.



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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233090 - 29/07/13 05:31 AM

Slings and swivels may be in use among todays hunters but if you look older pictures you noticed that doubles mostly carried without sling, mostly grip round the barrel and butt end headed backwards. Like shotguns in UK.

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Igorrock]
      #233091 - 29/07/13 05:37 AM



Igor

are you talking slings or sling swivels ?


Slings - don't know many who use slings on guns,
they might carry them in a pack which is always
a good thing to do.


Sling Swivels
Fitted to most English doubles.

And I just did a quick search on Drakes web site
and also gunsinternational, every Holland gun has
sling swivels attached, from BP Doubles onwards.


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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233093 - 29/07/13 06:03 AM

OK, so I´m confused in this case. But for me is quite odd idea to attach those swivels for sling if nobody do not carry double with it. Maybe those are placed just for the style...

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Igorrock]
      #233094 - 29/07/13 06:25 AM


Igor

Just from my perspective / what I have seen personally, on youtube, in DVD's.

I am not saying this is definitive but Europeans seem to
have slings on their rifles. Maybe it is because of how they hunt, be it going from stand to stand on a driven hunt
or carrying gear to a high stand or climbing hills.

I just did a quick google and youtube on European Hunters and most had slings on rifles. One even had a sling on a shotgun !!!

I don't hunt with a sling on my gun but I always carry one
in case I or someone has to carry another person out of the bush due to injury. It is hard to do without slinging a rifle.

Anyway, that is my take on it.


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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233095 - 29/07/13 06:27 AM



Two more things.

You can always take them off as I have done
in the past on a couple of occasions !!!


Also, the style of sling swivel has changed over the years.
In the past it was an "eye" and sling had to have hooks on
it. I noticed that most doubles seemed to have modern day swivels on them.


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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233096 - 29/07/13 07:24 AM

Igorrock

I never owned an English double rifle yet, pre-war or modern, that did not have sling swivels, and I have owned and still do own many of them!

And... if I ever bought one that did not have sling swivels fitted, I would have them fitted immediately. They are a must!

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Nordmann]
      #233099 - 29/07/13 10:54 AM

I agree on the sling.
I use one on my doubles mostly because elk hunting
here in Colorado is mostly quite an up and down proposition and,
being a less than perfect physical specimen, I often need
both hands to negotiate the steep uphill climbs.

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Huvius]
      #233102 - 29/07/13 01:56 PM

I understand sling with a double (mostly o&u) when hunting in europe. In Finland and Germany they use to have sling even with shotgun (I do not) but sling with big caliber s&s shotgun in Africa, that I do not understand.

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Igorrock]
      #233103 - 29/07/13 02:06 PM


I don't understand the difference.

Europe, Africa, Australia, USA, all the same
if someone once to sling it.

I prefer throwing it on my shoulder, however
have been times when I would have liked or
should have slung it.


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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233105 - 29/07/13 02:44 PM

Quote:

Europe, Africa, Australia, USA, all the same if someone once to sling it.



I think classic safari style hunting in Africa with PH and trackers differs from those others.

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Igorrock]
      #233108 - 29/07/13 05:58 PM

Classic style hunting when you had a gunbearer to carry your double all day may have been different. Carry your own all day and its all the same.

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Claydog]
      #233109 - 29/07/13 06:01 PM


Claydog

Bingo !

I think you hit it on the head.


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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: 500Nitro]
      #233111 - 29/07/13 06:43 PM

This guy had the right setup.

http://www.nrvoutdoors.com/TR/TRBIGSTICK.htm

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Nordmann]
      #234930 - 31/08/13 09:26 AM

A double in 30 Super flanged would sure be nice!

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/59/lid/1661

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Huvius]
      #234934 - 31/08/13 10:46 AM

I would bet it beats the price estimate.

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Re: Doubles At Auction: Outschar, Kal. .470 NE & .375 Flanget [Re: Nordmann]
      #235018 - 03/09/13 03:33 AM

I definitely agree on the wood. I much prefer straight grain, dark, with some modest streaking - about the kind of wood one sees on prewar Rigby bolt rifles. I have never been a fan of the burled or marblecake look, although I have a G&H bolt rifle in .338 and a few others that are marbled. If the wood is too "busy" it detracts from the rifle in my view, not to mention the strength issue.

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      #235037 - 03/09/13 02:33 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Europe, Africa, Australia, USA, all the same if someone once to sling it.



I think classic safari style hunting in Africa with PH and trackers differs from those others.




The reason some people say a DG rifle should not be fitted with sling studs is they say it should never be carried on a sling on one's back. My PH on one safari claimed, it should be in your hands when in DG country, and if not in DG country, his tracker is carrying the rifle. Not a DR, a plastic stocked .416 Rem Mag Rem 700. The luxury of a tracker/gun bearer.

But virtually all DR's have sling studs on them. All of mine do, from 1879 to probably arounf 1910, plus the new ones too.

I certainly use the slings. Some of these rifles are damned heavy when walking 20 kms.

The other reason for not having a sling on the rifle in Africa is claimed it is something that might get snagged on the thorn bushes and if hunting DG increase the risk.

But we all have thickets in Australia, Asia, North America, even Europe! I have pushed through some dense thickets while hunting boar in Italy (only with a camera that time). So thick I declined to climb back up the hill through them, but walked the long way home around the mountain.

Trackers in Africa often carry the rifle by the sling too.

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: NitroX]
      #235039 - 03/09/13 03:06 PM

Seems to be somewhat forgotten these days how much a correctly adjusted sling can steady a shot when wrapped around the front arm. Also there is plenty of situations it is good to have two hands free when climbing around.

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      #235042 - 03/09/13 03:10 PM

Quote:

Seems to be somewhat forgotten these days how much a correctly adjusted sling can steady a shot when wrapped around the front arm. Also there is plenty of situations it is good to have two hands free when climbing around.




In mountains, rough country and especially if needing to carry out game kilometres back to camp or the vehicle without having a dozen blackamatics to do it all for you!

Your first point is also so true for non-multi barrelled firearms.

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      #235046 - 03/09/13 03:29 PM


John

You forgot to add "if you need to carry out another person"
as well.

A sling can also be used as a tourniquet or to make a splint
if needed.


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      #235674 - 16/09/13 03:20 AM

a 577 BP with a second barrel set in 20 ga made by J.Haberda in Frauenberg
gunmaker of the House of Schwarzenberg




http://www.kieser-waffen.at/neues-gebrauchtes/
price on request, looks excellent so far


the chamber is probably for the 14,5x49R or 14,5x55R Dombrowsky-Heissig Hochwildpatrone, a little known cut down version of the 577 BPE

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      #236051 - 25/09/13 11:05 PM

Very special double: Halger-Waffen Hamburg 1938, cal .280 Halger









http://www.feine-jagdwaffen.de/Aktuelle-Angebote-Langwaffen/Doppelbuechsen

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      #236060 - 26/09/13 04:25 AM

with the big Zielacht in this days a very expensive rifle

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #236698 - 15/10/13 01:32 PM

Good tool for pro hunter; E.J.CHURCHILL cal. .500NE 3" Boxlock with Ejektor

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4371586

















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      #236701 - 15/10/13 04:02 PM


Is that Churchill a Webley ?

What do you reckon ?


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: 500Nitro]
      #236705 - 15/10/13 05:42 PM

Could be, this one looks in many ways very similar:

http://www.micksguns.com/images/army%20navy%20450%20express%201.jpg

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      #236822 - 17/10/13 04:22 PM

This one has been a very nice rifle:

Double rifle DANIEL FRASER, Edinburg/Scotland cal. 9,3x74R (was .303 British)

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4606049





















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      #236824 - 17/10/13 05:15 PM


That is a lovely Fraser.

Sold one here exactly the same.


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: 500Nitro]
      #236828 - 17/10/13 11:20 PM

I do not like how it has been sleeved.

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Igorrock]
      #236829 - 17/10/13 11:48 PM

Quote:

I do not like how it has been sleeved.





Are you talking about the "step down" in the barrels ?


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      #236830 - 18/10/13 12:33 AM

500Nitro...He obviously doesn't know what he is talking about!

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Nordmann]
      #236831 - 18/10/13 12:41 AM


Yes, I wanted to make sure before I pointed him
in the direction of a few other photos.

It catches a lot of people out.

IMHO, It looks better in the hands than in photos.


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: 500Nitro]
      #236838 - 18/10/13 04:02 AM

OK, I looked some other Fraser doubles in Internet and just couldn´t find any example of same solution with barrels. Of course, it is possible that this "stepped barrel" is original but IMO it doesn´t look so nice.

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Igorrock]
      #236840 - 18/10/13 05:24 AM

the wood is nice

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      #236841 - 18/10/13 06:21 AM


Ig

It looks nicer on some guns than other, not sure why.
Some "step downs" are or look bigger than they are.

But as said above, it looks better in the hands than
in photos.


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: 500Nitro]
      #236842 - 18/10/13 06:57 AM

I like the barrels on the Frasers.
Just like the breech end of the barrel on many of their falling blocks.
Also,it does make a convenient seam if one did decide to sleeve a Fraser to something else. Is this one sleeved or rebored?

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Huvius]
      #236845 - 18/10/13 07:19 AM


I think re bored.

Haven't seem a sleeved on but haven't seen that many.


