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New Jeffery double rifle
      #284197 - 21/06/16 02:56 AM

Pugwash sent me these photos and comments and will answer questions.

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New Jeffery rifle back from stocking.

Its a 450/400 based on an original Leonard built rifle very similar to the Jim Corbett one.









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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #284205 - 21/06/16 04:44 AM

Looks very nice, I just hope they do not engrave it too much.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Igorrock]
      #284210 - 21/06/16 05:04 AM

I like the stocking lines on this rifle too. Nice walnut as well. The metalwork and stocking all looks in balance. It looks like this NEW Jeffery will bring credit to the old rifle name.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #284237 - 21/06/16 10:44 AM

Very nice. Looks like original type eyelets for traditional sling attachments.
Any stock dimensions ?


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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: ozhunter]
      #284245 - 21/06/16 12:37 PM

I have room for its Bro.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: gryphon]
      #284248 - 21/06/16 03:26 PM

Hi Everyone,

Firstly thankyou John for posting the photo's for me.
The rifle will be engraved as the originals were with large scroll and then colour case hardened.The plan was to stick as closely as possible to an original rifle so that the character wasn't lost.
The sling eyelet's are again as the original.I have found a person who will make the vintage gated type sling hooks to match.
Weight wise it comes in at 10 1/4lb as the original.I realised a long time ago that when these rifles were originally made the blokes knew exactly what they were doing.They're impossible to improve upon so why bother trying.
If anyone has any questions please ask away and I'll do my best to answer everything.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #284250 - 21/06/16 04:14 PM

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They're impossible to improve upon so why bother trying.





I`m not so sure on that,there always seems someone on here that 'would rather'

Great rifle and a credit to your skills Pugwash.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #284259 - 21/06/16 08:41 PM

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They're impossible to improve upon so why bother trying.



As a long-time Jeffery .400 owner I have no trouble concurring absolutely with that statement!
The example in my custody is an ejector, 10 pounds even, 24-inch chopper-lump tubes with 3rd bite, made by Charles Leonard in 1939 if I recall the completion date correctly.
I may one day own better rifles, but will go to my grave without owning a better hunting rifle!

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Marrakai]
      #284261 - 21/06/16 10:06 PM

Pugwash....a lovely rifle, very true to the old Jefferys...

Do you have any plans on revival of the snap-actions...in .577 and .600NE..??

That would be the icing on the cake..!


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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: pondoro62]
      #284270 - 22/06/16 01:15 AM

Mark,

No problem posting the photos. Only problem is usually time to do it. Always happy to post photos when I can of interesting rifles especially from new gunmakers. NE is happy to support new and good gunmakers.

You may have told me already. Or on the forums previously. I would have to check. But the files were titled "Woodward and Jeffery". Can you tell us about yourself, the gunmaker, the business etc? Please feel free.

As a Jeffery user, in .450 No. 2 NE, I do like the style, and I also like it, even given my rifle's weight. It has taken a couple elephant, numerous water buffalo, and scrub bulls, pigs, donkeys, a deer or two and other beasties. I reach for it very readily for a hunt. It would take a lot for me to surplant it with something else.

Ha ha, and those beasties are only its legacy during my use of it. If we assume it was made early 1900's - no one has ever dated it for me! - I can only wonder who and for what it was used for in its earlier life. Probably in India.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #284286 - 22/06/16 04:27 AM

Just to answer a couple of the questions asked and give you a bit of background info.

The stock dimensions on this rifle are Length of pull measured from between the triggers is 14 3/4" plus a 1/2" recoil pad.It has been made this long as currently it doesn't have an owner and from this it can be lengthened or shortened to suit most people.Bend at front of comb 1 3/4" off the sights.Bend at the back is 2 1/4".Cast off 1/8" at the top of the stock and 3/16" at the toe.The length of the grip from between the triggers is 4 1/8".It comes up really nicely and will shoot where pointed.

As far as the snap underlever rifles are concerned I would love to make some.I picked up a very rare 450/400 underlever not to long ago to use as a pattern and have a couple of 600's at my disposal to also use as patterns if needed.As with all these things it down to demand.These kind of rifles are expensive to make so to do a small run of say 3,I would have to have some confirmed orders first.At the moment there will only be 3 of these top lever rifles and then we'll see how we go.I am also building a copy of the Fletcher Jaimeson .500 bolt acton rifle.This has been ongoing for a long time but hopefully I will be able to get on with it again soon.It has a Golmatic Magnum Mauser action with a cut rifled 5 groove barrel by Arthur Smith.

Briefly,I have worked as a Gunmaker for almost 37 years now,starting with a 5 year apprenticeship in the machine shop at Holland and Holland.I was taught to action by a ex Boss actioner and spent about 4 years working with him.I won't bore you with all the details but I've also done work for Purdey's,Hartmann and Weiss,Churchills,Dickson's,I spent 12 years working for Peter Nelson,I recently spent 1 1/2 years in Westley Richards helping with their production and training the lads and now I do most of my work for Boss and Co making shotguns.To say I have some experience of best quality guns would be an understatement.

