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xausa
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W-R .577/.500
      #295007 - 10/02/17 04:25 AM

One of our members is liquidating part of his collection and among the offerings is a W-R in .577/.500, should anyone be interested. http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?IncludeSellers=25187

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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: xausa]
      #295019 - 10/02/17 07:12 AM

What a wonderful old piece that is!
Hope one of you guys gets it - grouping looks good too!
Capt Curl might have his eye on this one???

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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #295064 - 11/02/17 02:52 AM

Great cartridge! I've had a similar double by Jos. Manton for over 30 years and love it. My loads are very close to his with similar groups. Knocks the poop out of deer and pigs!
Best.

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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: 50Calshtr]
      #295331 - 16/02/17 04:57 AM

Just to be precise and no confusion by the "W-R" subject description: the rifle is not a "Westley Richards"
It is a W. Richards of Liverpool, whole different lesser known maker, tho still a first quality Brit gun maker.
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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #295356 - 16/02/17 09:56 AM

William Richards is the Great Grandfather to Westley Richards.

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3DogMike
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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: buckstix]
      #295371 - 16/02/17 01:38 PM

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William Richards is the Great Grandfather to Westley Richards.


Right you are! Lots of inter related gunmaking houses in those days......
Very nice looking rifle too.
- Mike

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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #295408 - 17/02/17 02:41 AM

So who won this beauty?????

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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: Longknife]
      #295421 - 17/02/17 06:08 AM

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So who won this beauty?????


'Twas I.......
As soon as it arrives I will post more info & try to get photobucket to cooperate so I can post more pictures.
- Mike

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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: buckstix]
      #295422 - 17/02/17 06:33 AM

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William Richards is the Great Grandfather to Westley Richards.



Didn't the company owned by William Richards go to Westley and the name change to Westley Richards?
Of course all long before this rifle was made?

I agree with 3dogmike on this one.
Good looking gun though and a good buy I think.

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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: Huvius]
      #295429 - 17/02/17 10:39 AM

According to the present "W. Richards" they have been a separate name and business since founding:
http://www.wrichardsguns.co.uk/history.html

I plan to contact them to see if they still have the old records relevant to this rifle.
- Mike


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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #295436 - 17/02/17 01:27 PM

Well now we surely need to get together to shoot our 577 and 500 No.2 doubles!
Looking forward to your report.
I know Buckstix knows how to get a gun to shoot so his load is probably what it wants to be fed.

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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: Huvius]
      #295448 - 18/02/17 04:08 AM

Ben,
A big boomer get together would be great! Order up some warmer weather........maybe after ski season.
I will be interested to try the .577/.500 #2, I already have a decent supply of 350 grain and 440 grain 1-30 lead paper patch .50's to duplicate original BP with Swiss 1 1/2 and NfB loads with H4198

The Buckstix load noted on that target is right in the ballpark.
- Mike

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Re: W-R .577/.500 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #295726 - 23/02/17 03:44 PM

Expect this one to be delivered late tomorrow afternoon! Can't wait.
Have to get busy casting some .50 440grain Paper Patch to duplicate the common NfB load. I'm hoping for nicer weather so I can do more than see if it goes "bang".....
- Mike

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
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-- W. C. Fields

Edited by 3DogMike (23/02/17 03:47 PM)

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W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #295778 - 24/02/17 03:55 PM

Rifle delivered this afternoon; only a few pictures because my internet and PhotoBucket are mostly at odds these days.

Circa 1876; non-rebounding locks, Jones underlever (LOG), wedge forend fastener. Tight & on face action, pristeen Henry rifled bores, wood and metal not been mucked with. Engraving is a bit simpler compared to the better grade & more mainstream names.
Dies and 20 Bertram brass included so I can get busy and load some test rounds.
One sample round made up with a 440 grain PP bullet.

Black bear next season?

More in the next couple of days.
- Mike

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
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“Always carry a flask of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake."
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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #295836 - 25/02/17 08:27 AM

Quote:

Rifle delivered this afternoon; only a few pictures because my internet and PhotoBucket are mostly at odds these days.

Circa 1876; non-rebounding locks, Jones underlever (LOG), wedge forend fastener. Tight & on face action, pristeen Henry rifled bores, wood and metal not been mucked with. Engraving is a bit simpler compared to the better grade & more mainstream names.
Dies and 20 Bertram brass included so I can get busy and load some test rounds.
One sample round made up with a 440 grain PP bullet.

Black bear next season?

More in the next couple of days.
- Mike




3DM,
that is one of the most impressive pieces of kit that I've seen!
An heirloom that's for sure & in what appears to be all but perfect condition!
The engraving I particularly enjoy as its embellishes rather than 'shows off' the rifle!
Black bears better be on the list mate, this rifle was made for that type of game.
Next year is a fair way off yet mate so better get cracking on those loads for us to see what this piece can do!
I like the PP round mate, that the same size weigh mine turn out for my .500.
(Ruger No1 so is isn't in this class at all)
Certainly gone to a good home, we're all envious!
With a rifle this good, you will have to get the case restored to is former glory as well with all the snap caps, turnkeys, oil bottles etc!
93x64mm

Edited by 93x64mm (25/02/17 08:32 AM)

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #295843 - 25/02/17 09:30 AM

Mike,

That's a beautiful rifle and it looks to be in excellent condition. Congratulations on your purchase! Please add more photos when you get a chance

Cheers,

Jim

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: Watson577]
      #295856 - 25/02/17 02:59 PM

Plus one for the condition, the rose and scroll engraving is my preference, certainly nicer than a plain rifle

It is in better condition than my .577/500 Rodda double that was cut down (posted as Howdah rifle? In DR archive)

I have not shot it yet (this is the uk!!) but the dealer said it shot well, albeit leaving him with a sore shoulder after 20 rounds

Good luck with your shooting, more pics and loads please!

