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buckstix
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Re: Howdah you like this? Westley Richards 375 2-1/2 w/16" bbls [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #231840 - 29/06/13 08:01 AM

Hello All,

Update: On Tuesday June 25th I emailed Westley Richards & Co. to request that the letter of Authenticity be updated to my name. I also mentioned that although the "ledger copy" showed a 16" barrel length, the Letter of Authenticity did not address the barrel length. I suggested that since the 16" barrel length is very unique and a very rare feature of this rifle, perhaps this information should be included in the letter. They agreed.

And here today, Friday, 3 days later, I received the revised letter. That's a lot better service than we get from our U.S. Makers who take up to 3 months for Factory letters.



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Re: Howdah you like this? Westley Richards 375 2-1/2 w/16" bbls [Re: buckstix]
      #231844 - 29/06/13 08:50 AM

buckstix,

That is some nice service from WR. I have to imagine that barrels as short as those on your little .375 weren't ordered all that often, though they seem like just the thing for a Howdah "rifle", so it was nice of WR to note such on the revised ledger.

I had to check it out. Digging around it appears "Monteria", pronounced Mon-te-rí-a, is a Spanish word translating to "chase hunt" or "The pursuit of game with dogs". In Wisconsin I believe that would limit you to bear and rabbits. Your little .375 could be seen as a bit much for bunnies but most certainly a handy arm to have on a Wisconsin black bear hunt.

As to the number you did on your boat cushion, got any duct tape? Those short barrels have me thinking that if your plans for this year's deer season include sitting in a fabric blind with your little English flame thrower you may want to pack a fire extinguisher.

Mark

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Re: Howdah you like this? Westley Richards 375 2-1/2 w/16" bbls [Re: Buchsemann]
      #232399 - 12/07/13 11:35 PM

Hello Buchseman,

I did some more shooting this week, (being mindful of the short barrel) with some 300g silver-tips.

Average muzzle velocity was 1835 fps. That's about 2250 ft-lbs of energy. That would make it a very credible back-up gun in India, and a reliable bear gun here in Wisconsin.



It shoots a little high at 50yds so I've been holding at 6 o'clock on the 5" bull. I wish my eyes were a little better because I think L3 was me.

In plotting the trajectory, 3" high at 50yds equals 4-1/2" high at 100yds and 2" low at 200yds, with 200yd energy still over 1500 ft-lbs.

The 6 o'clock hold works great for off-hand practice at bowling pins at 50yds. I've been averaging about 75% success. My best string has been 6 in a row.

BTW - A contact made on the "Indians for Guns" forum (India) who lives in Mumbia, (formerly Bombay) will be stopping in at M. Saleh & Co., (they still exist) to ask if they have any records or history of my rifle. I'm hoping to gain some insight as to who commissioned this unique piece.

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Re: Howdah you like this? Westley Richards 375 2-1/2 w/16" bbls [Re: buckstix]
      #232401 - 13/07/13 12:41 AM

There quite likely be a problem, I believe, with most jacketed bullets on this side of the pond. Unless they are designed for lever guns(like the 255gr. .38/55 bullets as-in Barnes originals, the 220gr. Hornady's and 200gr. Sierras,) they are not designed to expand much below 2,000fps, about 1,900fps minimum.

I recall that years ago, for Lions, the "Aluminum" cap on the .300gr. ST's were pried off to increase expansion. Nowadays, that old fairly heavy 'aluminum' cap has been replaced with something very much thinner. The last 300gr. ST factory loads I chronographed ran 2,474fps in a BRNO ZKK 602.

If there was an opportunity to expand at low speeds, I think a 235gr. Speer that was cup-pointed down to about 230 or 225gr. might work, as-would a standard 255gr. for the .38/55 in .375". For a heavier bullet, perhaps a 300gr. RN Hornady that was HP'd or cup-pointed might also work.

A centre-drill, makes for very easy 'cupping' on a lathe or small size. Chucking the bullet in the 3-jaw, then running the centre-drill in until the angle touches the jacket, then withdrawing the centre-drill leaves bullet so virtually identical weight, accurate and nicely HP'ed and cupped so they will expand at low speeds.

These bullets worked well for Rod after being sized down for use in a 9.3x57, at low speeds. Unaltered, even at 2,100fps impact speeds, they seemed too 'hard'.

Just a thought.

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Re: Howdah you like this? Westley Richards 375 2-1/2 w/16" bbls [Re: DarylS]
      #345995 - 20/10/20 06:09 PM

BTTT

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