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: 500Nitro]
      #238104 - 21/11/13 06:08 AM

Some nice doubles in auction in Sweden:

http://auctionet.com/sv/search/60-dubbelstudsare?company_id=12



http://auctionet.com/sv/107347-40-dubbel.../images#image_1



http://auctionet.com/sv/107467-41-dubbel.../images#image_4



http://auctionet.com/sv/71526-43-dubbels...ber-404-jeffery



http://auctionet.com/sv/103387-44-dubbel.../images#image_1



http://auctionet.com/sv/106262-45-dubbel.../images#image_1

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      #238208 - 22/11/13 08:51 PM

yes, interesting things

107347. (40) DUBBELSTUDSARE, tysk, Hammerless, fabrikat W. Hamacher, modell Strassburgerverschluss, kaliber 9,3x74R ?, tillv.nr 24586.
http://auctionet.com/sv/107347-40-dubbel.../images#image_1

















107467. (41) DUBBELSTUDSARE, österikisk, SBS Hammerles, fabrikat Ludwig Borovnik, kaliber 9,3x74R, tillv.nr 403886, se-nr SE1797062.
http://auctionet.com/sv/107467-41-dubbel.../images#image_4










71526. (43) DUBBELSTUDSARE, tysk, Side by Side hammerless, fabrikat Barella, kaliber .404 Jeffery.
http://auctionet.com/sv/71526-43-dubbels.../images#image_1











103387. (44) DUBBELSTUDSARE, tysk, SBS med hanar, kaliber .450BPE?, tillv.nr 21410, se-nr SE1786546.
http://auctionet.com/sv/103387-44-dubbel.../images#image_1










106262. (45) DUBBELSTUDSARE, tysk, Side by Side med hanar, fabrikat Sauer & Sohn, kaliber .450 BPE.
http://auctionet.com/sv/106262-45-dubbel.../images#image_1




















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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #238262 - 24/11/13 09:22 AM

Two coming up at Bonhams

A FINE .303 SIDELOCK EJECTOR RIFLE BY J. RIGBY & CO., NO. 16845
In its brass-mounted oak and leather case titled Marchioness of Londonderry
£12,000 - 16,000
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20806/lot/89/
A fine .303 sidelock ejector rifle by J. Rigby & Co., no. 16845
Optional ejector/non-ejector, treble-grip action with Rigby-Bissell patent rising third-bite, bolted automatic safe with stalking-latch, the fences relief-engraved with an acanthus-leaf motif, best bold foliate-scroll engraving, well-figured stock with pistolgrip and pistolgrip-cap and engraved chequered steel butt-plate, Rigby patent lever-latch forend, sling button and swivel, the Krupp Steel chopper-lump barrels with filecut sight-rib for 100 and 200 yards and ramp-mounted bead-foresight, the rib engraved Jn. Rigby & Co., 72 St. James's Street, London
Weight 8lb. 7oz., 14¼in. pull (14 1/8in. stock), 26in. barrels, London nitro proof
In its brass-mounted oak and leather case titled Marchioness of Londonderry
FOOTNOTES
The makers have kindly confirmed that this rifle was completed in 1904 for Viscount Castlereagh. Although the rifle is recorded as a non-ejector the makers can confirm that this rifle was almost certainly built as an ejector.

Provenance:
Charles Vane-Tempest-Stewart, 7th Marquess of Londonderry (1878 - 1949), Lord Steward until 1884 and Viscount Castlereagh between 1884 and 1915.
During the First World War he witnessed the horror of the Battle of the Somme and also took part in a number of the last cavalry charges for the British Army, of which his battalion, the Royal Horse Guards, unsurprisingly took heavy casualties.
He is best remembered for his tenure as Secretary of State for Air in the 1930's, where on multiple occasions visited Germany and met Hitler and his cabinet to discuss Germany's position in Europe. Hitler was an admirer of Viscount Castlereagh and famously confided in him his intended plans for both Czechoslovakia and Poland years in advance of the invasions.
He published many books, one of which 'Ourselves and Germany' was a reaction to the attacks he sustained from inside and outside of Westminster regarding his links with the Appeasement Policy towards Nazi Germany.
[image]http://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2013-11/01/8872707-3-3.jpg&width=640&height=480&halign=l0&valign=t0&autosizefit=0[/image]
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      #238263 - 24/11/13 09:23 AM

A FINE .303 BOXLOCK EJECTOR RIFLE BY WESTLEY RICHARDS, NO. 15686
In a Westley Richards brass-mounted oak and leather case
£10,000 - 15,000
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20806/lot/88/
A fine .303 boxlock ejector rifle by Westley Richards, no. 15686
Best foliate-scroll engraving, the underside engraved depicting an elephant, some hardening-colour, safety with stalking-latch, well-figured stock with chequered side-panels, pistolgrip with engraved colour-hardened pistolgrip-cap, cheek-piece, engraved heel-and-toe plates, sling-swivels, the Krupp Steel chopper-lump barrels engraved Westley Richards. 178 New Bond Street. London. For W. R. Special .303 Cartridge with open-sights for 100, 200 and 300 yards and engraved ramp-mounted bead-foresight
Weight 8lb. 14oz., 14 3/8in. stock, 28in. barrels, London nitro proof
In a Westley Richards brass-mounted oak and leather case
FOOTNOTES
The makers have kindly confirmed that the rifle was completed in 1899

Provenance:
Viscount Castlereagh
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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #238266 - 24/11/13 09:47 AM


Both very nice guns indeed.


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      #238292 - 25/11/13 03:19 PM

a August Schüler/Suhl double in 8x57IRS with Hercules action
changed from 8x57IR to 8x57IRS in Ferlach 1970
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      #238364 - 28/11/13 11:13 AM

That Rigby Sidelock 303 is sensational. If it the internal condition stacks-up - it would have to be a bargain at that lower price.

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      #238367 - 28/11/13 11:29 AM


I doubt it will go for the lower price.

TRUE Rigby's are chased down.


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      #238464 - 01/12/13 03:05 AM

Local auction house sells 11.12. older russian named side-by-side rifle with two set of damascus barrels:

=189&category[]=161&category[]=217&page=5]http://www.bukowskis.com/auctions/F169/2...=217&page=5

"Pinfired hunting rifle, walnut stock, two damascene double-barreled, one smooth and ribbed both cal 16. Signed J. Larderet. St.Petersburg, 1850s. Original wooden box with accessories, width 82.5 cm. Estimate EUR 6 000 - 8 000

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      #238480 - 01/12/13 07:40 AM

brilliant

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      #238485 - 01/12/13 10:39 AM

Not a great fan of pinfire but that is nice - especially with the shorter rifled barrels and the very early swivel locking system and the straight stock/finger rest

I was very interested in Mick's guns similar 10 bore but decided ti give it a miss

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      #242875 - 22/02/14 06:14 AM

from the upcoming Springer's /Vienna auction

https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/?link=market&filterArticles=1&filter_sale_type=4

double rifle‚ K. J. Homolka - Budejovice‚ Greener crossbolt‚ Anson & Deeley mit Seitenplatten
calibre: 7x72R, serial number: 9366, year of proof: 1930, barrel length: 23.5 inch, 3.80 kg / 8.38 lbs, automatic safety, double single set triggers, extractor(s), oil-finished stock with drop points, fore-end with Deeley latch, engraved steel buttplate with trap, stock length: 13.8 inch, Prince-of-Wales grip, sights: iron sights, Kahles Helia 27S2, German #7A, German claw mounts, Technical condition: 3

Masterly shaded shallow relief engraving of red deer left and boar as well as fox right, deeply carved scalloped sideclips, all surrounded by oakleaf and fir engraving, side bolsters, trigger guard with finger rest, gold inlaid maker's name, gold inlaid breech ends, gold inlaid twig in oakleaf carved top lever, gold inlaid initials "CS" above star, including 100 cartridges in their original packs.










more pics here
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/?link=market&sale_id=110859

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #242883 - 22/02/14 01:53 PM

That pinfire rig is very very nice.
Similar to my Mahillon.

Must remember to have Curl archive those photos.

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      #245022 - 04/04/14 04:56 PM

Merkel sidelook Bockdoppelbüchse in 9,3x74R with another barrel in 7x65R /16/70
number 25453 made around 1930 for Friedrich-Karl III., 5.Fürst zu Hohenlohe-Waldenburg
comes with two Zeiss zielsechs for both barrels with following serial numbers(66921 und 66922)













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      #245888 - 16/04/14 06:51 PM

Here is one small caliber double, Simson Suhl in caliber 222 Remington Magnum:











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      #245896 - 16/04/14 08:49 PM

Quote:

Here is one small caliber double, Simson Suhl in caliber 222 Remington Magnum:








I like but not the calibre, 5.6x50R would be better. So far the bidding is only E502.

Wonder what ammo it was regulated for?

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      #245906 - 17/04/14 01:24 AM

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5.6x50R would be better.


Yes, I think it´s even possible to re-chamfer barrels for that caliber.

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Igorrock]
      #247298 - 11/05/14 01:32 AM

Heinrich Barella/Berlin BPE double rifle
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4904692

as a 11,6 mm it would be for the german version of the 450BPE but its not clear if for the original 72 mm long case or the 60 or 65mm long case but with 62cm long barrels I dont believe its for the 3" brass.
























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Ernst Steigleder Berlin-Suhl
8x57IRS double rifle for sale at Widforss
https://auctionet.com/sv/153793-193-dubb.../images#image_2

























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Sauer&Sohn double rifle in 450 BPE
70 cm long barrel, serial number 154536
https://auctionet.com/sv/106262-194-dubb...kaliber-450-bpe


















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Suhl made double rifle without name in 450 BPE (?)
https://auctionet.com/sv/103387-195-dubb.../images#image_4
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another Sauer&Sohn in 450 BPE(?)
66cm long barrels serial number 38341
https://auctionet.com/sv/151292-196-dubb...-tillv-nr-38341



























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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #247312 - 11/05/14 08:34 AM

Lancaster - Very nice, many thanks for posting

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: TH44]
      #247314 - 11/05/14 09:37 AM

Simply artistry in wood & metal!
How could you not be impressed by these!
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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: 93x64mm]
      #247315 - 11/05/14 11:01 AM

Why do the Brit guns get the premium when theres things like these kickin' around! :O

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      #247324 - 11/05/14 06:12 PM

the very high prices are for the big Nitro Express only
I think there would be no difference between a Sauer&Sohn 450 BPE and a british 450 BPE beside of the fact that the british double rifle was maybe build in Belgium.
ok, you know how I mean it
the most valuable double rifles are the one made for indian maharajah's when money was absolutly no question. this were safe queens also the most time! the price of a double when made in the golden age will reflect to the price on the collector market today.
but there will allways be a big difference between a Nitro express double and a Blackpowder express double no matter how useful a BPE double rifle could be on most game.