Tony

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: TH44]
      #296119 - 03/03/17 04:07 AM

Cold Season update:
It's 0°F (-17C) in the mornings and variously about a foot of snow where I shoot, too cold for me!
Sooo, it has been time to cast up some bullets and get them patched.

440grain solid from an older Tom Ballard adjustable mould and 340grain hollow point from a Steve Brooks mould. Cast from 1:30 sourced from Buffalo Arms. They also have the 100% rag .002" onionskin patching paper.

Waiting for a custom shellholder from RCBS before I get much farther.
- Mike

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #296120 - 03/03/17 04:14 AM

Oh boy - fun ahead - what a beautiful NA big game hunting rifle!
Wyoming buffalo would be a nice addition to it's bag.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: TH44]
      #296121 - 03/03/17 04:15 AM

Quote:

Plus one for the condition, the rose and scroll engraving is my preference, certainly nicer than a plain rifle

It is in better condition than my .577/500 Rodda double that was cut down (posted as Howdah rifle? In DR archive)

I have not shot it yet (this is the uk!!) but the dealer said it shot well, albeit leaving him with a sore shoulder after 20 rounds

Good luck with your shooting, more pics and loads please!

Tony


Tony,
I was in the USAF based at RAF Bentwaters back in '79 thru '81 so I'm sympathetic to your firearms restrictions.......and they have only gotten tougher since I was there.
Recoil is stout on these .500 BP Express if using the full on black powder loads. NfB loads are much more pleasant!
- Mike

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: DarylS]
      #296123 - 03/03/17 04:19 AM

Quote:

Oh boy - fun ahead - what a beautiful NA big game hunting rifle!
Wyoming buffalo would be a nice addition to it's bag.


Hello Daryl,
Now that's a thought! Leave the .50 Shiloh at home and go with the .500
With the typical asking price for a buffalo hunt I think I will terrorise the local Black Bears this coming season.
- Mike

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #296127 - 03/03/17 06:33 AM

Quote:

Cold Season update:
It's 0°F (-17C) in the mornings and variously about a foot of snow where I shoot, too cold for me!
Sooo, it has been time to cast up some bullets and get them patched.

440grain solid from an older Tom Ballard adjustable mould and 340grain hollow point from a Steve Brooks mould. Cast from 1:30 sourced from Buffalo Arms. They also have the 100% rag .002" onionskin patching paper.

Waiting for a custom shellholder from RCBS before I get much farther.
- Mike

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Mike
What are the diameters of the cast bullets?
Have you slugged the barrel? if so what are the dimensions.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: dracb]
      #296129 - 03/03/17 07:10 AM

dracb from BC,

The bare bullets are casting out at ~.501 for the 340g & ~.502 for the 440g so come to .507 and .508 respectively with a 2 wrap patch of onionskin paper.

The bores are 8 groove Henry type by Adams & Tate, actual "bore" at the tops of the lands at breech are ~.498" and muzzle ~.496"
The bottoms of the groove right adjacent to the lands are ~.511" at the muzzle.

Just like the originals I expect the 1:30 slightly "undersized" paper patch bullets will slug up to the barrel nicely. (Or at least they do in my other .500 3" BPE rifles).

I don't have a mould to cast suitable grease groove bullets for the .500 BPE types, "they" say that the Henry type rifling does best with paper patch anyway.
Interestingly enough I have a Cogswell & Harrison single shot in .500/.450 No1 Express with Henry type rifling that shoots astoundingly small groups with the RCBS .458 300g Gas Check bullet cast 1:20 so the conventional wisdom is not always accurate. I have never slugged the bore on that one.
- Mike

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #296136 - 03/03/17 09:21 AM

Something my brother and I did with our 3 1/4" cased black powder .45's, was to use an undersized bullet, that when PATCHED, came to .451", ie: .001" over bore diameter.

Thus, when a lubed paper patched bullet was pushed through the bore, it went easily and was marked only by the lands, just as detailed in Paul Mathews Book, when reprinting - ohhh damn- I've forgotten his name, now - a famous buffalo killer, explaining how bullets should fit the bore AFTER they are patched.

Taylor and I did this and both achieved ALMOST MOA at 100 meters - my Hoch barreled Rolling Block produced 1.3" average, while Taylor's Shiloh gave him 1.5".

The 100gr.2F in my brother's rifle and 122gr.2F in mine effectively slugged the bullets up perfectly.

The really nice aspect of this sort of patching, is that the next ctg. is easily chambered, no matter how much bullet sticks out of the case. As it, with patch, is only bore size, a proper lube on the previous shot leaves the fouling soft - chambering is easy.

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Re: W. Richards .577/.500 No.2 [Re: 3DogMike]
      #301254 - 03/06/17 05:19 PM

Quote:

Cold Season update:
It's 0°F (-17C) in the mornings and variously about a foot of snow where I shoot, too cold for me!
Sooo, it has been time to cast up some bullets and get them patched.

440grain solid from an older Tom Ballard adjustable mould and 340grain hollow point from a Steve Brooks mould. Cast from 1:30 sourced from Buffalo Arms. They also have the 100% rag .002" onionskin patching paper.

Waiting for a custom shellholder from RCBS before I get much farther.
- Mike

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How goes the loading 3DM??

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