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James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle
      #180441 - 01/05/11 10:55 PM



Let me share with the membership my most recent find. This is a James Purdey & Sons .303 double completed in 1897. As you will see, it's a reinforced hammerless action with Beesley locks, side clips, third fastener, and Jones underlever. Many would say this results in practically the strongest action that can be had.

Of course, with Beesley locks this is a "self-opening" action. It's also spring loaded on closing, and thus a "snap action."

The barrels are rifled with Metford style rifling having a left-hand twist. The bores show a little frosting but no erosion, and the rifle is accurate and well regulated with the 215 grain Woodleighs.

The rifle is perfectly balanced. It's alive in the hands and a delight to shoot, having practically no recoil. You can sense its handling properties when looking at the photos. I know this will be a fine companion in the deer woods this fall.

















































Purdeys was most kind to send me not only a letter detailing the history of this rifle but also a scan of the build specifications in their books. The old writing is a bit difficult to read, and the gunmakers of the time used a sort of "code" for some specifications.

Fortunately I am blessed with the friendship of David Trevallion, the well known stocker who apprenticed with Purdeys and worked there for quite a while before immigrating to the U.S. I sent him a full resolution scan of the specification sheet, and together we "de-cyphered" the entries.

An obvious error is the statement, ".303 Hammerless Back Action Ejector." Even my untrained eye could see this mistake. It is a hammerless action, but it neither has back action locks nor does it have ejectors. I asked Trevallion what the sheet entry for "Action" is. He responded, "Beesley", which it surely is. I don't know where on the specs the word, "ejector" was conjured up. So the letter should read, ".303 Hammerless Beesley Action Extractor." Otherwise the letter is accurate.






I asked David to explain the entry under "Bend", for I had no idea what I was looking at. He chuckled and said, "2 1/8 1/16 Bare." I asked, "What in the heck is that?" He said, "You must understand how these old stockers took their measurements. This would be 2 1/8 inches plus one-sixteenth inch, but just not quite, so the statement 'Bare'." I said, "You mean that's the same as just shy of 2 3/16"? He said, "Yes, exactly." So naturally I asked, "Why wouldn't the entry be 2 3/16" Bare?" He responded, "That's just not the way they would read a rule." You will see similar entries with similar measuring technique elsewhere on the specification sheet. Interesting to say the least.

Another detail: The entries for "Cast Off" and "Bend" are taken at three points. For cast off the measurements are taken at "F" for "face" or middle of the cheekpiece, "B" for "bump" or the rounded part of the butt near the top, and "T" for "toe" of the butt. Likewise "Length" measurements are taken at "B" for bump, "M" for middle, and "T" for toe.

The measurement for "Balance" is the balance point measured from the face of the breech, and for "Fr. Trigger" is the distance from the front trigger to the balance point. Yes these Purdey craftsmen were intent on proper fit and balance!






Please enjoy looking. I am fortunate to be the custodian of this piece of art. We can only revere and care for these time travelers for the short while we traverse this Earth. They were born before we were born and they will outlive us for generations.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #180445 - 01/05/11 11:18 PM

Wow!!
What a great addition. I have always liked the UL Purdeys and this one looks like a pip!
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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: Huvius]
      #180447 - 02/05/11 12:18 AM

Very nice!!!!

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: Huvius]
      #180450 - 02/05/11 12:38 AM

You must live a clean life to be blessed with so many wonderfull treasures.

I've never seen a Beesley action with an underlever. I assumed the Beesley action came along after the use of the Scott spindle/toplever came into fasion and everyone abandoned the underlever. Must be quite a rare bird.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: baileybradshaw]
      #180451 - 02/05/11 01:04 AM

yeah WOW. Love the butt- surprisingly good shape too. Good FIND!

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: DarylS]
      #180470 - 02/05/11 03:44 AM

Curl

Wow! That is a signularly beautiful piece of craftsmanship and history. Can only imgine where its been and what its done.

Is that the rifle you mentioned picking up at the Vintagers last year?

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: Orvar]
      #180479 - 02/05/11 06:26 AM

I keep drooling! Those side clips are so classy!

Shoot her yet? Working up a load?


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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: Orvar]
      #180480 - 02/05/11 06:42 AM

Just beautiful, let us know what ammo she works with, envious, best, Mike

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #180484 - 02/05/11 07:31 AM

Roscoe,

That is indeed a beautiful rifle! I look forward to getting together and doing some shooting in the future.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: Watson577]
      #180487 - 02/05/11 08:11 AM

Oh my! Stunning!

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #180508 - 02/05/11 11:48 AM

Very nice !!!!!!