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #247404 - 13/05/14 07:38 PM

a 500 BPE 3" by Springers Erben/Wien for Marie Therese von Österreich-Este, Queen of Bavaria 1913-1918
deliverd by Springers on 24.12.1887, probably a christmas present
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      #247834 - 24/05/14 09:35 PM

Holts auction Fine Modern & Antique Guns - June 2014



ale A0614 Lot 925

R. B. RODDA & CO.
A .500 (3IN.) NITRO (FOR BLACK POWDER) EXPRESS ROTARY-UNDERLEVER DOUBLE-BARRELLED HAMMER RIFLE, serial no. 18466,
28in. nitro reproved barrels (at Cordite 55 - 440 max), raised matt rib (some pitting) with open sights and two folding leaf sights for 50, 200 and 300 yards, bead fore-sight, the breech end engraved 'R.B. RODDA & CO. CALCUTTA', the tubes (some external pitting) engraved '500 3INCs. LOW PRESSURE CARTRIDGE', treble-grip action, Jones patent rotary-underlever, rebounding back-action locks, plain reblued finish overall, 14 1/4in. pistolgrip stock with pistolgrip-cap, sling eyes and including 7/8in. rubber recoil pad, fore-end with grip-catch release lever, weight 9lb. 10oz., in a canvas case

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Estimate £2,000-2,500


Sale A0614 Lot 934





EX SMALL ARMS SCHOOL CORPS WEAPONS COLLECTION
SAML. & C. SMITH
A .500/.450 (2 1/2IN.) ROTARY-UNDERLEVER DOUBLE-BARRELLED HAMMER RIFLE, CONVERTED BY G.E. LEWIS, serial no. 6622, ref. no. 0742,
converted from muzzle-loader, serial number on buttplate only, 26in. damascus barrels with Henry patent rifling, the tubes engraved '(HENRY'S PATENT) CONVERTED TO B.L. BY G.E. LEWIS. 32 & 33 LOWER LOVEDAY ST. BIRMINGHAM.', the undersides marked 'HENRY'S PATENT A&T NO.3 / 4', matt rib with bead fore-sight and three folding leaf sights with gold-inlaid centre-lines, sprung rotary underlever, carved percussion fences, non-rebounding locks with bolted faceted hammers, engraved with acanthus scrollwork and 'SAML. & C. SMITH. PRINCES ST. LONDON', retaining some original colour-hardening and finish, spurred triggerguard retaining its reference number identification tag from the Small Arms School Corps weapons collection, 14 1/4in. figured stock with blued steel buttplate with elongated top-strap engraved with the serial number, the right side of the stock with patch box with engraved hinged trap retaining much original colour-hardening and finish, sling eyes, the stock also with an escutcheon bearing the motto 'SPES MEA CHRISTUS' surmounted with a shield crested with a lion's head erased, complete with its Small Arms School Corps collection identification tag

Provenance: Research would indicate that the Coat of Arms, crest and motto were those used by Henry Corles Bingham (1810 - 1868) of Wartnaby Hall, Leicestershire.
Mr Bingham was a magistrate for the counties of Leicester, Derby and Nottinghamshire. He was admitted into the Institution of Civil Engineers in 1839, and was High Sheriff of Leicestershire in 1854.

We are greatly indebted to the College of Arms for their assistance in researching this information


Other Notes: The digits '3' and '4' coming after the 'A&T' mark are the use numbers of the Henry patent rifling record, indicating that these were the third and fourth barrels constructed by Adams & Tait (Birmingham barrel makers) under this patent

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Estimate £2,000-3,000
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...1&saletype=


Sale A0614 Lot 962




ALEX.R HENRY
A .500 (3 1/4IN.) BLACK POWDER EXPRESS ROTARY-UNDERLEVER DOUBLE-BARRELLED HAMMER RIFLE, serial no. 6453,
28in. fine damascus barrels, partially matted raised rib with open sights and folding leaf sight marked for 200 yards and with white metal inlaid sight lines, bead fore-sight, central section of rib engraved 'ALEXR. HENRY, EDINBURGH AND LONDON. MAKER TO THEIR ROYAL HIGHNESS' THE PRINCE OF WALES AND DUKE OF EDINBURGH', Henry patent rifling, patent no. 2802 of 15th November 1860, Adams & Tait use number 5766, long action with Jones patent rotary-underlever, carved percussion fences, rebounding back-action locks with bolted dolphin hammers, fine border and acanthus scroll engraving with some ropework bordering, retaining very slight traces of original colour-hardening, 14 3/8in. highly-figured pistolgrip stock with cheekpiece, engraved steel pistolgrip-cap (with trap), engraved sling eyes and engraved steel heel and toe plates, fore-end with grip-catch release lever, weight 8lb. 9oz., in its brass-cornered oak and leather case with serial numbered or calibre designated accessories and gold-tooled red leather trade label

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Estimate £5,000-7,000

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...4&saletype=


Sale A0614 Lot 964





WILKINSON & SON, LONDON
A 16-BORE PINFIRE DOUBLE-BARRELLED BIG-GAME RIFLE, serial no. 6213,
for 1863, with re-finished 26in. damascus barrels, broad flat top-rib with dove-tailed bead fore-sight and standing notch rear-sight with three additional folding leaves, scroll engraving to the rib-end at breech, border and scroll engraved round-bodied action with swing under-lever, border and scroll engraved back-action locks signed 'WILKINSON & SON', scroll engraved hammers with bolted safeties, fully scroll engraved long top-tang with ball end, walnut chequered full pistol-grip butt-stock, engraved iron grip-cap, raised tear-drop cheek-piece, iron heel-plate, chequered walnut splinter fore-end with swing catch marked 'WILKINSON'S LEVER FORE END REGISTERED 13th SEPTr 1860' and eyelets for sling

Other Notes: According to the Wilkinson records this rifle was completed for a Captain Fisher in June of 1863. It is believed that this is Capt, Edward Row Fisher, 4th Dragoon Guards who served in the Crimea, being present as a Lieutenant at the battles of Balaclava, Tchernaya and Sebastopol, being subsequently promoted to the rank of Captain in 1860

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Estimate £1,800-2,200

http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...3&saletype=

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #248536 - 06/06/14 06:34 AM

In 1977 I was working at the far western end of the Aleutian Islands in Alaska. Most likely I was one of the last in the country to get my subscription copy of Shotgun News! About 2/3rds the way back there was a small For Sale ad by John Jobson, Sports Afield magazine outdoor writer. Listed among the half dozen or so rifles was a Manton & Company, Calcutta & Delhi, double rifle in .405 Winchester.

On the next mail plane off the island (mail came and went twice a week, weather permitting) was my letter to him letting him know if the .405 Manton was still available I would like to purchase it. A couple of weeks later a letter from Mr. Jobson arrived. His letter informed me I was 2nd on the list of buyers, that he had a buyer coming to see him, the Sunday after I received his letter.

I phoned Mr. Jobson that Sunday afternoon (not always easy making calls from the Aleutian Islands back then). He told me the 1st option buyer was setting in his living room and had agreed to purchase the Manton double rifle and all of the ammunition. Missed that one I figured.

About 3 months later a letter from the buyer (I do not recall his name) reached me in the Aleutians and he was agreeable to sell me the Manton .405, if I still wanted it? His letter reached me 2 days before I was flying out to the lower-48 States. I called and we made a gentleman's agreement for my purchasing the double rifle.

I drove to the seller's home in El Centro, California. We went into his game room. Three Greater Kudu, a cape buffalo, and other assorted game heads adorned the walls. Lion, zebra and other rugs were upon the floor. In a built-in glass case on one wall were 8 Winchester .50-110 rifles! Another built-in wall display case had various bolt action rifles and shotguns. He has a Westley Richards Best Grade .450 in its case resting on a side table - a treat that was. On another side table was the Manton & Company .405 Winchester double rifle, apart in its case.

As the link below shall show, exquisite fine engraving, with an urn on each side and bottom of the action. Assuredly this had been a Maharajah's tiger rifle at one time. The seller asked if I'd like to fire it? Well yah...! He provided me with 2 Kynoch factory rounds, and I stepped outside of his house and fired 2 rounds into a stump next to his pasture. A splendid balanced and handling double rifle, my first.

He shared with me that he'd purchased the Manton double mainly for the large amount of factory .405 Winchester ammunition Mr. Jobson had to go with it! He said when he would go on safari to Africa he used a Winchester Model 1895 .405 WCF as his camp gun, for baboons. He went on safari to Africa several times. For his son's 16th birthday he took him on safari. He really didn't have a strong interest in the Manton, he had his Westley Richards .450 Best Grade for his double. I had 17+ boxes of factory Winchester .405 WCF ammunition of my own (I had a Winchester Model 1895 takedown), so his keeping all but 2 boxes of Kynoch ammunition was fine with me. We were both happy n' content.

I took the Manton .405 WCF back to Alaska with me, though wouldn't bring myself to take it afield in a river boat or on a 4-wheeler for hunting. Admittedly, back the, I was in a bit of awe with double rifles! In the early 1990's it was sold to a buyer in California, through a friend of mine, and away it went. For 17 years is rested in my gun safe, even taken to the range to be shot occasionally and was appreciated greatly...I just didn't use it, then my interests drifted into Mannlicher Schoenauer rifle/carbines.

Of all things, while browsing around on the internet a month ago, there was/is, listed a Manton & Company .405 WCF for sale! Upon opening up the web site, there was the splendid Manton & Company .405 WCF double rifle that I had been allowed to be a caretaker of for 17 years. What a treat to be to visit an old friend like this. If only it could share where it's been since the early 1990's.

Thank you for allowing a bit of reminiscing here.
Go here to view this splendid example of fine craftsmanship:
http://www.gunsinternational.com/BEAUTIFUL-MANTON-DOUBLE-RIFLE.cfm?gun_id=100443117


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: awanderingbear]
      #248537 - 06/06/14 07:35 AM

Great story !

Thank you very much for telling it here .

I wish you had shot a couple of Moose & stopped a Bear charge with it as well LoL !


