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Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London.
#340903 - 10/05/20 12:51 AM

I guess I have become a Cog owner...LOL

I found this gun here in Denmark along with some others.

Original all the way. Lots of casecolors than what the pictures show. Mint bore.

27 inch barrel, backaction, rebounding hammers, Jones underlever and dollshead. What more could one want?.

The serie number along with proofs show the gun was made before 1887.

I can mot say yet whether its a 3" or a 3¼" chamber. But it'll come.

Edited by rigbymauser (10/05/20 12:59 AM)

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#340904 - 10/05/20 01:13 AM

That looks really nice, saying "SHOOT ME".

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: DarylS]
#340906 - 10/05/20 01:27 AM

Thanks Daryl.

Its a rare duck in these parts of the world.

The .500ex caliber seems to be the ".375 HH" of the victorian times. I have a few articals where hunters bring these guns back to modern day safari and bring down buffalo with 'em...a 440grain lead plug @ 1800 ft/sec is still dangerous for most 4 legged beast.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#340908 - 10/05/20 02:29 AM

That is a very nice clean example, those bores look about "as new".....you will be all set for Tiger and Asian Gaur!
The 440 grain bullet (cast 1:16) NfB load out of my .500 3" Ingram will shoot through a 1/4" mild steel plate......

The gunroom at Cogswell & Harrison are very happy to search their records and give you details. (for a price of course)
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#340931 - 10/05/20 07:28 AM

Hi Jens
Another excellent rifle!

Love the percussion style fences

The high hammers would lead towards 1870s+ but rebounding locks a little later

The .500 express at that time was more likely to be for India, Africa tending to be a little later or larger bores for dangerous game and the .450s for thin skinned game

I sold my only .500 double some time ago and only have a single shot in that calibre now

There are two on Gunstar but neither appeals especially now would have to be bought unseen but could be tempted! except for the cash spent on the .450 - 3 1/4" Lancaster q.v.

Good that you got it locally, range reports expected as soon as coronavirus allows!

Good luck shooting and thanks for showing

Tony

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: TH44]
#340955 - 11/05/20 12:12 AM

Very nice!

We have handgun hunters usind .500/440 bullets at about 1400fps taking Cape Buffalo, Asian Buffalo, and many other large bovine game.
Very effective.

I look forward to seeing your range report.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: tinker]
#340957 - 11/05/20 12:33 AM

Tinker's correct. I've taken a stink bull giraffe and a lion with my S&W 500 using 440-grain hardhats bullets at 1350 fps.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: poprivit]
#345217 - 20/09/20 11:14 PM

Finally got the rifle home.

The rifle has 28" barrels.
The chambers are 3".
Twist is 1:41.
Weight is 3,95kg or 8,70 ibs.

I have ordered a 430grain mold and a 380grain mold in .506"

I went shooting some 440grain grainers here yesterday which regulates perfect in my friends H&H .500 3" express but was "ok" in mine but left room for improvement.

As I read in the older gunbooks of the 1880s period the.500ex 3" was a 5drammer regulated for the 360grain express Hollowpoints. I think the twistratio also dictates a lighter weight bullet.

The funny thing on this gun that it says nothing on what caliber except for "39". When 3inch and 3 1/4" ammunition was available at that time they could atleast have helped the sportsman to inscribe the type of ammunition the gun was made for. H&H was just about always kind to put it on their guns.

Edited by rigbymauser (20/09/20 11:18 PM)

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#345218 - 20/09/20 11:51 PM

Here a comparison with a H&H.500express made in 1884

The Cogswell & Harrison was a slight larger dimensionwise than the H&H. A little thicker chamberwalls, wider breech.

When saying all these were made in Birmingham might be true but definatly by different people or companies. If one see the images the lumbs , locking and foreends differ.

Marking in the forend of the Cogswell

Edited by rigbymauser (20/09/20 11:56 PM)

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#345220 - 21/09/20 02:54 AM

Nice- when I saw the 41" rate of twist, immediate thought was that the lighter bullet should shoot better and likely regulated for something in that weight rage.
Reading on, I noted the 360gr. HP statement.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: DarylS]
#345229 - 21/09/20 06:42 AM

.500's for Black Powder were typically 340 grain hollow nose or 380 grain solid. I did read somewhere that Westley-Richards even had some that used as light as 300 grain hollow nose.

Holland and Holland did build .500 BP Express rifles meant for 440 grain bullets........ heavier than "standard". This could account for your friends H&H shooting well with the 440 grain bullets.

My Charles Ingram and James Burrow .500 3" Express rifles regulate well with a 440 grain bullet when using "Nitro for Black" loads as in Graeme Wright's book. (not so much with black powder). The Ingram does well with paper patch or grease groove bullets.....The Burrow only likes grease groove bullets.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 3DogMike]
#345548 - 05/10/20 02:32 AM

Thanks Mike.