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: bwanabobftw]
      #180513 - 02/05/11 12:34 PM

I don't know squat about double rifles, but to me, that rifle is just plain gorgeous.
I've always thought a 303 in a double rifle would be a nice combination.

Thank-you for sharing your photos.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #180520 - 02/05/11 02:29 PM

Hi Curl,

You are a very fortunate SOB, I am sure that you are one of the most fortunate people on this earth to be in a position to behold such wonderous "Toys" in your collection, a person who can keep them safe until the next generation is ready to carry on your tradition.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #180532 - 02/05/11 03:27 PM

I wouldnt spend much time on measurements,those old gun makers got em right every time no matter how they wrote em up!

Best 303 I have ever seen.


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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: gryphon]
      #180545 - 02/05/11 07:03 PM

An incredibly beautiful rifle.Many thanks for sharing.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: gryphon]
      #180546 - 02/05/11 07:20 PM

I am slappedjawed..The finest double in .303 I have ever seen on the net.

Many congratulations and compliments.


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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: rigbymauser]
      #180665 - 04/05/11 12:52 AM

Thanks to everyone for your kind compliments and comments.

Yes I have been working out loads for this rifle. I'm using the 215 grain Woodleigh bullets and basically duplicating the original load at about 2050 fps. Latest effort was using IMR4895 in accordance with data published in my very old Lyman manual. The load seems just about right. I don't have it in front of me just now so can't quote it. More detail will come in a later post.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #180695 - 04/05/11 07:48 AM

Do you know who Welisher was?

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: simonsaorsa]
      #180699 - 04/05/11 08:19 AM

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Do you know who Welisher was?




No I don't, but he was one fortunate SOB to have this rifle straight from Purdeys. I can only imagine. . .

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #180730 - 04/05/11 06:47 PM

Very nice! Congrats Curl.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #180731 - 04/05/11 06:48 PM

G'day CaptCurl,
when I looked at the pictures of your 303 today you could have knocked me over with a feather!! Yes because its a beautiful rifle, but mainly due to the fact that a Purdey with this lock/underlever arrangement is rare and but even harder for me to believe that I only arrived home last night from a 5 day drive with the brother of your rifle in the back of my car and they are only a few numbers apart.
Alas I do not own it and in a few weeks its owner will come and pick it up. He is a good mate so will ask if its O.K with him to post a fews pics.
It will never cease to amaze me how these things happen. I had never seen a Purdey like these before and now 2 turn up in such a short space of time.
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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: underlever]
      #180750 - 04/05/11 09:50 PM

Interesting! Did you do much shooting? Photos would be welcome.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #180768 - 05/05/11 01:27 AM

Curl, Thanks for sharing - we all get to enjoy this together and, I for one, now have a bit more knowledge and understanding of these works of art. Christopher

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: crkennedy1]
      #180776 - 05/05/11 03:25 AM

As there is no record of a Sir Richard Welisher, or Welesher, and those surnames are practically unknown, I think it is much more likely the correct reading is Sir Richard Webster QC, 1st Viscount Alverstone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Webster,_1st_Viscount_Alverstone

You could have a handwriting expert examine the copy if you want confirmation.

The medallion on the case appears to have been scraped or photoshopped so if the latter perhaps the arms engraved thereon, if any, will confirm.

I don't have Who's Who that year, but I think you'll find there is no Sir Richard Welisher.

The 't' in Webster is not crossed and the line from the 'b' to the 's' is brought too low instead of being carried across and that fits the very flat style of the writer. This is what caused the confusion I think.

Sir Richard Webster appears to have been quite a sporting gent, and he certainly had the means to order a rifle of this kind.

A bit more research of his comings and goings in the UK shipping records and you may find he went on a safari or two. Or he may have been more of a Highlands deer stalker. Should be easy to find out.

Just as a matter of curiousity, what would have caused that mark around the left hand firing pin hole?

A thing of joy and beauty forever!

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: Old_Glass]
      #180799 - 05/05/11 10:38 AM



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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #180807 - 05/05/11 11:59 AM

I believe you're right, it's Webster.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: Old_Glass]
      #180810 - 05/05/11 12:06 PM



"Just as a matter of curiousity, what would have caused that mark around the left hand firing pin hole?"

The mark around the firing pin hole is caused by gas cutting from a ruptured cartridge case. This is referenced in Wal Winfer's book on Jeffery single shot rifles. I had a Manton 450/400 that showed the same cutting.


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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #180963 - 07/05/11 03:23 AM

Curl,

Yep, you're certainly living right or have a horseshoe hidden in your seat or both. That is a dandy of a .303 and the records that you have of the gun are that cherry on top. If memory serves me right aren't you in possession of quite a few very nice .303s? Thank you for sharing and congratulations once again on your very special find.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: Buchsemann]
      #180976 - 07/05/11 10:29 AM

Only three .303 doubles. The Purdey, a Westley Richards, adn a Webley & Scott.