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      #248539 - 06/06/14 08:55 AM

As far as the Holt's auction, there are several very nice rifles there, I may be tempted (as usual) but am away from that evening so it will have to be an internet bid, very easy to get carried away!

I certainly would like a conversion, they are particularly attractive to me with the percussion fences and higher hammers but the Heinrich Barella shown by Lancaster with its high enraved/shaped hammers and fences is certainly one of the best actions I have seen for a long time

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      #248541 - 06/06/14 09:11 AM

Thanks Sarg
In 1978 I was down from Alaska visiting a friend in Washington State. As we were visiting, he said a gunsmith he knew had a Marholdt Peterlongo .375 H&H scoped double rifle for sale. I was a bit skeptical as we often pulled pranks on one another and I thought he was setting me up for a joke? I said something to the effect of, "Oh sure..." I then asked about the rifle being a Marholdt Peterlongo? I knew there were cartridges that carried the name but was not familiar with them as a rifle maker? He said, "Let's give Elmer a call and you can ask him about the maker." "Elmer who?" I asked. "Elmer Keith." he replied. Now I knew he was pulling my leg. He then told me to go into the den and get the address book off his desk. Which I did. He opened the pages up to the K section and there was Elmer Keith's address and phone number listed!

He called and they talked like old friends, which I found out after the call he'd know Elmer for many years prior. After a few moments he handed me the phone and I had my first conversation with Elmer Keith! What a treat. Elmer told me the English, German and Austrian double rifles were the best ones to consider. He confirmed the Marholdt Peterlongo should be a quality rifle.

My friend and I then drove to the gun shop to look at the double rifle. Very nice it was. I handled it, went over it with my fledgling knowledge of double rifles - which was really limited. I told the gunsmith yes, I'd buy it, wait a moment while I go out to my old Ford stationwagon. I came back in with a double handful of cash, laid a pile out on the counter and told the gunsmith and my friend we need to count out the right amount - which was $3,800. I had been working in Alaska for 6 years, was single, and had some dough piled up. Oh the good old days!

The gunsmith let me know the .375 H&H double had been placed on consignment by Harry Baime(sp?) who was the western US representative for Weatherby firearms. That was my second double rifle, and last, a Marhold Peterlongo .375 H&H, claw mounted scope. It handled like a fine 20 ga. Same situation occurred as with the Manton mentioned above, it stayed tucked away in the safe in Alaska!

In the mid-1990's I found it a new home with a guide on Kodiak Island, Alaska. He was going to use it for hunting, as well as having and enjoying a fine quality double rifle...as I had.

You mention a bear charge. Much of my 27 plus years in Alaska was in the central regions of the State. A fair amount of time around King Salmon, Alaska - plenty of the coastal brown bears there. Could have shot one/several, but instead, would put the sights on them now and then, just never pulled the trigger! In my mind, I shot them... Had a time or two where had close (up to 25 ft close) encounters, but all went well - whew! Would rather watch and observe them, magnificent animals.

My personal hunting is for meat. Were a trophy moose standing there alongside of a nice plump 2-year old, I'd take the 2-year old. Makes for better, more tender eating when making moose pastrami! Also leaves the older bull to spread more mature seed amongst the cows!

With caribou, my first one harvested turned out to be the coveted 'double-shovel' rack...measuring 23" high and 19" wide! Folks, that is a small caribou rack, not one considered anywhere near a trophy size, except for it being a double-shovel. Nope, didn't know it was a double-shovel when took the slack out the trigger, the Mannlicher Schoenauer 6.5x54 carbine belching flame! Only noticed the small double-shovel when walked up to the downed 'bou. As I then told my hunting buddy, "I can shoot any caribou now." "What do you mean?" he asked. "I've harvested a double-shovel rack." It's the only caribou rack I kept from my years in Alaska.

As with each of us, our mileage will vary...

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: awanderingbear]
      #249441 - 25/06/14 05:03 AM

I just noticed that local auction house has sold quite interesting double rifle in their auction 14.12.2013:

http://www.hagelstam.fi/catalog/product/view/id/152143/s/kaksoisluodikko/?s=true

John Blanch & Son, London, percussion double rifle, caliber .500, nro 5459, damascus barrels, with case. Hammer price: 1400€



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      #250188 - 08/07/14 05:57 PM

Auktionshaus Zwack/Germany Sommerauktion 12.07.2014
http://online.auktion-zwack.de/ufItemInfo.aspx?a_id=78&i_id=27423&s_id=212

Doppelbüchse Joh. Springer Wien Cal. 6 x 52R + .22 Hornet, S/N: 7918 with additional 32/70 barrels




































an Alexander Henry double Cal. .450/400, S/N: AH6882
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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #250204 - 09/07/14 02:58 AM

Do you suppose the hammers were modified to more easily clear the scope? They certainly don't have a flowing form you would expect from Springer. Cocking the offside hammer with your right hand doesn't look like it would be very ergonomic.

That Henry is sure nice and you don't see them in 450/400 very often.

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      #250205 - 09/07/14 03:42 AM



dont see such hammers before but it was not a bubba job

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #250208 - 09/07/14 05:31 AM

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dont see such hammers before but it was not a bubba job




they might be original - the form makes sense when a scope is mounted. I have never seen such either.

But then a lot of work has been done on that gun:
- brand-new Zeiss scope
- the Kahles scope might be from the 1970s
- rifle barrels might be quite new and sleeved, funny caliber combination 6x52R and .22 Hornet
- if one barrel really is 6x52R (the Bretschneider cartridge) then this was done quite recently http://www.bretschneider-waffen-munition.de/Geschichte/geschichte.html
- what about the other barrel pair, shotgun barrels 32 gauge? But why the rear sight?

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      #252591 - 24/08/14 01:06 PM

J&L.Wilkins & Co 577 Nitro Express

http://www.naturabuy.fr/577-Nitro-Express-item-1674653.html






















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      #256165 - 01/11/14 05:51 AM

IMO very nice Manton & Co., London, cal. .577 double:

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5168080













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      #256461 - 09/11/14 05:11 PM

Charles Lancaster 375 H&H
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5168118&PHPSESSID=73d63782d9b3dad7de7c8c6575378dd7















Schüler/Cöln 7x57R
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W.G. RAWBONE, CAPE TOWN
A 13-BORE x .700 PERCUSSION DOUBLE-BARRELLED CAPE-RIFLE, no visible serial number,
circa 1860, with heavy re-browned 32in. barrels, the flat top-rib signed 'W.G. RAWBONE, MAKER CAPE TOWN', dove-tailed nickel blade fore-sight, rear-sight with three folding leaves, engraved rib-end at breech inlet with a gold poincon amateurly initialled 'E.B.', nickel plugs, engraved top-tang, borderline and scroll engraved bar-action locks signed 'W.G. RAWBONE', walnut half-stock chequered at the wrist, iron furniture, two plain iron ramrod thimbles and period wood ramrod

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Estimate £700-900
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      #258411 - 31/12/14 12:02 AM

Holland&Holland double in .375 , SN 8135
http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/holland-holland-s-s-hane-dobbeltriffel-kaliber-375-h-h/i3672496/

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #258412 - 31/12/14 12:32 AM

I don't think it started life as a .375.
My guess is it originally was a 360 2.25" or maybe even a smaller chambering and was rebored/rechambered.
Those breeches look pretty thin for a 375 and the proportions of the action and trigger arrangement look like it could even have been a 300 Rook.

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Huvius]
      #258415 - 31/12/14 11:28 AM

The Rawbone Cape Rifle at £900 plus 30 per cent was a good buy for someone

If I had not got a similar but less good one I would have given it a punt

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: TH44]
      #258897 - 10/01/15 04:30 PM

percussion muzzle loader DR with very nice damascus barrels and "Krüppelschaft"
"H. ENGEL IN FRIEDBERG" offered in Czechia for 2000 euro
http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/112643-perkusni-dvojka-s-damaskovyni-hlavnemi/











"F. Jester in Innsbruck" for an unidentified 10,5mm blackpowder cartridge
http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/102312-historicky-kulovy-dvojak/







1425 euro

a 11,6x60R 450 BPE







http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/74311-kulovy-dvojak/

Ferlach made o/u double rifle in 11,6x60R 450
http://bazar.hunting-shop.cz/inzerat/44259-prodam-lancasterovou-kulovou-kozlici-ferlach/










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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #258946 - 12/01/15 05:57 AM

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Holland&Holland double in .375 , SN 8135
http://www.lauritz.com/en/auction/holland-holland-s-s-hane-dobbeltriffel-kaliber-375-h-h/i3672496/

the double is so slim I think it could only be the 375NE 2,5" Flanged





















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Auction was cancelled.
Now it is on Again but called a .450
http://www.lauritz.com/da/auktion/holland-holland-s-s-hane-dobbeltriffel-kaliber-450/i3675360/


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      #259740 - 31/01/15 10:59 PM

Peter Orr & Sons .470 NE from egun:

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5286120















I have one of their Belgian made shotguns and this rifle would be nice addition to my collection. Sadly too expensivefor me.


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      #262624 - 21/03/15 09:47 PM

Holland & Holland Mod. 2 / Cal. .375 Mag. Flanged
http://egun.de/market/list_items.php?mode=user&nick=wolf158saro



















































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      #265044 - 16/05/15 09:55 PM

Kuchenreuther, probably build for him in Ferlach?
9,3x64 double rifle http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5425367








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      #265508 - 25/05/15 01:45 PM

H&H in 500/450 3 1/4", made in 1935
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Holland-Holland-500-item-2205637.html





















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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #265512 - 25/05/15 03:16 PM

Nice 500/450 31/4".

Not 1935, early 1900's is my guess.

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      #266772 - 21/06/15 07:59 PM

Heym sidelock in 10,75x70R
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      #269554 - 23/08/15 11:16 PM

Doppelbüchse drilling
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5545136

2x.50-110WCF + 20-65?


