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Ratel74
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.416" Bore Doubles
      #56042 - 29/04/06 03:31 PM

In my double rifle battery I am seriously considering a .416" bore double. I am loking at a .500/.416 or a .416 Rigby. I am very fond of the Rigby round since I have over 500 rounds of amo, dies bullets, etc. I am concerned over the longevity of the .500/.416 and the avalibilty of factory ammunition. I kno the debate over flanged verses rimless but i can see the merits in the Rigby as a double rifle cartridge. Any comments would be appreciated


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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56045 - 29/04/06 05:31 PM

I would definitely get the 500/416.

If you want a 416 Rigby get a bolt gun.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: bulldog563]
      #56054 - 29/04/06 09:11 PM

Get the .500/.416. Relying on factory ammunition in a large bore double is silly to begin with. Cases can be made from any other .500 based case. The Rigby has no merit as a double rifle cartridge at all and will be hard to sell when it comes time.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56062 - 30/04/06 12:04 AM

Wolfgang Romey loads the 500/416 ammo for both Krieghoff and Westley Richards. Plus you're always going to have specialty loaders, i.e.: Superior ammo... so I wouldn't give much worry to availability.

I don't have any practical experience with the cartridge, personally, but have clients that own them.

The only "hearsay" I can pass along is not to buy one if you're looking for decreased recoil from a .470. Apparently the perceived recoil is quite similar.

However, if you want the flatter-shooting of the two, and assuming you scoped it to take advantage of the flatter trajectory, that would obviously be the 500/416.



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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: new_guy]
      #56066 - 30/04/06 02:05 AM

I still look at 500/.416 as specialty ammo however, the .416 Rigby is loaded by Federal, Kynoch, and Norma. That says alot. This is where I am torn, ammo avalibility is paramount to me, that why I opted for a .375 H&H in my S2. I agree the .500/.416 is a better double gun cartridge, but the Rigby is avalible, I even found it in Africa when a client's ammo was lost in transit and a local gun store had some on the shelf.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56073 - 30/04/06 05:17 AM

Okay, if Wally World availability is that important to you, then you've made your case for a bolt rifle. Unless you buy a 9.3X74R and move to Europe, double rifle ammunition isn't convenient. Never has been, never will be. That's the nature of specialized firearms and the double rifle is among the most specialized of them all. Selecting a rimless shell for a double rifle in a caliber that is obviously intended for dangerous game, just because the correct choice is inconvenient, is the height of folly. Trying to cross a Ferrari with a pick-up truck gets you neither, just a wreck.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #56074 - 30/04/06 06:12 AM

Still look at the .500/ .416 is is far from even convient to get. It is not a bad round just way tough to find. As for hanloading, sure you can sit at the bench and work up looads for doubles, but I think the ability to find a good factory ammunition that shoots out of the gun is a good plus

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56075 - 30/04/06 06:44 AM

Which, once again, clearly indicates that the proper choice for you is the bolt rifle. If not only the availability, but also selection , of factory ammo is an issue to you, a double is the worst choice you could possibly make. You need to re-evaluate your priorities. A .416 is a dangerous game rifle. Sure, choice of configuration can be a matter of convenience - if you're willing to hazard your life for the sake of convenience.

It also might indicate why your results with the British doubles that you posted about in the other thread weren't so great. If you're not willing to "sit at the bench and work up loads for doubles", then don't buy one. Seriously Aleko, they're not bolt rifles and they're not for everybody. From the issues you've raised above, a bolt rifle will be the best choice for you.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #56076 - 30/04/06 06:59 AM

Ratel,

Even if you can get 416 Rigby ammo "off the shelf" in "any?" a gunshop,
if you own a double rifle in 416 Rigby that DOESN'T MEAN that the
416 Rigby ammo you just bought will shoot to the Point of Aim in
YOUR Double.

It also doesn't mean every gunshop will carry 416 Rugby ammo.

I would suggest you get a bolt gun or if you do buy a double in 416 Rigby
you'll have trouble selling it.

Finally, if your concern is Ammo Availability, then employ someone
like Superior Ammo or one of the other custom ammo makers in the US
who will work up loads for you and your gun and then when you want some
more just phone them up and they will ship you some more.

You have it much better than everyone else in the workd regarding availability
of everything.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: new_guy]
      #56100 - 30/04/06 09:36 PM

Personally I would love to try out a modern scoped .500/.416.

But this comment always has me a bit perplexed:

In reply to:

The only "hearsay" I can pass along is not to buy one if you're looking for decreased recoil from a .470. Apparently the perceived recoil is quite similar.



