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Looks very nice indeed, what cartridge is it chambered for.

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Lovely case hardening & the engraving is superb.
Very nice piece indeed - looks bigger than .375 to me!

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One thing that attracts attention and prospects is a good picture. This recent picture of my Simson .405 DR is flashy and generated compliments whereas the following photo was largely ignored.


older, dim photo


In fact, the exhibition grade wood was what drew me to the rifle several years ago, that and the caliber. It was a good purchase and I still hunt with the rifle.

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Looks very nice indeed, what cartridge is it chambered for.
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Speaking from this side of the pond, double rifles are always going to be more difficult to sell. Your Greener is a very nice rifle but:

1) 360 No2 whilst a very good cartridge is not a big dangerous game type cartridge. It’s a antelope, deer, wildboar type cartridge. And I don’t think anyone is now making ammo other than Kynoch. It is nominally 9.3 so you can probably use 9.3 bullets.

If it was or had been rechambered to 9.3 x74r then it would be more usable for wildboar etc as ammo is more readily available

2) for its intended use, most nowadays use an optical sight and most buyers would want it scoped.

3) and Greener are no longer in existence so you don’t have any market drive from an ongoing brand.

You also need to factor that for many, the Pandemic has put paid to many hunting adventures, and thus purchase of rifles.

So what you have is a nice double rifle, but most potential buyers these days would struggle to find a use for it, and being a boxlock, it has minimal collector value. If it was a 9.3x74r, 375 h&h, 400 or 470 nitro, then there would be a market.

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Speaking from this side of the pond, double rifles are always going to be more difficult to sell. Your Greener is a very nice rifle but:

1) 360 No2 whilst a very good cartridge is not a big dangerous game type cartridge. It’s a antelope, deer, wildboar type cartridge. And I don’t think anyone is now making ammo other than Kynoch. It is nominally 9.3 so you can probably use 9.3 bullets.

If it was or had been rechambered to 9.3 x74r then it would be more usable for wildboar etc as ammo is more readily available

2) for its intended use, most nowadays use an optical sight and most buyers would want it scoped.

3) and Greener are no longer in existence so you don’t have any market drive from an ongoing brand.

You also need to factor that for many, the Pandemic has put paid to many hunting adventures, and thus purchase of rifles.

So what you have is a nice double rifle, but most potential buyers these days would struggle to find a use for it, and being a boxlock, it has minimal collector value. If it was a 9.3x74r, 375 h&h, 400 or 470 nitro, then there would be a market.

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Sorry, but my opinion. Bloody good if the "market" is declining. Get rid of the investors and viva the users and actual shooters.

Probably due also to lesser economic times.

Nevertheless the still huge prices are beyond most actual users wallets.

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Doesn’t John Taylor mention using a Farquharson in .360 no 2 to take lion off a cattle ranch he worked on in his early days? I know he mentions the cartridge favorably.

The .360 as loaded by Kynamco pushes a 320 grain bullet around 2200 fps, about the same speed the 9.3 X 62 pushes 286 grains. Seems to me the talk of not enough gun is questionable. I don’t think a lion could tell it wasn’t a .375 H&H. Surely it’s enough gun for anything in North America.

I’d keep the gun and use it as is without destroying the lines (and handling) with claw mounts and telescopic sights. It’s not really meant to be a sniper rifle. It’s a fine and elegant gun in an interesting and adequate caliber if you ask me.

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Speaking from this side of the pond, double rifles are always going to be more difficult to sell. Your Greener is a very nice rifle but:

1) 360 No2 whilst a very good cartridge is not a big dangerous game type cartridge. It’s a antelope, deer, wildboar type cartridge. And I don’t think anyone is now making ammo other than Kynoch. It is nominally 9.3 so you can probably use 9.3 bullets.

If it was or had been rechambered to 9.3 x74r then it would be more usable for wildboar etc as ammo is more readily available

2) for its intended use, most nowadays use an optical sight and most buyers would want it scoped.

3) and Greener are no longer in existence so you don’t have any market drive from an ongoing brand.

You also need to factor that for many, the Pandemic has put paid to many hunting adventures, and thus purchase of rifles.

So what you have is a nice double rifle, but most potential buyers these days would struggle to find a use for it, and being a boxlock, it has minimal collector value. If it was a 9.3x74r, 375 h&h, 400 or 470 nitro, then there would be a market.

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Very difficult to say. In the September Holts Auction there was a mint Daniel Fraser Boxlock in 303 that had a hammer price of £7,000 - Lot 1206, and a Heym Boxlock with a pair of 375 H&H and 7x65R barrels all scoped that made £9,500. But the first is from a top end maker in mint condition with real collector value, and the second is a modern double with two sets of barrels that is selling for probably 50% of new price.

Greener's were never top end, rather good solid working rifles, and the rifle in question is a good solid working rifle with honest use. I would suspect if it was put into the Holts Auction I would guess it's guide price would be £3,000 to £5,000 - or possibly lower to get interest. Given that it is in the US where ownership is that much easier, and hence a wider constituency of buyers you might add another $1,000 to that price.

But it would very much be down to whether or not there were buyers after it on the day. The fact that it has dies and cases with it probably adds quite a bit of value - buy it today and I can play with it at the weekend, as opposed to where do I start lookng for dies. Dies may well be only $100 or less, but could be the difference between getting a good price, or not a lot.