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      #269601 - 25/08/15 04:31 AM

just safe the pics before you
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat....e=0&fpart=3

this is not the 50-110 Win Express but the honourable 12,7x60R 500 BPE
like the name is telling you made by cuting the 500 BPE case to 60 mm. there was a 65 mm long version too in germany and austria, done because the 76mm /3 " case was to powerfull for common european game.









late turned NDFS 50-110 brass, two original 12,7x60R cartridges by RWS and Roth, 500 BPE coiled case

I had to made once ammo for a belgian SXS combination gun in 12ga and "12,7x60R". after making a chamber cast I found it was the american 50-110 Winchester, no doubt about it. this was the time when only the late turned NDFS brass was available.

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      #272117 - 25/10/15 04:28 PM

J. NOWOTNY HOFBÜCHSENMACHER IN PRAG double rifle in 11x47R

http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_en/onlinekatalogeneu.html







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      #272302 - 29/10/15 05:38 AM

7x57R DR Springer's Erben Wien SN 10488 http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=5629369
comes with a Kahles Hela 4 S 1 scope










seller says its from famous hungarian count, big game hunter and author Zsigmond Széchenyi(1898-1967)













http://theodorhary.com/bwana-kelele-im-bahn-des-schneeweisen-elephanten/

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      #273311 - 15/11/15 09:39 PM

Manufrance 450 Nitro Ex. SN 18351 and datet by this in 1901
70 cm long barrels
http://www.naturabuy.fr/RECHERCHE-Expres...em-2825167.html























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      #273554 - 19/11/15 12:18 AM

DR in 9,3x82R Nimrod by M.Ogris Ferlach in 1904, new proof in 2008, Kahles 3-9x42 on claw mount
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5683044













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      #274100 - 27/11/15 12:15 AM

I love these weird caliber doubles.

Lancaster can you please post more muzzle loading doubles?

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      #274274 - 30/11/15 02:37 AM

very nice Nowotny/Prague double rifle in 8x60RS http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5657224



















































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      #274661 - 06/12/15 03:22 PM

MILLER & VAL. GREISS MUNCHEN 10,5x73R what is probably the good old 400 BPE 3" Purdey
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/42531374_a-breech-loading-double-barrelled-rifle-by-miller-and
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Description

dating: last quarter of the 19th Century
provenance: Bavaria
Round, rifled, blued barrels with rib, fore -and rear-sight, decorated with a golden ring at the back, cal. 10.5 x 73; tang finely engraved with floral motifs, with folding peep sight, engraved and blued; backward spring lock signed "MILLER & VOL. GREISS MUNCHEN" around the hammers (restored), featuring fine engravings depicting deers on a side and hounds fighting with a wild boar on the other; receiver with fawns and a deer protecting from a hound; butt and fore-end of fine briarwood, checkered neck and fore-end; horn lever and tail of the trigger guard; trigger guard engraved with the Bavarian crown surmounting the specular monogram of Prince R. Luitpold, engraved iron butt-plate; under the butt a shield with number "2".Luitpold Karl Joseph Wilhelm von Bayern (* 12 March 1821 Würzburg; � 12 December 1912 Munich). This beautiful piece was probably part of a gift received for his accession as monarch of Bavaria in 1886.

dimensions: length 100,5 cm."





















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      #275109 - 15/12/15 06:14 AM

beautyful pair of double rifles http://www.czernys.com/auctions_lot.php?lotto=715&asta=55&submit=+vai

16 mm pinfire must be a 28 ga or 24 ga by C. Berger in Tirnau( today Trnava in the Czech Republic)















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      #281964 - 06/05/16 01:41 PM

O.Geiger Berlin 8x57 IR, proably made by Merkel
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=5933297













































































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      #284448 - 25/06/16 06:00 AM

http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/d...p;currentpos=88

Doppelbüchse Sauer & Sohn - Suhl, 10,9 x40R, #38572,

66 cm Läufe flache guillochierte Schiene mit Standvisier und zusätzlichem Kimmenblatt, Puppenkopf, Auszieher, zarte Basküle mit Resten der Härtungsfarben, graviert mit von Laubarabesken umrahmten und dunkel schattierten Tierstücken von Hochwild links und Hunden mit Rehbock rechts, rückspringende Hasenohrhahnen, aufklappbarer und verstellbarer Diopter in der Scheibe, Doppelabzug beide als Rückstecher, Nussholzschaft mit zarter Backe,Halbpistolengriff, Originalschaftkappe 36 cm, en suite graviertes Schaftmagazin für 4 Kugelpatronen, Vorderschaft mit Deeley Schnäpper und Horneinsatz, 3,5 kg, aus dem Besitz der Prinzessin vonThurn und Taxis, BJ nach 1890, alter deutscher Schwarzpulverbeschuss, Zustand II-III.















http://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/b...p;currentpos=86

Bockdoppelbüchse Watson Bros. - London, .400/350 NE (.350 Rigby No. 2), #13651

70 cm Läufe mit Puppenkopf, flacher guillochierter Schiene, Expressvisier mit zwei zusätzlichen Kimmenblättern für 200 und 300 yds, Auszieher, ausgebogte Basküle mit verstärkter Muschelierung und Blitzschlossen, feinst graviert mit erhabenen Laubarabesken, Reste der Bunthärtung sichtbar, automatische Sicherung auf dem Kolbenhals, Doppelabzug, gerade gemaserter Nussholzschaft mit Halbpistolengriff und Silver's Gummischaftkappe, 38,5 cm, silbernes Schaftmonogrammplättchen mit Initialen "RL", schlanker Vorderschaft mit Hornabschluss und Deeley Schnäpper, SEM mit Kahles Helia 27S2, Abs. 4, Läufe mit altem deutschen Beschuss und erneuertem Londoner Nitrobeschuss für die .400/350 NE mit dem 310 grs Geschoss (baugleich mit der .350 Rigby No. 2, die aber 225 grs Geschosse verschiesst), Die Patrone ist in der Leistung ähnlich der 9,3x74R, aus deren Hülsen sich auch die englische Patrone umformen lässt. Bei der Waffe sind grosse Mengen bereits umgeformter Hülsen bzw. wiedergeladene Patronen, in originalem Lederkoffer des Herstellers mit restauriertem Herstelleretikett, führige Drückjagdwaffe des besonders für seine kleinkalibrigen Flinten bekannten renommierten Londoner Büchsenmachers, 4 kg (samt ZF), BJ zwischen 1905 -1929 entsprechend der Laufadresse, Zustand 2- 3.















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      #289609 - 30/10/16 04:56 PM

Christoph Funk in Suhl,11,5 x 52R and SN 15450
60 cm long barrls, crown+V proof from 1893 so made before bothe triggers made as set trigger
http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6161767













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      #289859 - 04/11/16 11:32 PM

Nowotny Hammer Double Rifle in 7x57R with shotgun replacement barrels 32/65
http://www.goluch.com/jagdausruestung/waffen/buechsen/novotny-doppelbuchse.html
Telescopic sight Kahles Helia 27, Abs. 8. Two triggers with single set action(both triggers)







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      #299642 - 26/04/17 04:37 AM

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail...le-rifle#detail


https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail...-375-win#detail

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/70/615/rigby-john-co-ltd-sxs-rifle-450#detail

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail...ifle-577#detail

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/70/615/rigby-john-co-ltd-sxs-rifle-450#detail

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail...engraved#detail

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      #302446 - 28/06/17 04:34 AM

Alexander Henry Edinburgh & London – Cal.450 http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=6457348#img













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      #302521 - 30/06/17 05:16 AM

F.Grasset/Paris was an interesting gunmaker, no doubt http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=147203&page=1&fpart=2&vc=1

a 11x59R Gras double rifle http://www.aiolfi.com/vente/vente-milita...ss-par-grasset/









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      #307291 - 05/11/17 11:38 PM

E.J.Churchill .450BPE, SN 1254

https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/h17/dubbelstudsare/4630_4










Sauer&Sohn, Model 35, cal. .45-90, SN 174644

https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/h17/dubbelstudsare/4655_1













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      #307317 - 06/11/17 10:31 AM

The Churchill is very nice, has everything you would want in a DR

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      #307941 - 19/11/17 05:04 AM

H&H Royal ‘THE ‘ROYAL’ PATENT SAFETY HAMMERLESS’ made in 1889
450/400 ‘CHARGE 4 DRAMS, CASE 31/4 INS’ with 8x57IRS barrels made by R. Henneberger/Münnerstadt in 1998
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      #308255 - 25/11/17 02:58 AM

thats a beauty!
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...768&image=6


















"ALEXR. HENRY
AN EXCEPTIONALLY RARE 20/.577 ALEXANDER HENRY BLACK POWDER EXPRESS ROTARY-UNDERLEVER DOUBLE HAMMER RIFLE, serial no. 6123,
28in. black powder only fine damascus barrels with Henry patent rifling, Adams & Tait no. 5046/7, partially file cut rib engraved 'ALEXR. HENRY. EDINBURGH AND LONDON', open sights with bone inlay sighting triangle and folding leaf sight with white metal inlaid sight line and marked for 200 yds, ramped bead fore-sight, treble-grip action with Jones patent rotary underlever, carved percussion fences, rebounding back-action locks with bolted dolphin hammers, fine border and acanthus scroll engraving, retaining traces of colour-hardening, 14 3/4in. figured pistolgrip stock with steel pistolgrip-cap, sling eyes and including 1 1/8in. rubber recoil pad, fore-end with grip-catch release lever, weight 10lb. 11oz., in its brass-cornered oak and leather case with some reloading equipment, including serial numbered bullet mould and plug

Provenance: The makers have kindly confirmed that the rifle was completed on the 28th January 1888 as a 2nd Quality rifle as part of a batch going to Manton & Co.