I haven't done the statistical analysis on recoil but ceterus parabus (all oherthings being equal) I can't see the logic in that statement. I know the source of the original quotation for that comment but has ANYONE ELSE ever reported perceived recoil being so extraordinarily different in a .500/.416 as compared to say a .400 Jeffrey?



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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: NitroX]
      #56102 - 30/04/06 10:00 PM

Nitro,

What are the ballistics of the .500/.416? In other words, are they radically different from the .450/.400?

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: CptCurl]
      #56105 - 30/04/06 10:14 PM

Well I recon I found out for myself. Here is the information from the Krieghoff website:

410 grain bullet
2330 fps
4940 fpe

from a 65 cm (25.5") barrel

Krieghoff website



On the other hand, Kynoch lists the .450/.400 3" at:

400 grain bullet
2125 fps
4010 fpe

from a 30" barrel.

Kynoch website



So the .500/.416 does have a good bit more ass than the .400 Jeffery. Probably does recoil more.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: CptCurl]
      #56106 - 30/04/06 10:29 PM

Curl,

Per Krieghoff

In reply to:

Velocity: 2,330 ft/sec (710m/s)



Krieghoff - .500/.416

I remember reading on the net that actual users found that velocity a little 'optimistic'. Perhaps any members who have chronographed one could share?

Lets assume:

10 lb double rifle
.500/.416
410 gr bullet
105grs powder charge (high side)
Velocity 2330 ft/sec

Recoil Energy of 61 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 20 fps

10 lb double rifle
.500/.416
410 gr bullet
100grs powder charge
Velocity 2200 ft/sec

Recoil Energy of 52 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 18 fps

A .450/.400 3"

10 lb double rifle
.450/.400 3"
400 gr bullet
72grs powder charge
Velocity 2100 ft/sec

Recoil Energy of 39 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 16 fps.

OK makes sense. I believe you have posted again but I haven't seen that last post yet.


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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: NitroX]
      #56108 - 30/04/06 10:45 PM

Yeah, that .500/.416 comes from a different kettle of fish. It will have more recoil than the various .450/.400's.

I've never shot one, so know nothing from my experience.

The case capacity is much greater than the .450/.400 chamberings.

What are the calculations on the standard .470NE round?

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: NitroX]
      #56134 - 01/05/06 05:40 AM

I wouldn't call Krieghoff's published standards "optimistic", it's just that all of the .500/.416 rifles I've seen have had shorter than "standard" barrels. Most are 23.5" rather than 25.5". Some of the velocity claims I've seen on the net from handloaders are definitely optimistic.

I chronographed several batches of .500/.416 factory ammo from Krieghoff (Romey) in a new Krieghoff Classic with 23.5" barrels five years ago. As you would expect with barrels 2" under standard, none of it came up to 2300 fps. IIRC, it averaged in the 2270 fps range. Factory ammo is loaded with blended (multiple propellants), non-cannister grade propellants in order to get 2330 fps from a 25.5" barrel and keep pressures under 45,000 psi. I doubt that handloaders, using cannister grade propellants, can exceed standard velocity without exceeding max pressure. Some claim 2400 fps from 23.5" barrels! Nuts.

I've owned both .400s and have been shooting the 3" for almost 20 years now. In one session, I fired 25 rounds from the .500/.416, a dozen or so from the .400 Jeffery, plus a few rounds of .400/.360, all from the bench. I'm relatively insensitive to recoil - up to a point. The .500/.416 might kick a tad harder than my .400 but, to me, it's hard to tell. I enjoy shooting both, even from the bench. I've also done a fair bit of load development with the .470 and have shot several of them from the bench. To me, the difference in felt recoil between the .470 and the .400 Jeffery/.500/.416 is biblical. A 35 to 40 round range session with the .470, all from the bench, would be beyond my endurance.

Incidentally, accuracy of the Krieghoff with the Romey factory ammo was marginally acceptable for hunting purposes at 50 yards, and useless at 100. The ammo was erratic. With handloads, accuracy at 100 is superb. I've fired the Romey stuff in several other rifles in different calibers with similar results.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: NitroX]
      #56152 - 01/05/06 09:47 AM

John:

The one you missed out:

11 lb double rifle
.470 NE
500 gr bullet
105grs powder charge
Velocity 2125 ft/sec

Recoil Energy of 70 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 20 fps.



Now in a ten pound rifle

10 lb double rifle
.470 NE
500 gr bullet
105grs powder charge
Velocity 2125 ft/sec

Recoil Energy of 77 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 22 fps.





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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Marrakai]
      #56269 - 03/05/06 10:49 AM

I own and shoot the 500/416 in a Krieghoff double.

