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Double_Trouble
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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: empirevr]
      #62914 - 23/09/06 12:09 AM

L17,000 is closer to $40,000.00 USD

if the Pound is at approx 2.3 .... the amount is $39,100.00

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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #62929 - 23/09/06 06:12 AM

Hi

No no.....

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Has always stayed at nearly 2 to 1. Dollar is strong currently, that is good news to me.....and my US clients especially.

Have any of you seen any 4 bore double rifle cheaper? blighters are a trifle rare........

Centuryarms seem to make a single barrel 4 bore rewa, and its $35,000.....

I dont think that price seems very high at all for the Tolley 4 bore.....I could have sworn they normally went for double that amount.....but all out of my league anyway!

Ben


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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: empirevr]
      #62930 - 23/09/06 06:21 AM


I know of one 4 Bore double down this way and a couple of 8 Bore doubles and all are up above the $ figure you are talking about.

And I don't think the owners would have any problem selling them if they put them on the market as they are rare and extremely good pieces.

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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: 500Nitro]
      #62933 - 23/09/06 06:38 AM

'Nitro

That Tolley also seems a beauty.......

Someone said its expensive,but this i dont believe.

I have yet to see any 4-bore double rifle of any kind, for less money than this.

There isnt enough of them to go round as it is,so prices will never be low.

8's are much much easier to find,and half the price.

A Tolley 8 rifle went on gunsamerica for $10,500.......which of you got it???

Cheers

Ben


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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: empirevr]
      #62935 - 23/09/06 06:52 AM


empirevr

I am sure if you owned a 4 bore and then decided to sell it you wouldn't ask lower than it's worth / value.

I didn't get the 8 bore - not my field anyway.

There are some very good buys on GA occasionally - the problem I se eis that people can't identify them easily OR don't move quick enough when they do see one.

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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: 500Nitro]
      #62937 - 23/09/06 07:11 AM

Ahh well nitro old chap.......

That depends upon the seller,the condition of the gun,and what the seller paid also.

God knows,i saw it on there very late on......i hadnt been looking for an 8 really anyway,as i know they are typically $20,000+

For $10,000 i could get a Krieghoff .500 ne........not English but well made good and usable,with same power about.

$10,000 will buy a nitro alright,but no 8 or 4.

Ben


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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: 500Nitro]
      #62942 - 23/09/06 11:14 AM

Does anybody know the specs on this 4?

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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: empirevr]
      #62944 - 23/09/06 11:32 AM


empirevr

"and what the seller paid also" has stuff all to do with what you sell it for.
gatsby

who was your question re the 4 bore directed at ?


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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: 500Nitro]
      #62945 - 23/09/06 11:38 AM

As you wish,sir.......

Though if i bought for 5,value 10,wanted cash fast for whatever reason,sell 7.5.......

Gatsby,its a smooth bore Tolley with ivory rear sight, 30" barrels, jones underlever gun.....in decent condition too.

Cheerio.

Ben


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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: empirevr]
      #370143 - 11/10/22 12:47 AM

Quote:

So i have gathered what information i can online.......but there is very little.

So im asking you guys,with your vastly superior wisdom.....

What was the more popular of the bpe rifles in africa and india? the 8 bores get more mention now.....more seem to be for sale.....

The 4 bores i heard one chap say only 100 were made....

If so,how many 8 bores were made?

And just for my curiosity......was the .577 bpe the bp equivilent of todays .375 h&h???

Thankyou




No vast wisdom here ... But I would think 4-bores were very uncommon. Non existent?

The .450 and .500 BPEs were medium game calibres. A .577 BPE again a larger medium game rifle but maybe extending into bovines?

8-bores, 10-bores were the thing and 12-bores marginal. Probably used a lot however.

If you read the old books, shoot. If it doesn't die, keep shooting. If it runs away, find another one ... If it kills you instead, no book ....

Funny I only saw the first post, must have been threaded view. Must read the other four pages now! . I see it is from 2006. I must have picked the thread up from who's online listings.



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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #370148 - 11/10/22 03:10 AM

Quote:

L17,000 is closer to $40,000.00 USD

if the Pound is at approx 2.3 .... the amount is $39,100.00




Currently, as in right this minute, 17,000 pounds is $18,767.64 US, $25,781.01 CDN and $29,806.18 Aussie $.

App Currency Plus is handy sometimes.

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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: NitroX]
      #370171 - 11/10/22 07:30 PM

Quote:

So i have gathered what information i can online.......but there is very little.

So im asking you guys,with your vastly superior wisdom.....

What was the more popular of the bpe rifles in africa and india? the 8 bores get more mention now.....more seem to be for sale.....

The 4 bores i heard one chap say only 100 were made....

If so,how many 8 bores were made?

And just for my curiosity......was the .577 bpe the bp equivilent of todays .375 h&h???






I haven't read my older historical hunting books, where the BP bore rifles were the norm. And the little BPE cartridges.

Forgetting any modern use what use historically donyou remember reading they put them to?

A .500 and .577 are regarded as very big bores now.140 years ago, no they weren't. The bullets were far lighter, slow, and lacked penetration. The lead projectiles were often too fragile. Imo.

If they were such great bg killers, why aren't modern 12-bore shotguns today great dg slayers?

No a .577 BPE was not the equivalent to a .375 H&H Mag. A reason such innovations revolutionised safari rifle choices and rung the final death knell for a lot of older cartridges. So much more effective.

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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: NitroX]
      #370172 - 11/10/22 07:37 PM

I wish I had the reference still.

I remember reading some intrepid colonial hunter hunting seladang/gaur in SE Asia. Malaya perhaps?

It was a harrowing tale. He shot the bull more than once. Several times I think. In the jungle it proceeded to toss him up and about. Time and again. His trackers observing from high in trees.

One explanation was his using an inadequate rifle. Was smaller than a 10-bore. A 12 or 14 ?

I've forgotten too much. There is no doubt I have written about it at least twice before. Maybe even found the story or a similar story.

That story resonated with me about using so ething inadequate especially in thick jungle or bush.

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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: NitroX]
      #370182 - 11/10/22 09:49 PM



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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: NitroX]
      #370183 - 11/10/22 09:54 PM

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=254014&an=&page=0&vc=1

"Classic African Cartridges: The Giant Bores - Four and Six" by Ganyana, African Hunter Magazine.

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Re: 8 bore vs 4 bore [Re: NitroX]
      #370195 - 12/10/22 03:25 AM

Good "portrait" of a young Francois Selous, with his shortened 4-bore Dutch Fowler, a cap-lock.

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