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Gunbroker auction listing https://www.gunbroker.com/item/967656345

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Guss Stahl Krupt Essen W. Weisgerber SxS Double Rifle

This is a Guss Stahl Krupt Essen W. Weisgerber Prima SxS Double Rifle, with a 24” barrel. I’m not sure what this really is. Any info anyone has would be appreciated. I cannot figure the caliber of this rifle. Trying different bullets, chamber is bigger than 223 but smaller than 308. Barrel bore in very good condition. Bluing is probably about 90% with minor small marks visible in the pics. Top of barrel is stamped W. Weisgerber/St. Wendel. Monte Carlo fine wood stocks are very good with age appropriate minor handling marks. Stock has ammo storage compartment. Receiver has some real nice engraving. Other internal barrel stampings are: 2,7 gGBP, 118/35. This is a quality double rifle. Gun has not been test fired. Pictures show the condition of this gun. Estate sale. AS IS NO REFUNDS. Ask questions before bidding. SN 5255 Store Stock #16807

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Btw set triggers on a double. Amazing to me. Hopefully shoots accurately ascwell.

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Triebel scope mounts are different from the more normal claw mount. I have a double rifle with the same scope mounts. Axel provided a great explanation of how they function. The lock potrion of the mount is in the rear where there are double post where the back post is movable and locks the mount system. Itt is easier to understand by looking at your rifle. I checked with NECG and they will not build scope mounts for Triebel system. I toyed with the idea of making mounts but have not gotten further.

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As Roy hinted to my explanations, here are two photos of the rear, locking top of a A.W.Triebel, Suhl, mount. They show the rectangular, fixed positioning bosses, fitted to the front holes in the base. The movable, spring loaded hooks lock the scope down in the rear holes. The hooks are connected by rods to the checkered grip piece. They are pushed back to disengage them from the base. This allows the scope to be detached from the mount. The front base and claws of a Triebel mount are of standard design, handmade and -fitted of course.

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If a 360BPE case does not enter fully, I suspect the chamber is for the German case head (D) which is smaller than the English case (E case).
The 9.3x72 brass that I have appears ton have the English head diameter. I have had to thin the head @ the web using a small lathe and then resize the case by pushing it all the way into my 9.3x72 dies without the shell holder.

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The front sight looks like it might have a flip up 'moon sight' feature

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Do you have any insight into the steel hardness of the actual claws and locking surfaces? Were these relatively soft to limit battering or hardened to preserve geometry?

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First off, thank you all for sharing your expertise and kind feedback.

I've had a chance to cast the chambers and I've also received some S&B 9.3x72r loaded ammo. Rim size for the loaded ammo is perfect and the cast confirms a 72mm straight walled case. But the ammo doesn't fully seat, standing around of the barrel breaches by a small amount, roughly equal to the rim thickness. I will attach pics below showing this, along with measurements and where I think the cases might be hanging up.

Comparing measurements at the case head, the chamber is large enough for the S&B cases. But starting about 1/2" inch in, the chamber tolerance becomes very small. Starting 1.5" in, the chamber becomes straight walled to the case mouth. There is roughly 10mm of leade till the rifling starts, and that shows a 0.340" bore and lands at 0.358". No wear marks on the case towards the rim or the mouth...just in the mid section.

I didn't take a picture of it, the rifle very nearly closes on the loaded S&B rounds. I'm afraid to really snap the action closed to try to get these chambered but it's so close.

Unless there's a better idea, I will order brass and dies and try this with unloaded cases. If that doesn't work, then I guess it's either custom dies or have the chambers touched up with a the standard reamer. I'd prefer to avoid that if possible and let the next generation inherit this in the shape I found it.

Here are some pics:


Note below the left most measurement is the case head, not the rim, which as 0.492" on the cast.

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Looks to me it is hanging up on the bullet's Ogive ahead of the case mouth.

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Looks to me it is hanging up on the bullet's Ogive ahead of the case mouth.

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CJF's latest post says he pulled a bullet and tried an empty RWS case.
Hoping he will smoke the case to get a better idea of what part is interference fit?
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I was just going by the picture with the "rubbed" felt pen at the nose of the ogive on the bullet. However, the casting does not show a corresponding restriction. confusing.


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