I have a copy of data published by Krieghoff for reloads using the 410 gr, Woodleigh bullets and H1000 powder that shoots VERY well in my rifle at 100 & 150 yards.

I just got it back from having a pivot mount installed for a S&B 1.1-4 scope on it. I took it to a friends range the other day and we easily blew up many 1/2 size concrete blocks at out to 150 yards. Works for me. We then moved to a 12" steel plate and used the iron sights at 100 yard. No problem ringing the plate until we blew it off the chains.

Good thing I reload for this rifle as the 2 of us went through 60 rounds. No ill effects from the recoil.

I like it!!! I also have a video of the rifles former owner using it on Cape Buff and Hippo on his hunt in Mozambique. Worked well for him and I'll be trying it out in September very near where he was hunting. Hope it works as well for me.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: ChopperGuy]
      #56274 - 03/05/06 11:20 AM

Chopper,

Sounds damn good to me.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56600 - 08/05/06 04:18 AM

In reply to:

I still look at 500/.416 as specialty ammo however, the .416 Rigby is loaded by Federal, Kynoch, and Norma. That says alot. This is where I am torn, ammo avalibility is paramount to me, that why I opted for a .375 H&H in my S2. I agree the .500/.416 is a better double gun cartridge, but the Rigby is avalible, I even found it in Africa when a client's ammo was lost in transit and a local gun store had some on the shelf.

Aleko




Aleko, it sounds like you have your mind made up! My question is, why did you ask the question in the first place?

My opinion , for what it's worth, is that any double rifle is a handloading necessity, if one is to get the most from his rifle, and cut cost down to what most can afford!

Anyone who has, even a passing knowledge of the care and feeding of double rifles, knows that handloading goes hand, and hand with successful results where double rifles are concerened.

I say if you want your DGR doubles chambered for rimless/belted cartridges, then it is your money, and your decision, so go for it. However, anyone who isn't willing to expend the effort to make his DGR absolutely stone solidly reliable, by working up a proper load, doesn't have the time to hunt dangerous game, IMO!!
I have owned many double rifles in the past years, and have found most do not shoot well with ANY factory ammo, and a rimless, or belted rimless cases is a danger to life and limb in DGRS!

I say use what you want, but why ask a question, you are not willing the accept the answer to?



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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #56687 - 09/05/06 10:35 AM

Actually I started to look at the .500/.416, I understand there are two different rim thicknesses, is this correct?

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56698 - 09/05/06 12:15 PM

The 500/416 has a .040 rim.
Art Alphin's "416 Rimmed" has a .060 rim.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: new_guy]
      #56723 - 09/05/06 04:30 PM

If factory ammunition is the concern and you don't want to go with an outfit like Superior, why not just stick with .470? I know of two stores within an hour of me stock it (and I'm guessing one other but I won't give Griffin and Howe a penny), as well as Cabelas. I'm not disputing the need to reload mind you - I'm just saying factory ammo is easily available.

Alternatively you could go with a Blaser in .416 Rem Mag

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #56729 - 09/05/06 09:34 PM

dugaboy ......... as I read his post, Aleko didnt ask a question at all but rather asked for comments. And since this a forum of and for discussion of double rifles i would say that his post was most appropriate ( as witnessed by the intelligent discourse it sparked ,,,,,save one!)

it seems that every one of these sites has its resident curmudgeon ,,,swell meetin' ya!

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #56740 - 10/05/06 12:44 AM

Nope, Mac got it exactly right.

Aleko, there is only one .500/.416 - Krieghoff version. A-Square's .416 Rimmed is a different cartridge.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #56742 - 10/05/06 01:06 AM

In reply to:

dugaboy ......... as I read his post, Aleko didnt ask a question at all but rather asked for comments. And since this a forum of and for discussion of double rifles i would say that his post was most appropriate ( as witnessed by the intelligent discourse it sparked ,,,,,save one!)

it seems that every one of these sites has its resident curmudgeon ,,,swell meetin' ya!





Yes daddy! That was my "COMMENT"! and here is another to you! You are welcome to click right pased any post headed DUGABOY1.

It has always seemed funny to me, when a person asks should it be "A" , or "B" when they only want the answer that was their choice to begine with. In this case, if you read the whole string, every suggestion to go to "B" always was countered with "A" is better. This tells me, the poster did not want other opinions in the first place, but wanted everyone to tell him what he wanted to hear!

I have absolutely nothing to gain either way, and it is his money, to do with as he sees fit, but it is one thing to ask for comments, but another to then argue with every one that is not his first choice. In this case his choice is, quite clearly, "A", and that is fine, but why waste time asking opinions on "B" when you have no intention of considering the merits of "B"?