It's hard to walk away from a nice .303 double. What's not to like?

Thanks for your kind comments. I'm sorry we didn't meet up at the Vintagers. You could have handled this piece as I squirrelled it away in my vehicle.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #180981 - 07/05/11 12:38 PM

Curl,

So it's a few but not "quite a few", still a beautiful trio of .303s. It's very good fortune nevertheless for not only you but for all of us that appreciate the craftsmanship and beauty of fine double rifles. I had hoped that we would have been able to chat a bit (at the Vintagers) but I found myself spending quite a bit of time at the stopping and stalking rifle competitions, a fair amount of time walking around with Dietrich Apel of the GGCA, just walking around in general, and visiting with fellow "Wisconsinite" Mike Schwandt of Schwandt Classic Arms. Mike always seems to have a good number of quality double rifles and as I'm guessing you already know he is quite the gentleman. Anyway, perhaps when you have some time I think a photo of your trio would be a nice touch for the NE bunch. The sharing of such artwork is always appreciated a great deal.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: Buchsemann]
      #180982 - 07/05/11 12:45 PM


Very nice indeed.

I had for a short time an indentical gun.


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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: 500Nitro]
      #181101 - 08/05/11 09:18 PM

I was asked earlier about loading for the .303. I have an old Lyman manual from about 1967. It's the first loading manual I ever bought and the one I used when learning to load. I still use it, along with others. It has great information about some of the older rounds, such as the .303 Brit, including loading data for the 215 grain bullet. Here's a scan of the .303 page some of you may find helpful:



The last load I was using is 38.5 grains of IMR4895, Woodleigh 215, Fed 200, Remington brass, OAL 3.075". This is a mild and accurate load that seems to approximate original ballistics of the 215 grain loading.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #181105 - 08/05/11 09:49 PM

Quote:

Anyway, perhaps when you have some time I think a photo of your trio would be a nice touch for the NE bunch. The sharing of such artwork is always appreciated a great deal.




The Purdey is the subject of this thread and featured in photos above.

The Westley Richards is featured on this thread.

The Webley & Scott is featured at this page.

Maybe I'll get ambitious and photograph them together, kinda like my "Henry! Henry!" thread of a while back.

Again, thanks for the interest and kindness.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #181116 - 09/05/11 12:13 AM

Curl,

Thank you for the refresher. The treatment of the top rib (express sights, engraving, and the "ghost" sight) on the Westley blew me away the first time and did again this morning.

Also, thanks for reminding me about the Lymann reloading manual. I have that same manual and had forgotten about its noting factory duplication loads.

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #181267 - 11/05/11 09:03 AM

Curly, Curly, that is one sweet piece of kit!!

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #181604 - 15/05/11 01:23 AM

Really nice find Curl!



Now let's see some furry targets...





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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: tinker]
      #182190 - 22/05/11 10:27 PM

G'day Curl,
finally got around to taking a few pics of the Purdey double that is not many numbers off yours. It was made in 1896 as a 303 and is now a 7x65R . These new chopper lump barrels were fitted by Westley Richards and although it hasn't been checked out yet, I don't think this occurred many years back. Bores and finish is as new. A zeiss variable scope in QD mounts is part of the new set up. We have speculated as to what happened to the 303 barrels to cause the fitting of the new and expensive, set. As the rest of the rifle is in such good, almost new condition, corrosive ammo and poor cleaning may be to blame. Or it could be the new owner just didn't like the old 303 and loved the 7 mm. A few enquires to WR will hopefully find the answer.
Although the present owner did part with a good wad of money to gain possession of this beauty, I still think he got a bargain. I have a feeling the pure collectors turned up their noses at it because of the new barrels. A rifle of mixed heritage does not appeal to high end buyers that gather for investment only. The new owner is not a collector but an average bloke who had dreamed of one day owning and hunting with a classic Best double. He cleaned out the gun safe and waited and watched. To him a double that is the combined effort of Purdey and WR is not too big of a burden to carry.

Does it shoot? Well regulation has not been checked yet but last weekend He rolled 6 pigs with 7 shots. All were shot on the run in either sun flowers or shoulder high grass and the comment was that it handled wonderfully. That didn't really surprise me.

Regards,
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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: underlever]
      #182192 - 23/05/11 12:14 AM



"... not too big of a burden to carry..."


Indeed!!



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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: tinker]
      #182232 - 23/05/11 10:03 AM

Lovely!

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Re: James Purdey and Sons .303 Double Rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #227616 - 27/03/13 12:17 PM

As far as man can go, perfect...

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