Other Notes: The 20/.577 cartridge was developed by Alexander Henry and the first rifle produced in this calibre was in 1883. Donald Dallas has undertaken extensive research for his new book 'Alexander Henry, Rifle Maker' and his studies of the Henry Dimensions Book makes reference to just 33 examples, both hammer and hammerless. "

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #308892 - 11/12/17 12:27 AM

Quote:

thats a beauty!
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...768&image=6


















"ALEXR. HENRY
AN EXCEPTIONALLY RARE 20/.577 ALEXANDER HENRY BLACK POWDER EXPRESS ROTARY-UNDERLEVER DOUBLE HAMMER RIFLE, serial no. 6123,
28in. black powder only fine damascus barrels with Henry patent rifling, Adams & Tait no. 5046/7, partially file cut rib engraved 'ALEXR. HENRY. EDINBURGH AND LONDON', open sights with bone inlay sighting triangle and folding leaf sight with white metal inlaid sight line and marked for 200 yds, ramped bead fore-sight, treble-grip action with Jones patent rotary underlever, carved percussion fences, rebounding back-action locks with bolted dolphin hammers, fine border and acanthus scroll engraving, retaining traces of colour-hardening, 14 3/4in. figured pistolgrip stock with steel pistolgrip-cap, sling eyes and including 1 1/8in. rubber recoil pad, fore-end with grip-catch release lever, weight 10lb. 11oz., in its brass-cornered oak and leather case with some reloading equipment, including serial numbered bullet mould and plug

Provenance: The makers have kindly confirmed that the rifle was completed on the 28th January 1888 as a 2nd Quality rifle as part of a batch going to Manton & Co.

Other Notes: The 20/.577 cartridge was developed by Alexander Henry and the first rifle produced in this calibre was in 1883. Donald Dallas has undertaken extensive research for his new book 'Alexander Henry, Rifle Maker' and his studies of the Henry Dimensions Book makes reference to just 33 examples, both hammer and hammerless. "


It's only a 2nd Quality Gun!!! What, pray tell, does a 1st Quality Gun look like???

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #309002 - 15/12/17 10:40 AM

It went for GBP8500 +30% commission = GBP11000 or $13500 + shipping

I would have still liked to have it!

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      #309123 - 18/12/17 07:22 AM

Yes it is beautiful as was the .500BPE hammerless Alex Henry in the same auction...

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      #312709 - 20/02/18 05:18 AM

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Yes it is beautiful as was the .500BPE hammerless Alex Henry in the same auction...




That luckily ended to my shelf, even the 20/577 was sadly not. Not enough G&T's prior the auction to feel wealthy enough to stay on the race


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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: Kapu]
      #312718 - 20/02/18 07:28 AM

The Sauer an Sohn M35 double - the action strongly resembles my Simson Suhl .405 WCF.
I have wanted a 45-90 double for a while, but this one looks expensive.
Especially since I can have plain rifle made for $4k or less.

CORRECTION - When I properly converted SEK to US$$, the rifle may not be overpriced if it is functionally sound.
How can I get an English translation of the description of the rifle and ask questions about it?

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      #312882 - 23/02/18 02:49 AM

To translate just open google translate (or another translator), paste the Swedish text in and choose the language. It won't translate everything but should translate enough to tell you most of what you want to know. My experience with Borg has been good on the quality of the firearms. The Swedes seem to take care of their stuff.

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      #312893 - 23/02/18 10:10 AM

McKinney,
Thank you for the suggestion, but a kind Swede has already sent a PM with the translation and he included the fact that it has been sold.

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      #313126 - 25/02/18 08:40 PM

.577 BPE double with additional 20/65 double gun barrel by J.Haberda/ Frauenberg , gunmaker of Prince Schwarzenberg
https://www.kieser-waffen.at/neues-gebrauchtes/







J. SPRINGER
A .450 (2 1/2IN.) BLACK POWDER EXPRESS ROTARY-UNDERLEVER DOUBLE HAMMER RIFLE, serial no. 667,
serial number on barrel lump only, 26in. black powder only barrels (Prague marks), matt rib with open sights and bead fore-sight, the left barrel engraved 'JOH. SPRINGER ERBEN IN WIEN', unsigned action with permanently-attached fore-end, dolls-head extension, carved percussion fences, unsigned rebounding back-action locks, top strap with folding peepsight, set front trigger, rear trigger with minor fracture, border and fine acanthus scroll engraving, retaining traces of colour-hardening, 13 3/4in. highly-figured pistolgrip stock with cheekpiece, horn pistolgrip-cap, sling swivels and steel buttplate, weight 6lb. 15oz.

Please click HERE to view Terms & Conditions.

Estimate £3,000-5,000
http://auctions.holtsauctioneers.com/asp...766&image=4















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      #315315 - 16/04/18 02:33 AM

https://www.walterborg.se/sv/auktion/auktion/v18/hagelgevar/4895_9
in auction as a husqvarna double gun in 16/65 but with another double rifle barrels in 15,2x76R ????

mabye 3" long 20 ga brass case?




"HAGELGEVÄR med dubbelstudsar pipset, Svenskt, fabrikat: Husqvarna, svs med hanar, kal. 16/65 + 15,2x76R(enl licens), tillvnr. saknas på båda, vapen ID: SE2116432 + SE2116442, piplängd 78 cm , Trångborrning ca 1/1+1/1 choke, damaskerade pipor, stålfärgad baskyl med hanar, träkolv med stålbakkappa, rembyglar, blanksliten/polerad, glapp, bruksslitage, ett extra dubbelstudsar pipset medföljer i kaliber 15,2x76R.."

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      #317209 - 11/06/18 01:43 AM

Waffenfabrik Steyr, Mod." Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand", Kal.: 8 x 57JRS,
https://www.dorotheum.com/en/auctions/cu...l?currentPage=2





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      #320010 - 24/09/18 02:03 AM

Westley Richards in 500 NE https://www.naturabuy.fr/Double-express-500-Nitro-collectionneur-chasseur-item-5096492.html











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      #320041 - 25/09/18 12:46 AM

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Waffenfabrik Steyr, Mod." Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand", Kal.: 8 x 57JRS,
https://www.dorotheum.com/en/auctions/cu...l?currentPage=2








Looks like a great fun hunting kit.
Sold for about $1000 USD?

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      #320072 - 26/09/18 12:44 AM

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Waffenfabrik Steyr, Mod." Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand", Kal.: 8 x 57JRS,
https://www.dorotheum.com/en/auctions/cu...l?currentPage=2








Looks like a great fun hunting kit.
Sold for about $1000 USD?




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      #328792 - 25/05/19 02:43 AM

Rigby 500BPE, http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=7489072#img
SN 14119












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      #333603 - 19/10/19 06:35 AM

30-30 double rifle by W.Förster/Berlin





Detail

62 cm barrels, stepped engine-turned rib, inscribed with maker‘s address, open sights with additional folding leaf, extractor, formerly colour hardened action, Anson & Deeley boxlock, Greener crossbolt, side clips, engraved with rose and scroll, disc-set strikers, automatic sliding tang safety, gold inlaid „Frei“ in front position, Double triggers with single set trigger in both blades, horn-trigger guard, grained walnut stock, lateral horn inlaid diamonds, pistol grip, fine chequering, chequered horn buttplate 38 cm, fore-end with Deeley latch, horn insert, blank silver stock oval, fix mounted Zeiss Diavari-C 1,5-4,5x18, reticule 11, year of manufacture 1928, late work of the famous purveyor to the court of the Kaiser Wilhelm II., condition 3.

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      #333604 - 19/10/19 06:41 AM

Maybe one day.....we can all dream - thanks Lancaster for your labour of love doing these!

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      #337044 - 26/01/20 12:16 AM

two typical belgian double rifles for the domestic market, most common claiber were 8x60R, 9x57R, 35 WCF and 401WCF
this are true belgian double rifles

Jules Bury 405 Win https://www.naturabuy.fr/express-juxtapo...em-5035727.html

























no name, 8x60RS,
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      #337071 - 26/01/20 09:57 AM

Very nice, complete with Swans Neck Stocks so favored by the Belgians and then as a consequence by the Americans.

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      #338828 - 09/03/20 01:43 AM

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sidelock S/S double rifle Claude Bouchet - Flamarens, France, .577 Tyrannosaur,
59 cm barrels, bored from a solid billet, not soldered from tubes (thus a REAL Monobloc), inscribed "Fait par Claude Bouchet a Flamarens .577 Tyrannosaur", adjustable express sights, extractor, bright action, full-coverage engraved, with chiselled shaded foliate scroll surrounded panels with fine Bulino engraving, African Elephant herd with Antelopes in front of Mount Kilimanjaro on the left, Black Rhinos, a Nile Crocodile and a Mane Lion on the right, Leopards on the action bottom, Cape Buffalo on tang, signed "Grave par Claude Bouchet 2000", on the right a side lever, pinless sidelocks with integral bridles, back-action locks, mechanical non-selective single trigger, blocked sears only allow the left tumbler to drop after the right lock has been engaged, thus the rifle is unable to double-fire, side bolsters, very sturdy walnut stock, fish-scale chequering, pistol grip with en-suite engraved steel cap, oval cheekpiece, chequered butt, 35 cm, trap for a wrench for disassembly of the locks, broad beavertail fore-end with push-rod type Anson, knurled and screwed in preventing involuntary becoming loose, in an oak and leather case with accessories and canvas cover as well as proof documents from the French proof house in St. Etienne, weight 10,5 kg, year of manufacture 2000, condition 1-2.
Claude Bouchet makes such truly unique pieces by hand taking more than three years time, the arm incorporates some individual inventions and innovations. The cartridge was invented by A-Square, originally for their Hannibal bolt action, and with more than 13000 Joule muzzle energy it is more than ample for all the Big Game animals still alive today. The rifle is regulated to a distance of 80 m with 750 grs bullet weight





















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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #338880 - 09/03/20 02:01 PM

How do you regulate such a barrel?

As for the engraving? Really quite awful. Matches the whole appearance of the rifle, squat and dumpy looking.

Look at the "cheeky" cape buffalo!

The elephants are all on the "bottom of the page" like a immature five year olds drawing.

The leopards? Thankfully the lion and rhinos are too small ... really so much more could be said about the engraving ...
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The concussion the recoil would give one, is the best thing about this rifle ....

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      #338889 - 09/03/20 09:54 PM

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How do you regulate such a barrel?

As for the engraving? Really quite awful. Matches the whole appearance of the rifle, squat and dumpy looking.