The Jeffery project was something I felt would be a nice thing to do.As already said,these rifles are the best hunting rifles you can get.I would love this to be a roaring success and only build Jeffery rifles and shotguns for the rest of my days,so hopefully once this rifle is finished it will generate the interest to keep W.J.Jeffery in production,making the great firearms it should have been making all along.

Many thanks

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #284288 - 22/06/16 04:41 AM

Holy shit your credentials are fantastic...(doffs lid) Keep on posting those wonderful rifle pics please.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #284295 - 22/06/16 06:10 AM

Quote:

Just to answer a couple of the questions asked and give you a bit of background info.

The stock dimensions on this rifle are Length of pull measured from between the triggers is 14 3/4" plus a 1/2" recoil pad.It has been made this long as currently it doesn't have an owner and from this it can be lengthened or shortened to suit most people.Bend at front of comb 1 3/4" off the sights.Bend at the back is 2 1/4".Cast off 1/8" at the top of the stock and 3/16" at the toe.The length of the grip from between the triggers is 4 1/8".It comes up really nicely and will shoot where pointed.

As far as the snap underlever rifles are concerned I would love to make some.I picked up a very rare 450/400 underlever not to long ago to use as a pattern and have a couple of 600's at my disposal to also use as patterns if needed.As with all these things it down to demand.These kind of rifles are expensive to make so to do a small run of say 3,I would have to have some confirmed orders first.At the moment there will only be 3 of these top lever rifles and then we'll see how we go.I am also building a copy of the Fletcher Jaimeson .500 bolt acton rifle.This has been ongoing for a long time but hopefully I will be able to get on with it again soon.It has a Golmatic Magnum Mauser action with a cut rifled 5 groove barrel by Arthur Smith.

Briefly,I have worked as a Gunmaker for almost 37 years now,starting with a 5 year apprenticeship in the machine shop at Holland and Holland.I was taught to action by a ex Boss actioner and spent about 4 years working with him.I won't bore you with all the details but I've also done work for Purdey's,Hartmann and Weiss,Churchills,Dickson's,I spent 12 years working for Peter Nelson,I recently spent 1 1/2 years in Westley Richards helping with their production and training the lads and now I do most of my work for Boss and Co making shotguns.To say I have some experience of best quality guns would be an understatement.

The Jeffery project was something I felt would be a nice thing to do.As already said,these rifles are the best hunting rifles you can get.I would love this to be a roaring success and only build Jeffery rifles and shotguns for the rest of my days,so hopefully once this rifle is finished it will generate the interest to keep W.J.Jeffery in production,making the great firearms it should have been making all along.

Many thanks

Mark



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I can't imagine the time (hence the necessary expense)to get to the pinnacle of rifle making, especially doubles. Quite frankly I could flit time away quite happily just watching the progress on such a rifle - would be a rare privilege to do so!
Might be a extra income just having folks look (& not touch the tools)to see how such masterpieces are made!
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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: 93x64mm]
      #284327 - 22/06/16 07:02 PM

No expert here but would have thought to retain traditional features you would have more like 2 3/4 at the heal? Please let us know your thoughts.
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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: ozhunter]
      #284329 - 22/06/16 07:20 PM

I've just checked it and it is in fact 2 1/2" at the heal.The stock measurements were what was requested by Jeffery's American Riflemakers at Beuhler custom sporting arms as that is most likely where it will end up.Also the cheekpiece which is also non traditional but these days everyone has to have one.If I'd built the rifle for myself I would have left it off.
Regardless of this the rifle handles extremely well.I'm 5ft 7" tall and of medium build and although a touch on the longside I could use it.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #284330 - 22/06/16 07:46 PM

Beautiful rifle Sir, sadly the Americans have standardised the telescopic sight equiped straight stock even with open sight set rifles .
Cheek pieces are nice but if custom made certainly not necessary. I'm having a 458Lott made at the moment built in the lines of the older Rigby. One of which I recently handled (in 350Rig) and what a beauty to point.
Any photos of the front sight?


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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: ozhunter]
      #284333 - 22/06/16 09:05 PM

Front sight's not finished yet.It was requested with flip forward protector so is a bit different to standard.It'll be like a Westley type protector but the other way round.They wanted it attached to the rifle as people tend to lose the slide on ones.At the moment this will be the only one of the 3 rifles with this type of front sight.The other 2 will have a standard Jeffery type front sight block.Also the quarter rib has been made like the Jeffery sidelock rifle ones.These are a bit more elegant than the normal block fronted type quarter rib on these rifles.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #284334 - 22/06/16 09:22 PM

A flip up Ivory bead?

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      #284336 - 22/06/16 09:33 PM

Here's some pictures of an older Jeffery, another beauty;



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      #284337 - 22/06/16 10:12 PM

Very nice.This one is on a Number 3 type action.The one I've made is on a Number 2 type action.Back in the day the Number 2 rifles were around £15 more than the Number 3 rifles.£85 compared to £70.The non ejectors were about £10 less on both models.Those were the days!