I slugged the bore here the other day and then measured the max diameter.
The max diameter was .512inch.

I have ordered an express bulletmold at Steve Brooks. He does a wonders when looking for a mold that does an authentic profile.
The center one have I ordered with a gascheck. Iasked for 370-380grain in solid and 350grain in hollowpoint in .512inch diameter.

I would like to try to have a hollowpoint mold where the cavity has the profile of the .22short case so the rim goes flush with the meplat. The would add high cool factor.

Edited by rigbymauser (05/10/20 02:43 AM)

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#345551 - 05/10/20 02:56 AM

Definitely cool factor!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: tinker]
#345552 - 05/10/20 03:25 AM

Yes - for a copper tube bullet, to slow expansion some. It would need a stepped plunger pin & quite a meplat on the nose.
It would be more doable if you had a die to straighten out the .22 Short cases to remove the rim.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: DarylS]
#345556 - 05/10/20 04:11 AM

Hey Daryl.

I guess you`re right...unless I want ignition on impact...:LOL.

I read somewhere the old Gould bullet .457cal 330grain(or was it the.50ex WCF) had a cavity where a .22short cartridge could be inserted.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#345559 - 05/10/20 04:18 AM

My mould of that bullet (#457122 I think) has way too small a hole for a .22 case.
Might have been the .50 WCF mould. That one I don't have.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: DarylS]
#345569 - 05/10/20 08:28 AM

Back in the 1960s, Dixie sold a .577" minie that had a nose cavity that would tale a 22 blank.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 85lc]
#345573 - 05/10/20 11:57 AM

Back in the 70's I had a Remington sold Italian Zouave .58 for which I bored the noses of the minnies out on. My 505gr. mould cast oversize, right at .580", so I modified the plunger and made them almost solid with a very short thick skirt. They came out at 600gr.+ - I do not remember exactly. I would bore out the noses, roughly 3/8" and 3/8" deep, then fill the cavity with a compound of 5 parts Potassium Clorate, I part sublimed (flour of)sulphur, 1 part ground up briquettes. Mixed in a slurry, then dried.
Anyway, sealed over with beeswax and very carefully loaded, 3 shots would cut off a 12" aspen(poplar).

After I found out (from a chemist) if mixed in a slurry, that formula became very sensitive to detonating for seemingly no reason, I quit using it. Apparently if not mixed in a slurry it is more stable. I quit it's use and did not test that.
Apparently the formula was made illegal in Great Britain in 1898 due to it's instability, however, for years that formula was used in pill locks and tube locks as simple percussion, resulting in compression would set it off.

Good stuff, maybe not.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: DarylS]
#345581 - 05/10/20 01:04 PM

The problem I see with this otherwise interesting concept is that one cannot test that G-force will not detonate the compound without putting ones barrel at risk!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: Marrakai]
#345588 - 06/10/20 01:05 AM

A hollowpoint that will fit a shotgunprimer would also do...

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: Marrakai]
#345591 - 06/10/20 03:08 AM

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The problem I see with this otherwise interesting concept is that one cannot test that G-force will not detonate the compound without putting ones barrel at risk!

Yes - that is why I stopped using that compound, Marrakai. Too, it was noted that even a change in temperature might set it off. Perhaps that was going a bit far, but it was quite energetic.
A chunk the size of a "split" pea on the anvil of my 5" bench vice, would throw the hammer up over shoulder height.
The chemist noted that my use of flour of sulphur(sublimed) not ground sulphur as well as ground briquets instead of the called-for charcoal would also have added some chemicals and refinement which could also alter the compound's stability problems, either way.
The compound was also very corrosive as I used it in the tap-o-caps (aluminum home made percussion caps? on the ML. The cap flash actually pitted the barrel around the nipple drum and barrel of the rifle barrel I used the caps on. They were really good hot caps, too. Never had a miss-fire with them. I always cleaned the barrel the day it was used, as well. That chlorate is very corrosive.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: DarylS]
#346216 - 27/10/20 02:54 AM

Steve Brook has made a copy of a HP 340grain of the 1880s I found in a book.
At 1900 ft/sec It`LL be a blaster on smaller deer..

Edited by rigbymauser (27/10/20 05:21 AM)

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#346217 - 27/10/20 03:22 AM

Looks like a good bullet, for sure.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: DarylS]
#347241 - 28/11/20 12:55 AM

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#347246 - 28/11/20 04:27 AM

Heck of a hollow point in that one. It would even work well if solid with the fairly large flat point.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: DarylS]
#347252 - 28/11/20 05:33 AM

Yes, that hollow point is huge and deep.
You could drink from it.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: tinker]
#347254 - 28/11/20 06:25 AM

My intension with this rifle is to take it to Africa hunting warthogs to kudu. Heavier game like kudu will natually get a solid.

