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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: Marrakai]
      #15301 - 29/05/04 02:06 AM

I think the key word was "if" ie "if" the scope was adjusted.



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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: NitroX]
      #17356 - 28/07/04 04:26 PM

Great thread. Just a few points. The Brits took their doubles (rifles or shotguns) back to the manufacturer quite often for cleaning up. That might be stock dings or rust spots or bluing/blacking wear. This does not detract from value as it would with a vintage Winchester lever gun. They thought of it as a simple tuneup like we would take a car in. Now for more extreme work, tightening is not that tough a job for a QUALIFIED gunsmith (there are not that many of them in the US) and usually runs around $200. That is about the same cost as rust bluing. That doesn't hurt value in my estimation. Removing excess oil from stocks, dings, etc depends on the amount of work needed. If necessary, stock replacement is not all that expensive if you go to the right person. I am a wood dealer and know the right people. The main problem is that it can take some time for someone who is both inexpensive and a quality worker. If you need names, I can give you several. The main thing to look for in a double of any kind is barrel condition. That is #1 through #6.

Now I have had a couple old doubles and the problems as I see in them are in handling. The Brit guns are nice but the older ones are a couple pounds heavier in the 470 class than the new guns. 10 pounds I can live with. 12 pounds is no fun to carry or throw to your shoulder in a hurry. That is my opinion, you are welcome to your own. That is the nicest thing about todays guns...most in this class will run about 10 pounds. Now a real treat are the 9.3 x 74's which are considerably lighter, but we'll stick to apples vs apples. Now I tried all the new affordable doubles. I really liked the feel of the Blaser double but don't want anything to do with that silly and maybe dangerously slow secondary cocking system. I can match the feel with the Searcy with modifying the wood a bit. I went down and saw Butch and tried the guns and loved them. Now I gave him my own piece of wood to use...an exhibition grade full feather piece of seed English denser than hell with vibrant colors like Claro. I'll do a bit of carving on the cheeks and the final gun will be unreal. Of course, Butch is adding a set of 12 Ga 3" barrels with tubes for chukar thinning and getting used to the gun. Maybe even a round of trap now and then. The 12 Ga barrels are a $3500 option.

Anyways, I am looking forward to the gun and am about two months away.


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double rifles - false restorations, accuracy. [Re: Peterb]
      #17394 - 29/07/04 03:51 PM

My pet peeve are the guns advertised as "restored to new in England" which look good outside but have horrible bores. Who do the vendors think they're kidding?

Also, to check groups, use a Merit iris eyepiece with a suction cup on your shooting glasses, this sharpens up the open sights wonderfully.

I agree with the posters who insist on at least three minutes of angle for a four shot composite group at 100 yards. If your rifle won't deliver this kind of accuracy get rid of it. There is no reason why a 10g+ double shouldn't regulate to shoot as well as a Winchester 94 30-30.


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Re: double rifles - false restorations, accuracy. [Re: vigillinus]
      #17474 - 31/07/04 05:33 AM

Damn few doubles will shoot 3 inches at 100 yards, more like 5 to 8 inches is the norm in the real world, but they are not for shooting at 100 yards, they are for shooting up close an personal, 25 and 50 yards...Some have a 100 yard double, but they are the exception or the expert who can tune one well, not average Joe...In fact damn few shooters can shoot 3" at 100 yds with a hard kicking double. Most 30-30s, as a matter of fact, will shoot circles around most doubles.

This does not apply to 450 No.2, Mac, Rusty, 500 grs, Micky1, and some of these guys, as its a passion with them and if the gun would deliver to their expectations, they would dump it in a heartbeat. Include me in that group..

If average Joe wants accuracy then use the bolt gun...its inherently more accurate by design...


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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: Peterb]
      #20738 - 10/11/04 07:44 AM

The shotgun barrels finally arrived from Pac-Nor and the finished gun is now a month away. This is worse than waiting for Christmas as a kid! I'd better get busy reloading. Butch uses 108 Gr IMR 4831 and Woodley 500's with a velocity of 2250 FPS. I'll include a photo when it gets here. Super wood!

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Re: double rifles - false restorations, accuracy. [Re: atkinson6]
      #20739 - 10/11/04 08:08 AM

I'm getting six shot groups in the 2.4 - 2.6 at 50 yards, that is what I record in my load journal.

I've have sub-inch 2 shot groups at 50 yards.

Do you guys shoot 2, 4, or 6 when stating the accuracy of your DR?

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: 500grains]
      #20749 - 10/11/04 12:09 PM

Hello 500 grains.

Craig also has an Andrews 470 double rifle that he has used in Africa. I am not certain if he still has it or not!


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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: wombat]
      #33839 - 25/06/05 06:40 PM

After all the talk here is the rifle I ended up ordering.
A Searcy 500 nitro express double,of coarse.
I also opted for scope mounts but have yet to install them.
Thanks to the advice from members-and a lovely piece of kit it is too.
The paperwork between Australia and the USA is terrible but can be done-if this is what you want don't let the bureaucrats beat you.
By the way, the rifle is resting on an impala skin.