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: 93x64mm]
      #284347 - 23/06/16 06:18 AM

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #284375 - 23/06/16 10:50 PM

Quote:

This one is on a Number 3 type action.The one I've made is on a Number 2 type action.Back in the day the Number 2 rifles were around £15 more than the Number 3 rifles.£85 compared to £70.




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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #284386 - 24/06/16 02:04 AM

I checked the daybook entry for the rifle I used as a pattern and in 1905 it cost £45.It was a special one aswell as it had a peepsight on it.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #284400 - 24/06/16 07:48 AM

Would love to see pictures of the peep sight as I have a friend who is considering one due to failing sight focus

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: ozhunter]
      #284401 - 24/06/16 08:27 AM

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Would love to see pictures of the peep sight as I have a friend who is considering one due to failing sight focus




Ditto.

That is one beautiful looking rifle and the length of pull is just about spot on for me. Please keep the photos of your progress with this rifle coming.


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      #284416 - 24/06/16 03:43 PM

I,m afraid the peepsight is no longer on the rifle.The quarter rib was only around 4 inches long and the sight was fitted up within a couple of inches of the breech end.Its current owner had the quarter rib lengthened and conventional sights put on so that he could use it normally,so Ive never seen the peepsight set up.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #309511 - 27/12/17 04:34 AM

Hi All,

Firstly hope everyone had a Very Merry Christmas and Very Best wishes to everyone for the New Year.

I've finally finished the first of these Jeffery Rifles.To see the pics please follow the link to
Buehlers Custom Sporting Arms Blog.Reto Buehler is the Jeffery representative in the USA and is a talented Gun and Riflemaker in his own right.
The Jeffery rifle was completely made in the UK and currently that's where it will reside until its sold or the owner's of Jeffery decide otherwise.

Please enjoy the photo's and any comments will be greatfully recieved.Also before anyone comments,the front sight has a flip forward protector on it.While not true to the original its a handy addition.You cannot take it off,stick it in your pocket and lose it.Its there for a practical reason and while it might not be everyones choice,it does its job well.The rifle shoots a .7 of an inch group at 50 yards so shoots well and consistantly.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #309526 - 27/12/17 07:23 AM

Ooh that is a beauty.

Congratulations.

Would like to see more photos please.

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      #309528 - 27/12/17 08:59 AM

Certainly a nice piece of kit, one we could only aspire to own!

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      #310735 - 21/01/18 02:44 AM

Mark sent me these photos in December.











For information about this rifle or WJ Jeffery rifles, pricing and ordering, contact Mark Mitchell at markmitchell178@gmail.com . Or ask via these forums - member name "Pugwash".

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      #310736 - 21/01/18 02:46 AM

Beautiful rifle!

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #310827 - 22/01/18 11:39 PM

Thanks John for posting the photo's.I hope people are interested in seeing the new Rifle finished.

If anyone has any questions please ask.Either through the forum or by email is fine.

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      #310829 - 23/01/18 12:47 AM

Mark, thanks for sending them. It is a very beautiful rifle. Looks superb in every way. Congratulations on such fine work.

If I won lotto the other day, it would have a new home already. Alas ...

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #310846 - 23/01/18 05:48 AM

Superb rifle, really well done. Thanks for posting.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #312203 - 11/02/18 12:34 PM

that is a simply stunning Rifle!
a closer photo of the forend would be great


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      #312209 - 11/02/18 12:58 PM

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that is a simply stunning Rifle!
a closer photo of the forend would be great




A, what exactly would you like, please describe. The original photos were of great resolution and size to the ones displayed.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #312658 - 19/02/18 10:55 AM

Hi John,
found the close up in photo archives only in the white


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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: ozhunter]
      #312660 - 19/02/18 11:53 AM

Spectacular - and most wonderful pictures of this delightful rifle - thank you.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: Pugwash]
      #312898 - 23/02/18 01:12 PM

What a beautiful rifle. A superb double showing very nice lines and excellent build quality!
The chambering of course is for one of the best all round cartridges ever created. The 450-400 NE 3".
The very first double rifles that I ever shot were 450-400 NE Jeffery boxlocks.
I well remember a day at the range back in the very early 1980's, where I was lucky enough to do some shooting with three different Jeffery boxlock 450-400 NE doubles.
About 10 years later I had a few shots with a Jeffery sidelock, again in 450-400 NE.
Nice rifles all of them, and I'll never forget those times.

Mark, thanks so much for showing us the build and completion of this lovely rifle. You obviously really know your stuff.


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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: 4seventy]
      #312928 - 23/02/18 11:07 PM

I'm with what 4seventy said ^^^.

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Re: New Jeffery double rifle [Re: CptCurl]
      #314873 - 02/04/18 10:51 AM

Simply gorgeous. Congratulations on a beautiful double.

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