Look at the "cheeky" cape buffalo!

The elephants are all on the "bottom of the page" like a immature five year olds drawing.

The leopards? Thankfully the lion and rhinos are too small ... really so much more could be said about the engraving ...
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That buffalo looks like he's wearing a set of National Health dentures.

And yes, how would you regulate a set of monobloc barrels? That's a sincere question; I'm genuinely interested in finding this out.


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      #338891 - 09/03/20 10:35 PM

Oh well.....!

The Torx screw holding on the rear sight sets it off nicely!

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      #338892 - 09/03/20 10:45 PM

And while I'm in an "inquiring minds" sort of mood, this has baffled me for as long as I can remember:

Like many of us, I'm fascinated by the sight of a beautifully-fitted gun case. Felt-lined pockets for gun, barrels, second set of barrels, scope, tools and accessories, cartridges, canvas-clad or hand-tooled leather, perhaps with the ultimate touch, the owner's name on the cover. I can, and have, marvelled away probably hours of my life over the years gazing over pictures of such gorgeous pieces of workmanship (for I'll never be rich enough to afford to have any of my own.) Then one day, the question hit me like a wet flounder:

Where's the forend?

I can safely say I've looked at a hundred or more such cased rifles and shotguns, easily, and I've seen exactly ONE with the forend in evidence. I've gone back and looked at many, trying to spot a hidden compartment where the forend might be stowed, with no success. Many of them don't even have enough space evident for such a compartment.

So, you collectors of fine cased doubles, please let me in on the secret: Where's the forend?


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      #338893 - 09/03/20 10:48 PM

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Oh well.....!

The Torx screw holding on the rear sight sets it off nicely!




Torx fasteners and engraving (good or otherwise) do not mix!

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      #338902 - 10/03/20 06:20 AM

Only for your information, Mr. Claude Bouchet was absolutely not a gunsmith, he was a very good self taught machinist, passionate about very big bore double rifles.
His challenge was to make this pair of true monobloc barrels, that is to say, drawn from the same block of steel, and while I remember the tests carried out at the time (circa 1970) by Raymond Caranta the convergence was perfect.
We see that the man did not have a very large culture and little knowledge about classic rifle design and even if I am deeply sorry about the result I recognize his mechanical tour de force.
The system is also very specific, unrelated to anything that has been designed previously.
The adornment is hideous because it was done by beginners with a very small budget.
On the other hand, the wood and leather case is the work of the FAC (Fabrique d'Articles de Cuir), very serious people of great reputation who have equipped prestigious manufacturers.
Those who know me will understand that I cannot like this weapon but I pay tribute to the will, the ingenuity and the patience of its designer.

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Quote:

Only for your information, Mr. Claude Bouchet was absolutely not a gunsmith, he was a very good self taught machinist, passionate about very big bore double rifles.
His challenge was to make this pair of true monobloc barrels, that is to say, drawn from the same block of steel, and while I remember the tests carried out at the time (circa 1970) by Raymond Caranta the convergence was perfect.
We see that the man did not have a very large culture and little knowledge about classic rifle design and even if I am deeply sorry about the result I recognize his mechanical tour de force.
The system is also very specific, unrelated to anything that has been designed previously.
The adornment is hideous because it was done by beginners with a very small budget.
On the other hand, the wood and leather case is the work of the FAC (Fabrique d'Articles de Cuir), very serious people of great reputation who have equipped prestigious manufacturers.
Those who know me will understand that I cannot like this weapon but I pay tribute to the will, the ingenuity and the patience of its designer.

DORLEAC
www.dorleac-dorleac.com





That puts it in a very different light, and I heartily echo your sentiments. While the finished product is not to the standard we all expect in a professionally-made rifle, as a product of an amateur machinist with no previous gunsmithing training, I am in great admiration of M. Bouchet. We all have these dreams of a personal masterpiece, made to our own vision and nobody else's, but few of us ever realize them. M. Bouchet has overcome huge challenges and done just that, and I doubt that many with his level of experience could equal it, let alone do better. As fine piece of a gunmaker's art, it leaves much to be desired; as a first effort, it's incredible. Well done, that man!


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      #338919 - 10/03/20 04:32 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Only for your information, Mr. Claude Bouchet was absolutely not a gunsmith, he was a very good self taught machinist, passionate about very big bore double rifles.
His challenge was to make this pair of true monobloc barrels, that is to say, drawn from the same block of steel, and while I remember the tests carried out at the time (circa 1970) by Raymond Caranta the convergence was perfect.
We see that the man did not have a very large culture and little knowledge about classic rifle design and even if I am deeply sorry about the result I recognize his mechanical tour de force.
The system is also very specific, unrelated to anything that has been designed previously.
The adornment is hideous because it was done by beginners with a very small budget.
On the other hand, the wood and leather case is the work of the FAC (Fabrique d'Articles de Cuir), very serious people of great reputation who have equipped prestigious manufacturers.
Those who know me will understand that I cannot like this weapon but I pay tribute to the will, the ingenuity and the patience of its designer.

DORLEAC
www.dorleac-dorleac.com





That puts it in a very different light, and I heartily echo your sentiments. While the finished product is not to the standard we all expect in a professionally-made rifle, as a product of an amateur machinist with no previous gunsmithing training, I am in great admiration of M. Bouchet. We all have these dreams of a personal masterpiece, made to our own vision and nobody else's, but few of us ever realize them. M. Bouchet has overcome huge challenges and done just that, and I doubt that many with his level of experience could equal it, let alone do better. As fine piece of a gunmaker's art, it leaves much to be desired; as a first effort, it's incredible. Well done, that man!




vykkagur,

Very well said, and I agree with you totally.
It's not the prettiest double on the planet but it is indeed an engineering masterpiece.
Anyone who can machine the two barrels from one piece of steel, and get the convergence right, certainly has my respect.

And Mr Dorleac, thankyou Sir for your informative and highly valued details on this unique double rifle.


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      #338920 - 10/03/20 06:38 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Only for your information, Mr. Claude Bouchet was absolutely not a gunsmith, he was a very good self taught machinist, passionate about very big bore double rifles.
His challenge was to make this pair of true monobloc barrels, that is to say, drawn from the same block of steel, and while I remember the tests carried out at the time (circa 1970) by Raymond Caranta the convergence was perfect.
We see that the man did not have a very large culture and little knowledge about classic rifle design and even if I am deeply sorry about the result I recognize his mechanical tour de force.
The system is also very specific, unrelated to anything that has been designed previously.
The adornment is hideous because it was done by beginners with a very small budget.
On the other hand, the wood and leather case is the work of the FAC (Fabrique d'Articles de Cuir), very serious people of great reputation who have equipped prestigious manufacturers.
Those who know me will understand that I cannot like this weapon but I pay tribute to the will, the ingenuity and the patience of its designer.

DORLEAC
www.dorleac-dorleac.com





That puts it in a very different light, and I heartily echo your sentiments. While the finished product is not to the standard we all expect in a professionally-made rifle, as a product of an amateur machinist with no previous gunsmithing training, I am in great admiration of M. Bouchet. We all have these dreams of a personal masterpiece, made to our own vision and nobody else's, but few of us ever realize them. M. Bouchet has overcome huge challenges and done just that, and I doubt that many with his level of experience could equal it, let alone do better. As fine piece of a gunmaker's art, it leaves much to be desired; as a first effort, it's incredible. Well done, that man!




vykkagur,

Very well said, and I agree with you totally.
It's not the prettiest double on the planet but it is indeed an engineering masterpiece.
Anyone who can machine the two barrels from one piece of steel, and get the convergence right, certainly has my respect.

And Mr Dorleac, thankyou Sir for your informative and highly valued details on this unique double rifle.




I remember reading an article about this fellow, he made more than 1 didn’t he? Yes, they are huge and not the most attractive, but as Dorleac said, they are marvels still.

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      #338924 - 10/03/20 10:43 PM

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Where's the forend?




Usually on a SxS double it is re-attached to the barrels before casing, so that when looked at in the open case, the forend is not visible beneath the barrels.

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      #338927 - 10/03/20 11:38 PM

Quote:

Only for your information, Mr. Claude Bouchet was absolutely not a gunsmith, he was a very good self taught machinist, passionate about very big bore double rifles.
His challenge was to make this pair of true monobloc barrels, that is to say, drawn from the same block of steel, and while I remember the tests carried out at the time (circa 1970) by Raymond Caranta the convergence was perfect.
We see that the man did not have a very large culture and little knowledge about classic rifle design and even if I am deeply sorry about the result I recognize his mechanical tour de force.
The system is also very specific, unrelated to anything that has been designed previously.
The adornment is hideous because it was done by beginners with a very small budget.
On the other hand, the wood and leather case is the work of the FAC (Fabrique d'Articles de Cuir), very serious people of great reputation who have equipped prestigious manufacturers.
Those who know me will understand that I cannot like this weapon but I pay tribute to the will, the ingenuity and the patience of its designer.

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www.dorleac-dorleac.com




Thanks Joel for the informative comments on the background and making.

Quote:

His challenge was to make this pair of true monobloc barrels, that is to say, drawn from the same block of steel, and while I remember the tests carried out at the time (circa 1970) by Raymond Caranta the convergence was perfect.




I assume the tests were actual shooting tests. Then yes a amazing if it was able to shoot regulated groups. Well done to the maker on the engineering.

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      #338928 - 10/03/20 11:49 PM

The engraving.

Sometimes I wonder why people engrave their rifles at all. No engraving is far preferable to bad engraving. Minimal engraving is far preferable to bad engraving.

The animal engravings actually remind me of another sometime mush praised gun maker, not mentioned a lot on NE though, and the cartoonish animals engraved on his firearms and displayed on the internet in the past.

I think some scroll work looks fine. I would not want to carry a rifle or own a rifle with such "pictures". Give me plain sideplates any day in preference if not done properly.

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      #338935 - 11/03/20 01:42 AM

I think that Karl Lippard was making monobloc barrels for one iteration of Wilkes shotguns and rifles as well as his own. Not sure he is still with us though.

