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greyhoundzr1
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Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles
#31100 - 14/05/05 11:31 AM

Shopping for my first double, med bore would give the most use for me now, ran across two, a Wulf (Wolf) and Son's in 9.3 x 74R and Bernadelli in 375 H&H (too bad not a flanged). Shop is asking ~7500 each.

Have done some research on the makers, not really finding much.

Any feedback on them appreciated.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: greyhoundzr1]
#31102 - 14/05/05 11:45 AM

Are these two rifles on the ivory beads site.If so I have handled both at the vegas show and was not impressed with either.Take a look in the "for sale" section of this forum there is a used searcy for 6k in 375 fl

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: greyhoundzr1]
#31162 - 15/05/05 04:58 AM

Hi Greyhounddzr1

You are looking at common arms.

Bernardelli is into everything from Alfa Romeo to Galil machine gun. Here is the link : bernardelli

Wolf and sons are another story. Not easy job to track them down. In my tremendously narrow subconscious I placed them just on the same boxing weight that Merkel, a genuine maker in Suhl, Germany. Not sure they are still producing guns. A dusty ancient company. I am no specialist, but do not dismiss this maker, perhaps you have bumped into a real rarity

. Now we need help from everybody.
the link : Wolf and sons
Pity it's only in German language. If I can help, feel free.
Good luck

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greyhoundzr1
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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: larcher]
#31168 - 15/05/05 08:39 AM

Guys,

Thanks for the info and thoughts...

For my first double, I'm probably better off sticking with Searcy, Merkal or Krieghoff as these fall in my budget and have an established support network.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: greyhoundzr1]
#31171 - 15/05/05 10:36 AM

The nice thing about Butch is that you can drive up and talk to him. Try that with Krieghoff.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: greyhoundzr1]
#31175 - 15/05/05 11:27 AM

In reply to:

For my first double, I'm probably better off sticking with Searcy, Merkal or Krieghoff as these fall in my budget and have an established support network.

Go with the Searcy...The support from Butch is UNMATCHED.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: Oldsarge]
#31177 - 15/05/05 11:29 AM

In reply to:

The nice thing about Butch is that you can drive up and talk to him. Try that with Krieghoff.

AMEN, Sarge...

Try getting the OWNER of any other DR manufacture to spend with you AFTER you bought a rifle, let alone BEFORE you ploped down some big $$$$...Butch is in a league of his own with very little company, IMHO.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: greyhoundzr1]
#31179 - 15/05/05 11:44 AM

I have not seen the rifles in question, but $7500 seems way too rich for a 9.3 x 74 from a secondary maker. Keep looking.

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greyhoundzr1
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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: 500grains]
#31181 - 15/05/05 11:55 AM

Again, appreicate the additional input and thanks for letting me pull from the experience of the "board".

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: Oldsarge]
#31232 - 16/05/05 07:47 AM

In reply to:

The nice thing about Butch is that you can drive up and talk to him. Try that with Krieghoff.

Oldsarge, I did ust that. I was looking for a used double and drove to Krieghoff International in Pa. They were close to drive to, easy to talk to and very accomadating. Regardless of the different opinions here, what swayed me most into buying a Krieghoff was the fact that I could drive there, talk to them and bring my gun in for any repairs that it may need.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: foxfire]
#31234 - 16/05/05 09:24 AM

Well good! I happen to be within 3 hours of Butch so you can see the difference location makes.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: foxfire]
#31235 - 16/05/05 09:29 AM

I agree with foxfire. A hunting partner of mine bought a .500/.416 Krieghoff several years ago and has since added 20 gauge, 7 X 65R and .375 Flanged Magnum barrels, plus other modifications. While I am not a fan of the Krieghoff double rifles, they are very accurate and Krieghoff USA's service is superb. Better than being stuck with a Searcy.
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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: 400NitroExpress]
#31236 - 16/05/05 09:45 AM

My thumb is not strong enough to push that queer cocking thingie in place of a safety on the Krieghoff. Also, I think that cocking thingie will be slower to operate in an emergency (or any other time) than a traditional safety.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: 500grains]
#31244 - 16/05/05 01:24 PM

I've never owned any other double rifle before my Krieghoff so that queer cocking thingy doesn't seem to have any ill effect on me. It works well and follow up shots are easier as it doesn't automatically go back to safe when broken open and recocks automatically.

The issue about fast seems to have a few questions. It appears that when the average hunter is getting into a dangerous situation you "almost" always know it in advance. Stalking a dangerous and or wounded animal has you high on adrenalin, hand and rifle in the ready position. It seems that the cocking lever is effortless.

It also appears that far more guns have safety's that don't work in the heat of the moment. Krieghoffs may appear difficult but they work and don't take a lot to get use to.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: foxfire]
#31247 - 16/05/05 04:25 PM

What's happened to the discussion on Bernadelli's and Wolf's?

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: NitroX]
#31258 - 16/05/05 09:04 PM

Sometimes discussions go a stray. Sorry for the thread jack.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: greyhoundzr1]
#31561 - 20/05/05 07:34 AM

I had a bernardelli double cal 375 h&h. Is a good gun. I hunted Buffalo in Zimbabwe and Bison in Canada ( minus 20 celsius) with any problems. Also many wild boars. The rifle must use the rws the ks 300 grains, but is also good with the rws full metal jacket.
In Italy a new gun is sold for about 8.000 Euros. Maybe 7500 US for a used gun is quite expensive.
Off course is not the best express rifle, but for the first express is a good choice, and for hunting is excellent.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: greyhoundzr1]
#31708 - 22/05/05 08:12 AM

greyhoundzr1 .... you have a PM.

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greyhoundzr1
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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: DBBill]
#31973 - 25/05/05 03:04 PM

Update- have appointment with Mr. Butch Searcy in Boron, California next week to finalize my order....Butch said I can pick through his wood "pile".... just 1.5 hours away by car!!

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: Mario]
#31975 - 25/05/05 03:53 PM

Mario

So you had no problem using your double in freezing conditions?

Also this 300 gr RWS Kegelspitz (cone-points) shoot very well in my bolt action, are very accurate, and have a great trajectory but are a damned soft bullet.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: NitroX]
#31979 - 25/05/05 04:55 PM

off course.Absolutely no problem. During the hunt, I jumped out many times from the motorsnow, and sometimes the rifle was plenty of snow and ice. But when I have fired, all was ok.
Yes the KS are quite soft, but for the american buffalo I think are good. With one shot I have killed a big bull shot at the shoulder ( distance 60meters), and the bullet go through all is big body and go out on the other side.
With the cape buffalo is another story. You must ues the full metal. But for my experience, in the Bernardelli the impact point dont change with the RWS VM.

Unfortunately, few year ago the Bernardelli company made bankrupt. Now the marker was buyed from a turkish company, the prices increase, and I suspect the quality of the guns is not the same. So if someone want buy a Bernardelli's rifle or shotgun musk check if the gun was built before the years 1996/1997.

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Re: Bernadelli and Wulf and Son's SXS Doubles [Re: Mario]
#32010 - 26/05/05 03:49 AM

Mario

Thanks for the info. Interesting.

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