As far as meeting the resident CURMUDGEON, I'm gald to meet the resident KEEPER OF THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT! Your screen name says it all! Seems there's more that one old bull in these woods!

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #56752 - 10/05/06 04:18 AM

Great Thread absent all the perjorative obloquy!!

Kreighoff 500/416--
I have only one Double and very limited Double experience but am not fond of the Kreighoff due to the rifle particulars as previously discussed on this website. This alone would eliminate the caliber unless there is some application I am not aware of.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: hoppdoc]
      #56754 - 10/05/06 04:57 AM

Aleko,
I have to agree with Dugaboy, 400 Nitro and the others that recommend the 500/416 over the 416 Rigby for a double.
Even though I have 2 rimless drillings, and a rimless K 95 that have worked perfectly, for a big bore that will be used for elephant and buff up close I would stay with a rimmed cartridge.

I have shot one buff at 12 yards, one elephant at 12 yards and 3 elephants at 6 yards or under.
At those distances you want to leave nothing to chance.


However I would still like to have a 375 H&H double.... I think, just because I have so much 375 ammo and brass. However I have found my 9,3 Chapuis to be PERFECT, so I guess I will leave the 375 to my Blaser R 93.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: NE450No2]
      #56773 - 10/05/06 10:15 AM

I am torn to be honest. The rimmed .500/.416 is a BETTER choice than .416 Rigby in a double. However, I do have a .375 double for the reason the NE 450 No. 2 made a point of avalibilty. The descrepancy of .416 ammo is a bit bothersome, but I like the bore diameter. It is not a matter of if I need one but which one it is. I am hedging towards the .500/.416 but I do have 500 rounds of Rigby ammo. And I don't need another bolt gun.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56776 - 10/05/06 11:18 AM

Sell the Rigby ammo if you dont have a rifle to use it in/ dont see yourself getting one in the near future and get a 500/416.

For me the 500/416 would win hands down for all the reasons previously mentioned without question.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: bulldog563]
      #56788 - 10/05/06 03:24 PM

If you have .416 factory ammunition I'm sure someone here on the board will buy it off of you - there's a few people including myself who have picked up one recently.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56842 - 11/05/06 02:16 AM

Aleko:

Although I've never worried about the availability of factory ammo as I never use it, I do understand the availability issue with repsect to components. Many years ago, my choice was the .450/.400 3". Right after I bought it, Bell sold to PMC and Bell brass dried up overnight. For a number of years, shoving money under people's noses didn't do much good. It worked for me just once and I got 60 rounds that I stashed. For my shooting during that time, I reloaded old Berdan primed Kynoch cases - I was that desperate.

Yeah, I think long term availability of .500/.416 factory ammo might be a valid concern, although I'm not quite as pessimistic about it as you are. Forget that. You'll be happier accuracy wise with handloads, believe me. The load I developed used a new Bell case, Federal 215 primers, 107.5 grains H1000, and a 410 Woodleigh. This load gave good velocity and superb accuracy.

Do it like this and you'll be fine. When you buy the .500/.416, buy all of your brass just once, say a minimum of 300 cases. That way you won't have any availability concerns in the future. The 410 grain .416 bullet will probably always be available. Considering caliber, I imagine that your concern about getting separated from your ammo and needing to buy some somewhere will only apply to Africa. Take a .375 as a second rifle, it will do in that pinch. That is, at least in part, what the second rifle is for. If you can't find .375 ammo, you probably won't be able to find anything else that would be of any use to you anyway.

If the above sounds too aggravating for you to consider then, in all candor, you'll be happier with a bolt rifle.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #56851 - 11/05/06 02:55 AM

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Do it like this and you'll be fine. When you buy the .500/.416, buy all of your brass just once, say a minimum of 300 cases. That way you won't have any availability concerns in the future.



Good advice for any double rifle cartridge. Would last most of a lifetime of big bore shooting. Is very painful on the pocket initially though.





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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: NitroX]
      #56866 - 11/05/06 04:58 AM

Cheap it ain't, John, but it beats the long dry spells all hollow. It also beats extraction problems with a rimless, especially when standing in front of an enraged animal. If .500/.416 brass does become unavailable in the future, he can form brass for domestic use from .470, which should certainly be available, and save the .500/.416 brass for trips to Africa, where a proper headstamp might be important. A couple hundred rounds of brass would last a long time that way.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #56867 - 11/05/06 05:14 AM

Hey BOY! you are unable to identify an interogative phrase and you want to follow "rules of engagemen"t? baby steps Boy baby steps.
Now that you have the name figured out ( Boy ,,,, you're no slouch [ trust me I'm rolling my eyes ] ) read the closing signature line and obey.