Warthogs, impalas and that size gets “hollowed”

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#347282 - 29/11/20 08:42 AM

Quote:

My intension with this rifle is to take it to Africa hunting warthogs to kudu. Heavier game like kudu will natually get a solid.

Warthogs, impalas and that size gets “hollowed”

That sounds like a great idea! Please post a summary of your trip here when you return!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: vandeusenps]
#350430 - 17/02/21 05:59 AM

I have started load developments for this gun. I have realized how 2grains of smokeless powder can change a grouping at 100m dramaticly. I can not post pictures these days as my computer is broke and Imgur doesn’t accept my iPad or cellphone.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#350438 - 17/02/21 08:47 AM

Great fun for you!
Out of curiosity, what powder and load are you trying? As well what mix of bullet metal are you using?

I'm PM'ing my email address if you want to email some pictures I can post via IMGUR for you.
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 3DogMike]
#350439 - 17/02/21 08:57 AM

Quote:

Great fun for you!
Out of curiosity, what powder and load are you trying? As well what mix of bullet metal are you using?

I'm PM'ing my email address if you want to email some pictures I can post via IMGUR for you.
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I use Norma 200. The alloy is 5% tin 95% lead.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#350441 - 17/02/21 09:36 AM

Cheers Jens, here you go.
Nice rifle and good 1st efforts with the loads.
- Mike

8 shots at 100 meters
Brass formed from shortened .470NE, 370 grain bullet of 1-20 tin/lead, foam backer rod.
54 grains of N200

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 3DogMike]
#350442 - 17/02/21 09:44 AM

100 meter load reduced 2 grains to 52 grains N200 with the 370 grain SWC

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 3DogMike]
#350443 - 17/02/21 09:45 AM

Thanks Mike.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#350444 - 17/02/21 09:47 AM

Snow & freezing cold here, no target shooting for me!
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 3DogMike]
#350901 - 28/02/21 02:41 AM

Here's Jens' latest group, his caption is "getting closer to something useful now".
Not marked as to which are rights and lefts, but assuming still shooting a bit apart?
Looks like a very acceptable 100meter group to me.

These days my old(ish) eyes would be quite happy if I did that 100meter group with express sights.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 3DogMike]
#350903 - 28/02/21 03:01 AM

Thanks Mike.

No..I havent yet ‘marked’ left or right...but I will.

I must also start chronographing.

I can tell there is a slight slowdown coming from 54grain to 51grain of N0rma 200. When shooting these last loads I can detect the bullet impact. The 54grain loads the bang and bulletimpact goes into ‘one’.

Yes...things are starting to look right. I will soon try the roundnosed HPs. Maybe the roundnosed bullet shows better results as that was the original style bullet used for this type of the 1880s doublerifle.

Point of aim is still ‘6’ at six O’clock using ironsights.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#350904 - 28/02/21 03:50 AM

When I had a .500 I found that the 440 gr. gas check Lee mould for the .500 S&W which drops bullets at about .501” would work well in Nitro for Black loads if paper patched up to .512”.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: Parabola]
#350905 - 28/02/21 04:39 AM

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When I had a .500 I found that the 440 gr. gas check Lee mould for the .500 S&W which drops bullets at about .501” would work well in Nitro for Black loads if paper patched up to .512”.

I have tried a few different 440grains but no succes. Also in combination with different powders. Simply spreads too much.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#351179 - 07/03/21 03:11 PM

Hi Jens,
I have finally gotten to check the twist on my Ingram .500BPE and the barrels are 1 turn in 41" as best I can measure.
Barrels are 28" and the rifle weighs 8lbs 10oz. Proof marks indicate some time after 1887.

interestingly enough my rifle does quite well with a 440 grain paper patch bullet and 58 grains of H4198, backer rod, and Federal 215 primers. Have not chronographed that load.
The bullets are cast of 1-20 from a Tom Ballard adjustable mould and are patched to ~ .509" diameter with Onion Skin paper, thin smear of SPG lube on the paper patch. I put one .515" punched out "milk carton" wad under the bullet to protect the base and paper patch.
Groups (2 rights, 2 lefts) run about 2 1/2' at 50 yards. I don't have a suitable 100 yard setup, perhaps the shots would spread apart at that range?
I more often shoot 365 grain gas check .510' diameter grooved bullets with the same powder charge.
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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 3DogMike]
#351187 - 07/03/21 03:58 PM

8lbs 10oz with 28" tubes

That must handle nicely

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: tinker]
#351201 - 07/03/21 08:08 PM

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8lbs 10oz with 28" tubes

That must handle nicely

It does. Min is about there too.

