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nitro450exp
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I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend.
      #303636 - 04/08/17 07:49 PM

Hello the crew.

Well it looks like I own a WW Greener 12 Bore rifle.
I was at the Game Fair in London over the weekend, and a WW Greener 12 Bore rifle followed me home.

Hammer Gun
Damascus Steel Barrels
Recent Birmingham nitro proof
Jones underlever
Fully rifled bores
3 Leaf sight.
12x65 chambers
Antique (Pre 1898 )

Now what?

Anybody got any info ?

I have sent an email to Graham Greener, but gun came with no info.
So bullet weight and style and dram requirements are a mystery.

Should be fun.

Nitro







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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: nitro450exp]
      #303641 - 04/08/17 08:53 PM

Terrible terrible man.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: NitroX]
      #303661 - 05/08/17 01:26 AM

Wow! I would first check the rifling twist rate. That and the gun weight will tell you if it is a round ball gun or a elongated bullet.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: cordite]
      #303663 - 05/08/17 01:52 AM

WOW - am excited to find out 'things' about this rifle!

At the muzzles, the twist appears quite slow with no discernible angle so I suspect (hope) for round ball twist.

WW Greener knew well about rifling matching the projectiles - as well as chokes.

Sweet! It's been well cared for.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: DarylS]
      #303668 - 05/08/17 02:39 AM

Now that is a very nice find.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: Bidgee]
      #303677 - 05/08/17 05:12 AM

Lucky Dog.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: Wayne59]
      #303684 - 05/08/17 07:38 AM

Looks sweet!
Can't wait to see the load work up for this wee beast!

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: Iowa_303s]
      #303690 - 05/08/17 09:07 AM

Excellent condition bore rifle - it looks quite early with those hammers, I have a Howdah pistol (posted somewhere here) with similar - these early doubles are most attractive, you have a gem!

I am sure you will have much fun getting a good load for it, Daryl's Round Ball loads may be a good start

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: TH44]
      #303703 - 05/08/17 02:55 PM

That's one great looking DR! You're lucky to be chosen by this old lady. And the quest for the right load could be more interesting than the result.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: Sportingbookworm]
      #303725 - 06/08/17 07:04 AM

Very nice indeed, enjoy!

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: NZHunter]
      #303728 - 06/08/17 07:40 AM

Possession is 9/10 of the law, so it's too late to take it back now!
Certainly have a few of us interested as to what this ol' girl can really do.
Daryl will certainly give you a load once he know a bit more info.
TH44 nailed it - "these early doubles are most attractive, you have a gem!"!
Lovey piece of kit matey!


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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #303772 - 07/08/17 01:00 AM

Well guys

Thanks for all the comments and info and offers of help.
Now the long process of getting her home.
And then me getting home too, i still have a year on my contract in Europe.
Then the fun begins.
Maybe I can find this Grand lady a European friend before i cross the pond for the last time.

Nitro

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: nitro450exp]
      #303775 - 07/08/17 01:25 AM

Just mail her to me and I'll have a great load for it by the time you get Stateside. Then, you can visit, we'll hunt and you take her home???? Great idea, eh?

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: DarylS]
      #303780 - 07/08/17 01:49 AM

Daryl

Tempting, but then i miss all the fun.
I swear i buy these obscure guns just for the challenge of making them shoot.

I still have a ton of work to do on my 20 Bore.

Nitro

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: nitro450exp]
      #303785 - 07/08/17 04:01 AM

Another member with the same disease that I am afflicted with.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: Wayne59]
      #304009 - 13/08/17 08:52 AM

Nice find! I have never seen anything like that one before and it sure looks to be in excellent condition.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: Watson577]
      #306024 - 06/10/17 12:33 AM

She is waiting on export permit at the exporter.



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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: nitro450exp]
      #306029 - 06/10/17 05:10 AM

shocking!

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: lancaster]
      #306030 - 06/10/17 05:17 AM

That is going to be fun.

Should there not be info on the table or underside of the tubes at least for what it was proofed for?

Greener's original stamping should also be there as well, I'd think.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: DarylS]
      #306048 - 06/10/17 08:07 PM

Unfortunately not.
In a 2015 Christies listing it says 4 Dramms of powder incribed in barrel.
but my recollection is nothing on barrels or watertable.
Just BP proofs and the new NP proofs.

No problem all partof the adventure.

Nitro

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: nitro450exp]
      #306063 - 07/10/17 02:27 AM

I wonder who's closet that's been hiding in all these years, beautiful!!
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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: nitro450exp]
      #306066 - 07/10/17 04:52 AM

Quote:

Unfortunately not.
In a 2015 Christies listing it says 4 Dramms of powder incribed in barrel.
but my recollection is nothing on barrels or watertable.
Just BP proofs and the new NP proofs.

No problem all partof the adventure.

Nitro




Yes - it will be fun!

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: DarylS]
      #306138 - 09/10/17 11:49 AM

That is one lovely rifle. You can send it to me, and I will have it in its best behavior by the time you return to the U.S.

Wonderful rifle!

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: CptCurl]
      #306139 - 09/10/17 12:00 PM

4 drams would make an excellent deer, hog and black bear load - using Swiss 1 1/2F, of course. That is only 109gr.
Appears an early gun, so likely for round ball?
Sure nice looking colour case on the action.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: DarylS]
      #306192 - 10/10/17 12:48 PM

aren't u guys in michigan stuck with using slugS? if so bet it would be legal. great looking rifle

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: ducmarc]
      #306241 - 12/10/17 12:14 AM

Ducmarc

Exactly, it will be my new deer gun, I had a custom 20ga bore rifle built a few years ago, on a Simson 16ga action. Beautiful gun, but when i saw this old dame, I was smitten and decided the deer of MI deserve the honour of being harvested with this.

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: nitro450exp]
      #306363 - 13/10/17 02:09 PM

Great find! Looks like a bunch of fun coming your way. Do post reports of load development and of course that of the day you harvest your first MI whitetail with it.

Cheers!

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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: nitro450exp]
      #306413 - 14/10/17 01:10 PM

My recollection is the intended dram weight charge for a quality bore rifle can be determined from the weight of the gun. I know I have seen a chart or table somewhere, maybe in Greener's book? Anyone recall seeing this?

Nice double, hopefully it is true and unchanged and still functions as new. Looks like an excellent candidate. Well Done.


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Re: I did a bad thing at the Game Fair in London last weekend. [Re: CommandCar]
      #306416 - 14/10/17 02:25 PM

I would start with 3 drams and go up form there, 1/2 dram at a time, with round balls.

I do not recall the text CommandCar speaks of. That does not mean it is not in the book, just that I do not recall it.

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