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cr500
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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: NitroX]
      #9271 - 17/02/04 07:55 PM

Are there any websites for EAA or Baikal doubles? I wouldnt mind getting one as long as they are traditional looking side by sides ,until I can afford a good one.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: cr500]
      #9278 - 17/02/04 09:59 PM

first let me say i didnt buy it for DG hunting. But i picked up a kodiak double in 45/70. I really like it! Its been too cold to give her a real workout. But with "trapdoor' loads its sweet to shoot. My wife who hates recoil shot it quite well. Off hand at about 40 yards she hit a soda can first with one barrel the the other. I cant wait to put some real loads in it.
The finish on it is very nice. some would not like the brown barrels but i like the looks of them. If you just wanted a double to shoot and hunt anything less than DG I thinks its a great choice.
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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: deant]
      #9284 - 17/02/04 11:57 PM

I can not imagine this Russian double for $6-800 is going to be anything but a POS. I have heard that the barrels are not actually regulated. You have to do it with a set screw Well, actually I guess they would be ok if you just wanted to shoot holes in the barn. Then you would not be able to miss. I had a Merkel once. I did not like the way it handled and it was so butt fugly that after six months I was wondering what I was thinking when I bought it.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: deant]
      #9292 - 18/02/04 04:08 AM

deant
My brother had one of those for a while. It was very accurate with every load we shot in it. It should make you an excellent hunting rifle.
The Cor-Bon 350gr factory single shot pistol loads chronographed 1971fps.
My reloads with the Remington 405 gr SP with 53gr. of IMR 3031 did 1840fps.
Garretts old 415gr loads did 1734fps.
300gr factory loads,
Winchester 1864fps
Federal 1831fps
Remington 1887fps
Remington 405 factory loads 1293fps.

Hope this info helps.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: NE450No2]
      #9294 - 18/02/04 04:39 AM

ne450#2
thanks for the info. If it shoots hotter loads like it is the 405s I will be very happy.
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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: NE450No2]
      #9295 - 18/02/04 04:53 AM

450No2,

I've been considering buying one. How did the 405 reloads at 1840 look, pressure wise? Is there area to push it a bit harder?

How strong does the Kodiak appear? Do you think it would take the 400 gr 1950-2000 fps loadings without things going haywire?

I am NOT asking whether it would make a dangerous game gun...just want to figure out its potential in the Kodiak.

Has anyone shot the Kodiak in 9,3x74r??

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: luv2safari]
      #9323 - 18/02/04 07:45 AM

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My brother contacted Pederolosi [sp?] and they sent him a lot of info. They stated that the Kodiak would take any load that was safe in the Marlin Lever.
The 53gr of 3031 is an Elmer Keith load that I was using in my Marlin. In my No1 I used more powder but seated the bullet out farther. [My No1 is an older rifle and has a longer throat than newer rifles.] You cannot get much more 3031 in to the case with that bullet at "normal" seating depths. If a 400gr bullet at 1840 is not enough an extra 100 fps does not make much difference IMHO.
The best way to increase the "killing" power is to use the proper bullet. For BIG big game i.e. bears, elk etc I would start with the 350gr Hornady, the 400gr Swift A Frame, or the 350/400 North Fork, or heavy cast bullets, Buffalo Bore, Garrett etc. I like expansion and penetration, but I must have enough penetration.
For deer the 300gr bullets at @ 1850 work very well, but my favorite all round bullet for deer and pigs is the 350 Hornady at 1800 to 1900fps.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: NE450No2]
      #9324 - 18/02/04 07:53 AM

H4895 seems to show promise with the 400 gr bullets. Have you tried it? It seems to be good to almost 2000 fps, and might just work to 1950fps or so real well. I don't like "blue pills" going off too close to my face, such as it is...
I like to use Tripple 7 in my trapdoor...man, I love the smoke...!

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: luv2safari]
      #9329 - 18/02/04 08:41 AM

I saw one of those Kodiak Rifles not to long ago used for around 2k. I love the external hammers. I am not much of a 45-70 fan but it looked like fun

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: ChuckWagon]
      #9347 - 18/02/04 11:01 AM

A few people, myself included, tried to get Pedersoli to chamber some new cartridges in the Kodiak eg the .450 No2 NE but no luck.

Now that would be an affordable nice NE double, and quite traditional with the external hammers.


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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: NitroX]
      #9352 - 18/02/04 11:12 AM

I at least have to give the Kodiak good marks for looks. This russian gun gives me the willies just thinking about it coming unglued.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: ChuckWagon]
      #9372 - 18/02/04 12:42 PM

Just imagine this. A whole bunch guys go to the Big A with Kodiaks with Garrett loads and start whacking stuff, can you imagine the crowing they would be doing?