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      #338938 - 11/03/20 06:03 AM

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The engraving.

Sometimes I wonder why people engrave their rifles at all. No engraving is far preferable to bad engraving. Minimal engraving is far preferable to bad engraving.

The animal engravings actually remind me of another sometime mush praised gun maker, not mentioned a lot on NE though, and the cartoonish animals engraved on his firearms and displayed on the internet in the past.

I think some scroll work looks fine. I would not want to carry a rifle or own a rifle with such "pictures". Give me plain sideplates any day in preference if not done properly.





Putting aside the whole question of M. Bouchet's artwork for the moment, I have to say I agree with you on the subject of engraving firearms. I do appreciate the artistic skill that goes into fine engraving (on anything, let alone the convoluted surfaces of a firearm), but I too, very much prefer the clean lines of unadorned steel. Even if I ever became disgustingly wealthy enough to afford custom rifles made to my every whim (Are you listening, Universe? Still waiting...), I would forego the scrollwork and the hunting scenes in favour of a first-rate, deep bluing job. I just find engraved rifles too "busy" for my personal taste. To each his own, I suppose. That's why they still make Fords.


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The engraving.

Sometimes I wonder why people engrave their rifles at all. No engraving is far preferable to bad engraving. Minimal engraving is far preferable to bad engraving.

The animal engravings actually remind me of another sometime mush praised gun maker, not mentioned a lot on NE though, and the cartoonish animals engraved on his firearms and displayed on the internet in the past.

I think some scroll work looks fine. I would not want to carry a rifle or own a rifle with such "pictures". Give me plain sideplates any day in preference if not done properly.





Putting aside the whole question of M. Bouchet's artwork for the moment, I have to say I agree with you on the subject of engraving firearms. I do appreciate the artistic skill that goes into fine engraving (on anything, let alone the convoluted surfaces of a firearm), but I too, very much prefer the clean lines of unadorned steel. Even if I ever became disgustingly wealthy enough to afford custom rifles made to my every whim (Are you listening, Universe? Still waiting...), I would forego the scrollwork and the hunting scenes in favour of a first-rate, deep bluing job. I just find engraved rifles too "busy" for my personal taste. To each his own, I suppose. That's why they still make Fords.




I like engraving. Am too poor to afford it. Too rough to have good engraving on my using firearms. My comment was this rifle is so gross and ugly with that awful engaving, I would not own if given it for free and would be embarrassed to sell it. I would prefer plain metal locks to those abominations.

Moot point. Can't afford it anyway. My Spanish detachable sidelock shotgun does have nice engraving and I purchased it for $800. Machine engraved?

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: NitroX]
      #338948 - 11/03/20 01:16 PM

On the subject of the engraving - still on par if not better than the animals done on early English doubles... now where’s my spoon, ah yes, I used it to stir the pot

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      #338959 - 11/03/20 10:24 PM

Dorleac very pleased with your view on this gun.

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      #338992 - 13/03/20 03:05 AM

Very nice looking .405 WCF. Thank you for the pictures.

The .405 is a good cartridge for a double and for a lever action. I have both and they are both effective killers of large and dangerous game.

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #341091 - 14/05/20 07:14 PM

https://auctionet.com/en/1274236-620-dub...se-nr-se0200284

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      #341105 - 15/05/20 01:50 PM

dont forget the pics
to bad with the broken stock, need a new one if you wish to shoot it because 450 BPE will not accept this anymore
















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https://auctionet.com/en/1280193-621-dub.../images#image_3

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      #341115 - 15/05/20 11:25 PM

Nice looking 577. Too bad the auction is not in the US. I would bid on that rifle.

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      #342566 - 21/06/20 12:31 AM

Sauer&Sohn 450 BPE 3 1/4" https://egun.de/market/item.php?id=8767733



































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      #346250 - 28/10/20 07:42 AM

some doubles in the next Springer's auction

a very nice A. Fancotte in 475 No. 2
https://auctions.springer-vienna.com/de/...p;currentpos=39

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Rigby 8 bore double rifle

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Selous plates.

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      #353454 - 16/05/21 03:14 PM

Husqvarna mod. 37 in .500 BPE, SN 6658
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      #353486 - 17/05/21 07:19 AM

Marvellous pieces here Lancaster to say the least!

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      #353488 - 17/05/21 07:28 AM

Very interesting rifling.



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      #354314 - 13/06/21 03:57 PM

11,15x60R double rifle by "Louis Delp Hofbüchsenmacher Darmstadt" http://www.waffenhandelimspessart.de/ind...&Itemid=120

































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      #356899 - 19/09/21 07:03 PM

well, actually its an austrian made double rifle drilling
450/400 NE and 20/76 magnum shotgun barrel https://www.naturabuy.fr/Express-drilling-Autrichien-item-5794806.html


















6000 euro don't seem to much for this

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: lancaster]
      #356923 - 20/09/21 10:22 PM

Shame about the stock on that one, it's an interesting gun although I'd be more inclined to a 9.3x74R over 20ga.

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      #356929 - 21/09/21 09:04 AM

Not wrong about the stock, either the previous owner was extremely small or it got badly damaged somehow in times past. Still it would have been a far cheaper option to do than to remake a whole butt-stock. OK to hunt with still really.
Certainly overkill for the European continent with the 450/400, but would have been fantastic in Afrika to use.


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      #356930 - 21/09/21 09:48 AM

That 3" 20 bore lower barrel is certainly interesting.

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      #356932 - 21/09/21 02:32 PM

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Not wrong about the stock, either the previous owner was extremely small or it got badly damaged somehow in times past. Still it would have been a far cheaper option to do than to remake a whole butt-stock. OK to hunt with still really.
Certainly overkill for the European continent with the 450/400, but would have been fantastic in Afrika to use.




Nothing wrong with it, but it would have been bloody nice if it was original, or if they kept the original bit they cut off and put it back on.

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      #356933 - 21/09/21 02:45 PM

Interesting, as there is no butt plate. The wood's grain structure goes right to the edge.

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Re: Doubles At Auction [Re: DarylS]
      #356937 - 21/09/21 11:19 PM

Also interesting that the stock maker that added the butt section didn't refinsih the wood and try to blend the added piece with the original stock. Finished so dark, it makes the rework really stand out. Otherwise a nice looking gun. Agree a 9.3x74R would be a better option for Europe. Still a nice double rifle drilling, though expensive considering the stock.

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      #356944 - 22/09/21 04:30 AM

gentleman, you will find a double rifle drilling in 9,3x74R any day here

the 450/400 NE makes it so special

just take a look on egun, here is another ferlach made drilling with two barrel sets

9,3x74R + 9,3x74R + 20/6

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7x65R +20ga + 20ga( with hornet barrel insert)
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      #356950 - 22/09/21 07:25 AM

Wow that is one nice drilling & what a set of calibres to boot!

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      #356954 - 22/09/21 08:45 AM

Now that I would love to own.

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      #356957 - 22/09/21 01:13 PM

Pretty wild "checkering" on that stock!

Carries it off though. Very nice!

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      #356965 - 22/09/21 10:39 PM

See I would love that, put the hornet insert under the 9.3x74R barrels and it would be my perfect rifle.
I'd probably only use the 2nd set as shotgun only.

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      #356971 - 23/09/21 01:31 AM

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Selous plates.




Note how ALL the blades fold. According to Forsyth, writing in 1860 about muzzleloading dangerous game rifles, this lack of a standing blade rear sight, was for point blank shooting. The larger breeches gave the proper elevation for close (25yard, etc) shooting.

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      #356977 - 23/09/21 01:41 PM

thats new to me, allways wonder about this

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      #356979 - 23/09/21 07:50 PM

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Selous plates.




I have seen this rifle twice a long time ago!
First saw this photo in Richard Akehurst’s book “Sporting Guns” in the 1960s. According to Akehurst it was in the collection of a Frank Anderson.

50 years ago, about 1970, I saw it again in the Munich, Bavaria gunshop of Waffen – Krausser. Since then it has been cleaned up and restored. The Selous sideplates are period repairs of a split stock.


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      #363142 - 06/03/22 07:31 PM

belgian made double rifle for the 10,75 x52R, I think the Gründig cartrdige
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      #364877 - 25/04/22 04:42 AM

rigby double rifle in 450 NE https://www.lauritz.com/de/auktion/dobbeltriffel-s-s-j-rigby-kaliber-450-nitro-express/i6197719/

















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      #365074 - 30/04/22 05:07 AM

army& navy 500NE https://auctionet.com/de/2165442-double-...he-nr-gebraucht

































Meffert 11,15x60R SN 30678
https://auctionet.com/de/2205989-double-...he-nr-gebraucht






















unknown Sul maker for widforss in stockholm, 10,75x65R
https://auctionet.com/de/2034905-double-...he-nr-se0118784
































johann springer, 9,3x74R with extra 20 ga barrels
https://auctionet.com/de/2135319-double-...he-nr-se0250421

































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      #374816 - 05/03/23 04:41 AM

https://www.rockislandauction.com/riac-b...IST_EMAIL_ID%5D

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      #376579 - 07/05/23 10:26 PM

Behr waffenwerk in 8x57IR https://auctionet.com/de/2793760-dubbels.../images#image_1





















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      #376588 - 08/05/23 03:39 AM

Lancaster,

Thanks for posting. That is a very interesting rifle. Too bad that auction isn't in the US as i would be interested in owning it.

More abouy Behr, Burkard & Behr can be found here: https://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/behr-burkard-behrs-waffen-werke-of-bremen-suhl/

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      #377012 - 28/05/23 01:56 PM

WR Pape Newcastle on Tyne, cal. .450 Express with 70 cm long barrels
https://auctionet.com/de/2734825-double-...ber-450-express















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      #377027 - 29/05/23 12:46 PM

Wow! Huge side-clips.
Marvelous example of a .450 Express. Would like to see what's on the barrel flats.
Possible replacement fore-end? Different style of scroll engraving on the fore-end iron is noticeable, plus the repair? Checkering is a bit rough around the edges perhaps?

Weird English translation doesn't help!

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