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Surge45
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Stand Up Rifle Rests for DR Load Testing
#215709 - 28/08/12 11:53 AM

Hello,

I'm getting ready to start my load development journey for my 470 NE K-gun.

From what I've gathered thus far, I understand that a stand up rest is the best way to shoot the rifle because it simulates the recoil under "real" situations and is also less punishing than sitting down.

My only option is a public range where they already have very sturdy wood benches. I figured I could make a table top "gizmo" for that to use for standing.

Do you guys have any ideas, best practices or pics of set-ups or devices that you could share?

Many thanks

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MikeRowe
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Re: Stand Up Rifle Rests for DR Load Testing [Re: Surge45]
#215711 - 28/08/12 12:34 PM

Yes, a standing rest is the correct way to shoot these rifles.

I believe the light English and European style bolt action rifles and single shots are best shot from a standing rest also. I think anything you can do to replicate an offhand shot by bringing the rest up to your standing position is the best. The rifles seem to group differently and shoot to a different point of aim if the shooter hunkers down on a benchrest.

A two to three inch group at a hundred yards off a standing rest and you are good to go.

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500Nitro
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Re: Stand Up Rifle Rests for DR Load Testing [Re: MikeRowe]
#215712 - 28/08/12 12:46 PM

If they have very sturdy rests already,
you could strap milk crates to one to get
it nearly to the right height and then
use something softer for the final bit.

Apart from needing something firm to rest your
FOREARM on (ie NOT the rifle), the other important
part is having something solid to push your thigh
against (or lower part of your body in general).

This also tends to aide stability for shooting
while not stopping free recoil.
.

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Edited by 500Nitro (28/08/12 01:17 PM)

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tinker
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Re: Stand Up Rifle Rests for DR Load Testing [Re: 500Nitro]
#215714 - 28/08/12 12:57 PM

Welcome to the site S45!

Milk crates sound like a quick way tomget there.
Post photos of your rifle, the setup you choose, and your targets.
I look forward to see how you do.

Cheers
Tinker

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AkMike
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Re: Stand Up Rifle Rests for DR Load Testing [Re: tinker]
#215716 - 28/08/12 01:09 PM

I use a double sized milk crate to get my back straight up and it is as good as a standing rest IMO. I think the big thing is to not hunch over like many do when shooting off the bench.
Don't let any part of the rilfe contact anything except you.. IE; you support the whole thing with the rest beneath.

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375Brno
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Re: Stand Up Rifle Rests for DR Load Testing [Re: AkMike]
#215719 - 28/08/12 02:48 PM

I saw this being done at the local range on Sunday after our BGR shoot. One of the guys checking his sighting in.

I don't have a pic however will try and describe it. At the non bench rest end of the range they have a section where there are steel circular columns cemented into the ground. These are approx 1.5m apart about 2m high and each one has an adjustable tray to put your ammo in. So you can shoot prone sitting kneeling standing etc.

The next bit was obviously purpose built by someone and it was a piece of solid ply designed to fit in between the posts and on top of the trays on either side. Quite stable. The ply bench was probably about 1.5m wide and 1m deep With the adjustable trays you can get any height. It had a semi circle cut out of it and that is where you stood. The shooter had some some solid foam padding for support and it all looked stable as I said.

Wish I had a pic however you get the idea.

Regards
Rick

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Surge45
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Re: Stand Up Rifle Rests for DR Load Testing [Re: 375Brno]
#215735 - 29/08/12 01:03 AM

Thanks for all of your replies! The milk crate option sounds like a very simple solution. I may need to double up. I can just strap them together and I think that I'll get the right height. I need to find the real milk crates, not the cheap ones that they sell at office supply stores. Maybe I'll hang around a Farm Store or 7-11 tonight...

I'm going to look into the suggestion that 375Brno made as well. I need to scope out the pillars and posts that they have but I think it may be impossible because it may take out a few shooting positions at the same time.

What type of "rest" should I use for the portion where the arm rests (on top of the crates)? Some type of firm cushion?

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500Nitro
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Re: Stand Up Rifle Rests for DR Load Testing [Re: Surge45]
#215737 - 29/08/12 01:15 AM

Yes, definitely some type of firm cushion.

Firmer than softer - it needs to provide a firm rest without moving about or "settling" while trying to line up the shot.

Anything is better than the edge or top of the milk crate !!!

Even a sack filled with a lot of sand is fine.

Another thing. Strap or tie the milk crates down
so that they don't move - or fill a few sand bags with
sand or dirt at the range and use them to weigh them down.

You don't want them moving but on the other hand, the reason I use milk crates is they are cheap, easy and you aren't lugging heaps of weight around (as you can leave the sand bags at the range !).

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Surge45
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Re: Stand Up Rifle Rests for DR Load Testing [Re: 500Nitro]
#215738 - 29/08/12 01:34 AM

I think I have one of those Tempur-Pedic pillows or cushions that I got my wife when she was pregnant. They are very firm and will support the forend (with my hand underneath).

As far as securing the milk crates - I think that I'll just bolt them onto the bench. If I recall, the benches may have about a 1/4" gap between the planks. This may be enough to get a long u-bolt around the edge of the crate and down through the wood and secured underneath.

I love these projects within a project, within a project, etc....

Thanks!

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Re: Stand Up Rifle Rests for DR Load Testing [Re: Surge45]
#215742 - 29/08/12 03:30 AM

For the 'cushion' I just use the standard rest sand bags but instead rest the back of my hand on it instead of the forend. They are already firm. For the elbows some rubber matting is fine.

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