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: NitroX]
      #9387 - 18/02/04 02:49 PM

Dugaboy1:

Would you care to elaborate on the Merkel 9.3x74? I have been looking at them for a while, and think it would make a fine addition to the gun safe next to the Kreighoff 470.

I saw 2 in Reno that could have been had for $3900. Need? no, want? oh yea......

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: JBoutfishn]
      #9398 - 18/02/04 05:42 PM

JBoutfishing
Curiosity question. If you already have a Krieghoff double in 470 why don't you want one in 9,3x74R?

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: NE450No2]
      #9447 - 19/02/04 02:55 AM

Been asked that question before. While I love the Krieghoff with its cocking system in a DGR, I want another double in a light caliber. I know I can get another barrel set for the Kriegoff, but I want something different.

I like the coin finish, the cross bolt system, and it fits quite well. Cost is always an issue

All of my bolt guns are not M70's.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: JBoutfishn]
      #9448 - 19/02/04 03:48 AM

JBoutfishing
Take a look at the Chapuis 9,3. I have had one for about 5 years. It weighs 7 1/4 lbs. The rib is pre cut for a scope mount. I have shot mine over a thousand times and it is still tight. The pivot scope mount goes back to zero.
I have yet to try a factory load that does not regulate good enough to hunt with out to 100 yards. I have had no problems working up reloads that regulate with several different bullets. They are available in different "grades" from about $5 thousand to 20 thousand. Mine is the lowest grade the UGEX with case colored reciever.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: NE450No2]
      #9484 - 19/02/04 10:59 AM

it would be great if Merkel, Chapuis, or Krighoff offered theirs in a 450 NE.I would buy anyone of them if they did.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: Mbogojoe]
      #9491 - 19/02/04 12:20 PM

They are offered in DG calibers. I just saw a Krieghoff in 450#2 last weekend. It was a 458 rechambered. Because of the length of shells and the wide opening required of an O/U they are not thought of a being very practical for reloading under adverse conditions. You would also have tohave an ejector for the same reason regarding getting the bottom shell out with out it hitting the face of the action.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: NitroX]
      #9766 - 22/02/04 12:32 AM

Nitrox, What did you think of the quality of the Pedersoli Kodiak ? I see that the mark IV is now available in 9.3x74 and has a optional second set of 20 guage barrels. That would seem a rather nice travel set up for around 4k.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: ChuckWagon]
      #9782 - 22/02/04 05:30 AM

Chuckwagon
I think the quality of the Kodiak is very nice. Mine has nice wood. the color case looks very nice. Metal to wood fit is also nice. Id bet some dont like the brown barrels but i think it goes nice with the gun. I dont know how old mine is but its not been shot much as all is still tight!
I am sure it isnt the same as $8000 + guns but IMHO its a nice gun. Most of all I like the fact it shoots real good.
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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: deant]
      #9802 - 22/02/04 09:09 AM

It is a intersting gun. I would certainly like to take a few pokes with one. For the money it is a interesting propostion but mostly I am drawn to the Case clors and external hammers. I simply find that to be the look of a proper double gun. I have heard nothing but good things on the quality of Pedersoli firearms. Are the barrels regulated in a fixed position or is their a set screw ?

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: ChuckWagon]
      #9813 - 22/02/04 11:10 AM

They have no screw they are fixed, They are quite heavy so using light loads is very pleasent shooting.
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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: deant]
      #9822 - 22/02/04 02:11 PM

Who in the US is handling them now? Cabelas used to show them in their catalogs, but I didn't notice any in my recent catalog.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: deant]
      #9824 - 22/02/04 02:55 PM

Did I miss something? I don't see any mention of price on the Pedersoli. It would seem to be a fun gun to have around. BTW, L2S, your previous mention of wanting to go past 1900 with a 400 gr bullet is practically impossible unless you had a No.1. You might get it past that speed only with cast bullets and jacketed bullets at that weight will increase pressures to dangerous levels. Lower coefficient of friction, oh don't cha know.

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Re: A double rifle affordable for everyone? [Re: 475Guy]
      #9827 - 22/02/04 03:45 PM

The Kodiaks were about $2,500.00 the last I saw.

I was looking in the Speer #12 reloading manual at loads for modern bolt action and single shots for data on the 45-70 with 400 gr bullets. They have one max load @ 2018 fps and the next @ 1997.

These seem to be pushing the old boy to the limit, but are in fact in Speer's book.

My only experience with the 45-70 is with my old trap door, and I use Triple 7 for it.

I had a cape gun in 20 & 45-70 made from a sleeved Fox shotgun once, but it wouldn't hit an outhouse wall if locked inside. Some other proud sucker owns it now.

I was wondering whether anyone had pushed the 45-70 in a strong action rifle to these speeds with a 400 gr. They also list 350 gr loads to 2132!!

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