Mike:

Mine has the same twist but dislike 440grain.

My 52 grain load with Norma powder and 370grain has been chronographed in a HH .500 to 495 m/sec(1624 ft/sec). My 51 grain load however is the best.
I wonder if my rifle regulates with a 370grain SWC style bullet @ 1600 ft/sec, wich is very sweet to shoot with is that gun ever could regulate with load going any faster?.

The SWC style bullet I use now ofcouse has different flightcharacteristics than a traditional roundnose has and maybe my 340 HPs can be driven up to a regulating speed of 1800 ft/sec?...or in reality the velocities given in the books of the 1890s were really not the correct velocities?....It won’t be long before I have some 340grain HPs casted and the target will tell the truth.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#351207 - 08/03/21 01:38 AM

Tinker:
The Ingram does balance and swing really well. I find that I very much like the 28” barrels and about 8-9 lb weight of the vintage .450’s and .500’s, they hang just so.......and to me look more elegant than a shorter barrel.

Jens,
“....... ...or in reality the velocities given in the books of the 1890s were really not the correct velocities?.......”

My suspicion would be that, just like advertising today, the original velocity claims were “enhanced” a bit (or rounded up).

I have a few sources (Winfer is one) that mention 30” barrels were the standard for test in the Victorian/Edwardian era, the extra length over 26” or 28” could account for some the higher velocity claims.

Even vintage Nitro Express rifles often regulate nicely at lower speeds than claimed by Kynoch/Eley.

With these wonderful old rifles so much is now just mystery that is lost to the mists of time.
- Mike

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 3DogMike]
#351209 - 08/03/21 02:48 AM

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Even vintage Nitro Express rifles often regulate nicely at lower speeds than claimed by Kynoch/Eley.

With these wonderful old rifles so much is now just mystery that is lost to the mists of time.
- Mike

Well..as discussed before...these old rifle takes a different approach than a modern high powered rifles that in general shoot accurate. Also one has to be in love with the era these old guns represents plus aquire knowledge too to see what you are buying. Then comes reloading technics etc.

These guns we like here on this forum is depended we like the history or era..just like Winchesters and Colts. Otherwise it will die out slowly. I can image all these blackpowder express hammerrifles in the 1940s were just standing here and there in homes being moved around for no activity to either been thrown out or ended as wallhangers with no value at all. Some might were kept as a family piece back then from some uncle or grandfather who used it in the colonies..but it hadn’ t been shot in 50 years time.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 3DogMike]
#351292 - 11/03/21 01:51 AM

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My suspicion would be that, just like advertising today, the original velocity claims were “enhanced” a bit (or rounded up).

Come on Mike, I really believe the 300 yard leaf, 400 yard leaf and 500 yard leaf on my .450 NE were used a lot in the old days for accurate game sniping.

They weren't there for marketing PR at all.

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- Mike

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: rigbymauser]
#351293 - 11/03/21 01:56 AM

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These guns we like here on this forum is depended we like the history or era..just like Winchesters and Colts. Otherwise it will die out slowly. I can image all these blackpowder express hammerrifles in the 1940s were just standing here and there in homes being moved around for no activity to either been thrown out or ended as wallhangers with no value at all. Some might were kept as a family piece back then from some uncle or grandfather who used it in the colonies..but it hadn’ t been shot in 50 years time.

Right up to the late 1980's and early 1990's they were available for very low prices, a thousand $A to maybe three or four times that. For the better ones, now a multiple up to twenty times to forty times those prices, depenging on the starting price.

I remember looking at a .375 H&H Mag German made side by side for $A1,300. Maybe early 1980s, 1983? That one still hurts. And bought a $400 M98 .30-06 instead. Just like now, I want a scope option on the .375, and it had no mount fittings. Plus the money for someone a yar or two out of high school. Still hurts though.

I have a couple of hammer double rifles now. Both need to be used.

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: NitroX]
#351324 - 11/03/21 10:46 PM

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......I remember looking at a .375 H&H Mag German made side by side for $A1,300. Maybe early 1980s, 1983? That one still hurts. And bought a $400 M98 .30-06 instead. Just like now, I want a scope option on the .375, and it had no mount fittings. Plus the money for someone a yar or two out of high school. Still hurts though.......

You will be kicking yourself every day until you get one John.....its the only way you'll ever forgive yourself for that blunder mate!

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Re: Cogswell & Harrison.500 express, London. [Re: 93x64mm]
#351356 - 12/03/21 03:14 PM

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......I remember looking at a .375 H&H Mag German made side by side for $A1,300. Maybe early 1980s, 1983? That one still hurts.

Oops error, it was A$1,100.

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