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A PAIR OF HENRY ATKIN LTD (FROM PURDEY'S) .450 / 400 (3IN) NITRO EXPRESS DOUBLE RIFLE BARRELS, serial no. 3065, for an ejector rifle, 26in. with matt sight rib and doll's-head extension, leaf sights and ramp-mounted bead foresight, sight rib engraved 'HENRY ATKIN LTD (FROM PURDEY'S) 88 JERMYN ST. LONDON. S.W.', the sunken rib engraved '450 / 400. 3" CASE. CHARGE. CORDITE 60 GRS. BULLET 400 GRS

I got a line on a atkin SLE shotgun with blown barrels so i had the idea that it would be the best way for me to have a atkin rifle in a nice little caliber

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Hi Peter

-If you can make a nice gun with those barrels let me know if you then wish to sell it!

Surely a 20b action of some kind or am i lost again? Also.....a knackered 450 bpe action isnt ok or is it or? Know where there is one I think.......

Ben

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I think the only way to put those barrels back in service would be to have an action custom made for them. It simply would be an incredible coincidence to find an action to which they would just mate up.

You are fretting over what gauge to seek out, but the critical dimension for first consideration is the spacing between the firing pins. This must precisely match the distance between the centers of the bores on your barrels. Start your search there, and maybe you'll get lucky.

Good luck,
Curl

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thanks curl

i never hoped for the barrels to mate up to any action, thats where the hand fitting comes into play, but i dont think finding a action will be that hard since although these were hand made there were some standards in the buisness concerning action forgings and caliber size and spaceing between firing pins.

the gauge thing is more a commen denominator between wich actions were used most frequently and the 12 was it in england in most cases

im having the extra frazer barrels that i got with the alex henry fitted to another action(12 gauge underlever exposed hammers) as we speak and it took 2 days of searching to find a nice donor, should be done in about 3 months time.

so if you find an extra set of barrels, dont sweat it go out and find the action that fits and have yourself another dbl rifle.

peter

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im having the extra frazer barrels that i got with the alex henry fitted to another action(12 gauge underlever exposed hammers) as we speak and it took 2 days of searching to find a nice donor, should be done in about 3 months time.

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Peter,

I'm confused. So you purchased two(2) sets of double rifle barrels in the same lot ie a set of Fraser barrels and a set of Henry Atkin barrels?

The Atkin barrels are in .450/.400 3". Are the Fraser barrels the same chambering?

Hope it all works out. Sounds like it may be a cheaper way to build a double rifle out of a shotgun than building double rifle barrels to add to a shotgun. Instead add the existing barrels! I don't know the technicalities involved at all however.

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im having the extra frazer barrels that i got with the alex henry fitted to another action(12 gauge underlever exposed hammers) as we speak and it took 2 days of searching to find a nice donor, should be done in about 3 months time.

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Peter,

I'm confused. So you purchased two(2) sets of double rifle barrels in the same lot ie a set of Fraser barrels and a set of Henry Atkin barrels?

The Atkin barrels are in .450/.400 3". Are the Fraser barrels the same chambering?

Hope it all works out. Sounds like it may be a cheaper way to build a double rifle out of a shotgun than building double rifle barrels to add to a shotgun. Instead add the existing barrels! I don't know the technicalities involved at all however.

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john

no this time i just bought the set of atkin barrels, but when i bought the alex henry there was 2 barrel sets with it, the 20x577 and a set of 450/400 3.25 made by danl frazer, i just for the fun of it had the frazer barrels with me when i went to a gundealer friend of mine.
so we rummaged through all of his hammer underlever guns untill we found something that would be a desent match(had to have a dolls head cutout) luckely we found one so now it is off to the gunsmith for the final handfitting. he actually had a frazer shotgun but without the dolls head and it would have been a crime to cut it just to have a dbl rifle.

so ken duglan is in the states at the moment and will be back in 2 weeks i will ask him then wich action would have been used for the atkin barrels, and then do a search for a action, i talked to the gunsmith yesterday and he told me that it really dident matter wich extension it has as long as the underlugs are close he could reshape or remake the extension to fit what ever i came along with .
so im looking at the atkin SLE again. i would love an atkin SLE dbl rifle but dont think i will be abel to afford it any other way.

finding a set of barrels in good condition is a good way to have that dbl rifle you othervice couldent afford .

peter

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A PAIR OF HENRY ATKIN LTD (FROM PURDEY'S) .450 / 400 (3IN) NITRO EXPRESS DOUBLE RIFLE BARRELS, serial no. 3065, for an ejector rifle, 26in. with matt sight rib and doll's-head extension, leaf sights and ramp-mounted bead foresight, sight rib engraved 'HENRY ATKIN LTD (FROM PURDEY'S) 88 JERMYN ST. LONDON. S.W.', the sunken rib engraved '450 / 400. 3" CASE. CHARGE. CORDITE 60 GRS. BULLET 400 GRS

I got a line on a atkin SLE shotgun with blown barrels so i had the idea that it would be the best way for me to have a atkin rifle in a nice little caliber

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Peter:

Yes, it would be nice to find an action to fit those barrels to. Having new double rifle barrels made is expensive as hell. The problem will be finding an action to fit them to.

I had seen those barrels in the catalogue. They're from a double rifle that was only retailed by Atkin, built for them by someone else. It was almost certainly a boxlock. Note the Birmingham proof marks. Also note the non-matching trade maker's number on the key rib between the barrels. Atkin's number 3065, trade maker's number 87,933. Also note the doll's head extension. There is very little chance that these barrels will fit an Atkin sidelock shotgun, especially if it is a best, which will have no doll's head extension.

It would be a good idea to find out who the trade maker was. Looking at them, I can't tell. The Atkin number is from 1931 according to published SN tables. However, the proof marks are 1904 rule (no case length mark) which were superseded by new rules in 1925, which added the case length mark (it would say 3" on the flats). The table could be wrong, but the gun may also have laid around for a while. It would be a good idea to contact Ken Duglan at Atkin Grant & Lang to see what Atkin's records say. The records that survive of many of the London firms (day books) generally don't indicate the source of a bought in gun, or even that it was bought in. The availability of that information depends on what records survive.

Still, they're probably worth what you paid for them.

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I talked to ken douglan today good news and bad news, the gun was made in 1931 and will proberly fit a boxlock 12. the bad news is that it was made at henry atkin from the ground up, no retailers. the other number is a in factory part no.

so i cant just modify the barrels to fit an action other that an atkin(to me that would be unholy)
but have to find a birmingham action that i can fit to the barrels(in case the action turns up)

oh well all in a days work.

peter

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A 12 bore action may be a bit large for those barrels.

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