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I bought Buzz Charlton new DVD and during the chapter on Charges he sometimes hints that he wished he had a Double at that time.I've read that afew people that know him say he maybe looking to buy a Double.I enjoy watching his videos it would be cool to see him use a Double and his Ruger in one.

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A concern I have in watching various video footage of some double users is that sometimes they fire off a fast second shot irrespective of the animal showing signs of going down with the first and then of course are completely unloaded in the case of the animal getting up again or another animal causing problems. In other words they are reacting a little like the guy using a semi, keep pulling the trigger while the gun will fire.

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A concern I have in watching various video footage of some double users is that sometimes they fire off a fast second shot irrespective of the animal showing signs of going down with the first and then of course are completely unloaded in the case of the animal getting up again or another animal causing problems. In other words they are reacting a little like the guy using a semi, keep pulling the trigger while the gun will fire.

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You keep shooting them until they put their head on the ground. If you fire both shots you reload them fast and are ready to go again. With a loaded double and two in your fingers you can fire four aimed shots in under 10 seconds and have 2 more from your cartirdge holder eady to go again.

Admiring your first shot thinking the first one was good is a bad mistake with dangerous game.

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I wasn't implying anyone should admire their first shot but invariably, and I have seen this on at least one video I have particularly noticed and I'm sure there would be plenty more examples, is that the second shot fired as the animal is falling will go high with the only effect being the shooter has expended his second shot for no good outcome and is now empty.

Think shooting dropping clays or even birds with a shotgun, I've seen many more misses than hits.

Similarly we have seen with fast approaching cats it is very difficult for a standing shooter to get the lead right (dropping the aiming point down below the animal) as they come in and invariably the shot goes over the animal.

Yes agree once the animal hits the deck then pour it in to keep it there.

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in a couple of those scenes, there is no way you would have gotten a second shot off that quick with a bolt...

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I began my skeet shooting career with a Model 12 Winchester pump action shotgun. It soon became clear to me that I could operate the action and reload the gun in the time it took to recover from the recoil of the first shot and bring the gun back on the second target. In fact, some Model 12 shooters disdained automatics because they thought the action operated too slowly.

I started high power rifle competition with a bolt gun and the same thing became apparant. By the time I had recovered from recoil, I had cycled the bolt and was ready for the next shot.

On my trips to Africa, I carried both a double rifle and a bolt gun for dangerous game, but I ended up using the bolt gun almost exclusively. I killed one elephant and one buffalo with the double rifle, but three more elephant and four more buffalo with my bolt gun.

On one occasion, I was able to put four shots in a charging rhino at close range, and on another four shots into a buffalo as he ran past at about 30 yards distance. Three of those shots could have been covered with a playing card and were in the heart lung area. The buffalo stopped so suddenly that his nose plowed up the ground.

Most tellingly, my friend and mentor, John Buhmiller, used his bolt action rifles to kill over 100 elephants and countless buffalo. He tried a double rifle once and rejected it.

Mastering the bolt gun is not something everyone has the time or inclination to do, but it certainly can be done. The Wikipedia article on Townsend Whelen mentions that he is credited with firing six shots standing in ten seconds with a 1903 Springfield and keeping all of the shots inside a man sized target at 200 yards. As an experiment, I once fired five shots in eight seconds with a Lee Enfield at 100 yards prone, and kept all five of the shots in a 6" bullseye.

There are situations where two shots are not enough. I once killed a very old elephant which was accompanied by a younger bull, an "askari". When the old bull went down, the young bull, instead of fleeing, stood his ground and trumpeted and squealed. Had he been able to locate us, he would have charged. There was not time enough to reload a double rifle to take care of him, if he had charged immediately.

Fortunately, he was never able to locate us and eventually departed.

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If you want guarantees, then hunting dangerous game is not for you.

Talking as tho a hit with the second shot must be "guaranteed", shows no appreciation of the benefits of the double. Probably the only certainty that you have, is that there will be the odd occasion where the man with the bolt-gun will not have enough time to get off an accurate second shot AT ALL.

At the ranges under discussion, hits with the first shot say little to nothing about the merits of the action.

Those who say that a double cannot be reloaded quickly have obviously never seen it done by a practiced hand. Just like shooting quickly and accurately, it's a skill that requires practice. But that doesn't mean that it can't be done. Just that you haven't done it.

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I can well imagine that a video could be made up of both the first and second shot from doubles not being successful and this is the reason why at least some if not all of the PHs who have met their maker or been seriously injured recently has occurred (I don't know what weapons all were using but it has been revealed at least some had doubles.

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On some of those charge sequences, there would have been no time for a second shot from a bolt action.

There is a reason EVERY PH wants a double rifle to hunt dangerous game with. And those that don't can't afford one or haven't saved for one yet.

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I don't know that there is any compelling proof that "EVERY PH wants a double".

The very 'doubles' promoting video was edited to only show missed or ineffectual first shots but successful second shots. My point was that the video did not show any sequences where the second shot was also ineffectual which possibly happens more often than not or more often than we like to admit (with any style of weapon) i.e. there is no statistical reason to suppose a second shot is going to be more effectual that the first shot with any weapon. The animal maybe closer in a charge sequence but the second or subsequent shot/s must still hit the animal and then hit a vital or killing spot to stop the charge.<<<<SNIP

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Eagle, None of what you are saying has anything to do with the subject at hand. As someone above said in all these cases the first shot didn't do the trick, and the second shot did. If the same sequence was with a bolt rifle and the first shot didn't stop the ele, or lion, someone would have been in real trouble, because there was not enough time to work a bolt and get that second shot that DID end it. The double is not a guarantee that either shot will do the job, but you will GET that second shot and with the bolt you will not.

If the first one doesn't do it with the bolt you’re in trouble at these ranges, but though the second shot is not guaranteed to stop the ele it is 100% more likely than just one shot with the bolt rifle. If you have time to get a second shot with a bolt then they are equal, but if you don't the double has another shot where the bolt doesn't.

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I think O´Connor or possibly Keith related a story told to them years ago by a native Indian guide, "one shot good, two shots, maybe, three shots heap big shit"

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An old African hand I spoke with about doubles vs bolts did say that a Double is more prone to failure due to dirt grit etc getting in the action and making it hard to close.

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