You needn't reply Boy, save your energy (you'll need it) to harangue other people who merely seek input and COMMENT.
Save your pontification for someone who gives a rats anus about what you have to spew.



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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #56870 - 11/05/06 06:42 AM

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Hey BOY! you are unable to identify an interogative phrase and you want to follow "rules of engagemen"t? baby steps Boy baby steps.
Now that you have the name figured out ( Boy ,,,, you're no slouch [ trust me I'm rolling my eyes ] ) read the closing signature line and obey.

You needn't reply Boy, save your energy (you'll need it) to harangue other people who merely seek input and COMMENT.
Save your pontification for someone who gives a rats anus about what you have to spew.




BOY?????????? I wish! I've probably got hunting shirts older than you!

OK, I bit the bait, but you didn't set the hook. You find it OK to stake me out on an ant hill, with your name calling, but you only do these things to start a sh&t fest. That seems to be what you like most. Speaking of PONTIFICATION, who the heck made you moderator of this forum? To see where this is going, all one needs to do is, read your profile to see where you are comeing from. I just got picked, but I have no doubt you will find others along the way.

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I'll save my comments (PONTIFICATIONS your words) for those who give a rat's anus about what I have to say. They can read me if they want, or decline. It is evident you are not one of them, so please, as I said before, click right on by my postings!

Case closed, BOY!

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #56871 - 11/05/06 06:47 AM

Double Trouble,

I think you are way off base here. Perhaps you should start at the bigging of the thread and re-read it. Dugaboy was right in that he questioned why the gent even asked for input. Whether it's asking for comments or having questions is of little importance. He asked for input on the topic and then basically jumped to counter all the initial input that the others offered after he asked for their input.

Not sure why you jumped on Dugaboy for trying to let the guy know that if you are going to ask for opiniond that they may not agree with you. Perhaps he should have worded it I'd like to "debate" the 416 rigby vs the 500/416 if he was going to jump on every other opinion with his counter opinion.

Anyway we don't need these types of deragotory personal attacks, such as you've just posted. Take it to PM if you have to but don't post it here.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: banzaibird]
      #56874 - 11/05/06 07:14 AM

Oh NO, Don't tell me Cats has made another appearance.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #56918 - 11/05/06 06:31 PM

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Speak not of what you do not know.
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A good rule! You should try and follow it, DT!

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56940 - 12/05/06 12:24 AM

Ratel74 , sorry about the outbursts that hyjacked your string here! Aleko, you have been around me long enough to know I meant no disrespect to you in my post about your choices of chamberings in your double rifles. We had this same conversation when you bought your 375 H&H Merkel, and my urgeings did no good at that time either! That is what I meant about your mind being made up!

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #56970 - 12/05/06 08:30 AM

Mac:

Pay no mind to DT. Just a little boy playing with mommy's computer.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #56975 - 12/05/06 09:13 AM

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Mac:

Pay no mind to DT. Just a little boy playing with mommy's computer.



I have to say, between DT going after Mac here and AkMike giving Tony grief on the Americas hunting board just down the page I was wondering what happened to the gentility here.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #57019 - 12/05/06 10:08 PM

atta Boy ! keep up the decorous behaviour and all will be right on the savannah

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #57021 - 12/05/06 11:11 PM

Hey guys, let's cool the rhetoric. Nobody here is into insults. When a small slight causes offense there is no benefit to lashing back. When that happens small things grow large and the forum loses its high demeanor. We are more mature than highschool kids.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #57031 - 13/05/06 12:59 AM

Curl

Good idea. Lets see this thread back on topic and no need for posts like the last one.

The topic is .416 doubles:

Is this any other.416 double other than the .500/.416, .416 Rigby and the A-square .416R. Never seen a double advertised in the last loading though. Any in .416 Rem Mag? Others?

Usually we lump the .425 WR, .416s, and .411/.408s into the one batch as the .400's.



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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #57036 - 13/05/06 01:30 AM

Double Trouble, i just looked at your profile, and among your Hobbies you list "Feces Agitation".

Let me assure you that there is no place for Feces Agitation here, and won't be tolerated. NitroExpress has a reputation for civility, and its members will keep that reputation intact.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #57044 - 13/05/06 04:17 AM

I will bow to your wishes gentlemen and do my upmost to keep my messages civil.

keep your safety on dougaboy... and I'll do the same

have a pleasent weekend all !

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #57046 - 13/05/06 04:28 AM

You have a great weekend as well.

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