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bonanza
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Re: 450 3.25 or 470NE... which one to buy?? [Re: atkinson6]
#16154 - 24/06/04 07:02 AM

One needs to shoot the .470 BEFORE buying one, only on the internet can everyone handle the fierce recoil of the 470..the 450-400 is worlds milder in recoil and will kill anything that you shoot with it..

I did. There was no way I was going to put up with that punishment just to own and shoot a double. I went with the 375 H&H and it's a joy to shoot. However, I wish the 450/400 was available in a new merkel.

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atkinson6
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Re: 450 3.25 or 470NE... which one to buy?? [Re: bonanza]
#16180 - 25/06/04 12:26 PM

As to recoil between the 470 and 450-400 thats nothing much to quible about...Simply load the 470 down to 2000 FPS and it recoils about like a 450-400, but it still kills a lot better...I have used them both on big game in Africa and I finally settled on a .470 by Searcy and darn glad I did, its the best shooting double I have ever owned and it shoots about everything to the same POI....

Butch will be glad to make you a PH model in 470 or 450-400 for about $9500.

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Peterb
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Re: 450 3.25 or 470NE... which one to buy?? [Re: atkinson6]
#16476 - 07/07/04 02:49 PM

Ray, I had an 8 pound 458 and with full factory 510 grain loads, I considered the recoil mild. Now the 470 has about the same energy with a bit less velocity. My new Searcy (about 2 months away now) at ten pounds certainly cannot be as potent as the 8 pound 458. While not wussy, it cannot be as bad as you suggest.

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4seventy
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Re: 450 3.25 or 470NE... which one to buy?? [Re: Peterb]
#16482 - 07/07/04 06:22 PM

Welcome Peterb.
Don't get caught up with paper balistics.
The 458 at 2100 and 8 pounds is a pussy compared to a 470 at 2100 at anything under 10 pounds!
The 458 uses a puny 70 grains or so of medium powder and the 470 is often loaded with 105 grains or so of slow powder.
The result is a big difference in felt recoil despite the fact that the external balistics are similar.

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Peterb
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Re: 450 3.25 or 470NE... which one to buy?? [Re: 4seventy]
#16504 - 08/07/04 11:47 AM

I have always found that with guns of equal energy, the higher velocity gun had more felt recoil. The 470 does have 30 grains more exiting the barrel so that is a fair point. I have always found that faster powderskick more. Anyways, I'll bow to your experience until I shoot it for myself. In any event, I know it won't be close to my (ex) 460 or my 378 which lacked a muzzle break. Now the 460 was pretty vicious and the lightweight 378 was purely painful.

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