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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: wombat]
      #33851 - 26/06/05 01:49 AM

Very Nice! I love the look of dark wood over the lighter wood. How much does it weigh? You shoot it yet?

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: wombat]
      #33860 - 26/06/05 07:22 AM

Here is my new Searcy 470. I've been shooting it about two weeks now. My first impressions are:

The wood was better than I expected.

It shoots better than I expected - 1 1/2" four shot group at 50 yds.

The engraving is better than the Merkle I had but definately not as good as the classic Westley Richards etc.

It is well balanced and I like the 24 inch barrels.

Best of all it is made to fit me. As a result the sights are aligned just right when I bring it to the shoulder.

All in all it is not too pretty to use but is good looking enough that its great to just pull it out of the cabinet and look it over.

It is just what I wanted. Thank you Butch.







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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: Palmer]
      #33863 - 26/06/05 10:22 AM

Hello palmer-good to hear you eventually got your hands on it.
I agree with your views.
The wood and engraving are surprisingly good for a base level rifle.
Also the fit of my rifle is very good-at 6'3" tall I realise I have never had a rifle that fits properly before.
Wood to metal finish is good without being perfect-but this is not a 150K rifle.
Only had one range session,just trying to work-out some loads over a chrony since I can't find IMR4831 that Butch uses so can't speak to true accuracy yet but all has worked perfectly so far.
At this point I would recommend Butch to anyone wanting a realistically priced hunting double.


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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: wombat]
      #33868 - 26/06/05 01:29 PM

All these guns are making me crazy. I have a Searcy in .577 that should be in next week and I can't wait. This thread has pushed me over the edge

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: Maineguide]
      #33893 - 27/06/05 05:51 AM

Maineguide:

Lucky SOB! Our .577 isn't due in until after the first of the year!!!!!

You have to post some pics of your bad-boy when it arrives!


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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: clark7781]
      #33903 - 27/06/05 09:17 AM

Clark,

I will as soon as it arrives,

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: NitroX]
      #34135 - 30/06/05 08:52 PM

Hi Wombat I have a few questions for you on you'r Searcy What brass will you be using for the 500Searcy,did you have any hassles importing it to Aus and did it come through Smith's in Sydney? also i was interested to see if you had any luck sorting a Buff hunt since your enquiry last year?
That 500 would be lovely in that Zambezi Jess.
Cheers Adam.


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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: Palmer]
      #34191 - 02/07/05 07:02 AM

That is very nice wood in the stock! Is it standard?

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: adam470]
      #34197 - 02/07/05 10:27 AM

Butch sent over the HDS brass and the dies seperately.
I had no trouble except you do need a B709A-I thought I might be in for problems since I did not a rifle in that caliber when the brass arrived but the firearms registry were helpful enough to just send it along.GST is paid
on the "sum listed on the reciept" plus postage and insurance.

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: wombat]
      #34234 - 03/07/05 12:16 AM

Awesome gun Palmer!! Thanks for the pics

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: Maineguide]
      #34241 - 03/07/05 02:37 AM

Thanks Mainguide. I am looking forward to giving this rifle its first bush scratches in Tanzania in about 6 weeks.

338x74R: As far as the wood in my rifle was concerned it was just "the luck of the draw" I suppose.

I suspect that one could be more active in personally picking out your wood but Butch seems to be very intent on buying good wood for his projects anyway and I figured he knew more about it than I did so I just let him pick it.

I'm sure he would be happy to discuss it with anyone that had a special type in mind.

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: Palmer]
      #34242 - 03/07/05 02:44 AM

Palmer,

Make sure we get a blow by blow of you trip. I just finished watching Death by double rifle and its a great video, packed with action and fine doubles. I just got my Searcy in the pics are listed under the post Maineguide one more day. Check it out.

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: Palmer]
      #34396 - 07/07/05 12:51 AM

Is that a PH model or a deluxe model?
Do you know what kind of recoil pad is used? I see that some of the Searcy guns have black/brown pads and some have red pads.
A close-up photo of the engraving and the front sight would be nice if you have the possibility...


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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: 338X74R]
      #34399 - 07/07/05 01:39 AM

You guys and your .577s are frigging insane!!! My 470 thumps me hard enough. I'd be flat on my ass if I shot one of those cannons

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: bonanza]
      #34404 - 07/07/05 05:17 AM

In reply to:

You guys and your .577s are frigging insane!!! My 470 thumps me hard enough. I'd be flat on my ass if I shot one of those cannons




I've already started taking a daily dose of asprin to help decrease the headache I'll get from shooting that thing...

...the gun's not getting here until January '06!

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: clark7781]
      #34406 - 07/07/05 05:35 AM

might try strengthening your retinas as well!

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Re: Butch Searcy's double rifles [Re: new_guy]
      #34408 - 07/07/05 06:43 AM

Can anybody tell me whether Searcy uses investment castings for his action and other large parts?

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