Holts Auctioneers have a free valuation service - https://www.holtsauctioneers.com/v_page.html - upload some pictures and see what they say.

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I think the double fad and novelty has been over for a few years ,or the last ten, its been going downhill ,along with the declining World economy ,the last thing most people need or want, is an expensive double ,nice idea ,but the future for hunting /travel even a job, etc is looking grim, I will most probably lose my job next year to the ''No Stab no Job''.

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Very difficult to say. In the September Holts Auction ... and a Heym Boxlock with a pair of 375 H&H and 7x65R barrels all scoped that made £9,500. But the first is from a top end maker in mint condition with real collector value, and the second is a modern double with two sets of barrels that is selling for probably 50% of new price.

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I would have loved to buy that rifle! Out of my pocket currently though.

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I guess we should ask ourselves first why we want to buy a double even before we go into the market.
Regardless of price, I believe the vast majority of users will be because of the great workmanship that goes into these magnificent rifles that they have confidence to use them for hunting dangerous game should the chance prevail itself.
The romance of the great safari is still with us well over 150 years on; now to do so might be a pretty slim chance at present, however the skills to regulate these beasts with something besides factory loads are another challenge altogether, (I'm certainly finding that out) not for the faint of heart. It takes a lot of time & money to do so, but that is the challenge!
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Regardless of price, these are all individual & unique, did you pay too much for rifle, perhaps you did - so what! We are just the caretakers of these fine arms, they outlive us all, so why bother.
Vette447 has the right idea, buy them for posterity's sake; if they are in my care they will get used lovingly until I pass them on to the people who deserve them.

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Absolutely. I often wonder who I will leave mine to. Some of them I would like to give to someone worthy, who would use them.

I sometimes think of buying and selling to make a profit, but I will hang onto mine until dead.

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Regardless of the £ or $ or even $ value of old doubles, be they rifles or shotguns, the real value, and the one that will be remembered is the joy that they bring when in the field. Old doubles will have many stories to tell and we can just add to them. Many still in regular use were made before we had motor cars, or we could fly and communications was by quill pen and ink on a letter and our correspondence across the Atlantic was by steam ship. And the American Civil War was still as close as the first Gulf War.

And yet here we are in a forum contributing from all parts of the world discussing these wonderful rifles and how they lead to many adventures , and hopefully are grandchildren and great grandchildren will be doing the same in 50 or a 100 years time.

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Excellent post.

I love having the honour of using a rifle carried by generations of hunters before me. A rifle over a hundred and ten 6ears old. Worn but still does the same task.

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One factor in the DR market is many buyers have no idea. Sort of like buying a bow and thinking it will be the same as their brand new scoped modern rifle sighted in at the shop with factory ammunition. The same, They buy a vintage big bore DR and take it to Africa to hunt buffalo. Sell it as soon as they return home. Probably can't handle the recoil, it was unfamiliar, didn't perform as expected, probably double discharged it (my PH said it often happens when I did! But no one else admits it. ). At the very least, these guys should buy a new modern dr where it does need special regulating handload. The factory can set everything up for these newbies.

Less safaris, less buying of drs. Simple.

During World economic problem times, luxuries always suffer except for the super rich. They buy even more.

One of our members had a Purdey .369. purchased it maybe for A$7000? Over the years we saw it resold and resold till it was US$70,000 or more. Since last track of it. Maybe gathering dust in a collection. To me it wouldn't be worth half or a third of that ending price as a using dr.

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Regardless of the £ or $ or even $ value of old doubles, be they rifles or shotguns, the real value, and the one that will be remembered is the joy that they bring when in the field. Old doubles will have many stories to tell and we can just add to them. Many still in regular use were made before we had motor cars, or we could fly and communications was by quill pen and ink on a letter and our correspondence across the Atlantic was by steam ship. And the American Civil War was still as close as the first Gulf War.

And yet here we are in a forum contributing from all parts of the world discussing these wonderful rifles and how they lead to many adventures , and hopefully are grandchildren and great grandchildren will be doing the same in 50 or a 100 years time.

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Excellent post.

I love having the honour of using a rifle carried by generations of hunters before me. A rifle over a hundred and ten 6ears old. Worn but still does the same task.

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One factor in the DR market is many buyers have no idea. Sort of like buying a bow and thinking it will be the same as their brand new scoped modern rifle sighted in at the shop with factory ammunition. The same, They buy a vintage big bore DR and take it to Africa to hunt buffalo. Sell it as soon as they return home. Probably can't handle the recoil, it was unfamiliar, didn't perform as expected, probably double discharged it (my PH said it often happens when I did! But no one else admits it. ). At the very least, these guys should buy a new modern dr where it does need special regulating handload. The factory can set everything up for these newbies.

Less safaris, less buying of drs. Simple.

During World economic problem times, luxuries always suffer except for the super rich. They buy even more.

One of our members had a Purdey .369. purchased it maybe for A$7000? Over the years we saw it resold and resold till it was US$70,000 or more. Since last track of it. Maybe gathering dust in a collection. To me it wouldn't be worth half or a third of that ending price as a using dr.

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Have had PH's and others tell me the same.. Client will come hunt 1 or 2X's with their new firearm, then sell it once back to their home..NOT true big bore enthusiasts. Wanted the picture to put in their office or on FB...

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