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Birdhunter50
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
      #273066 - 12/11/15 02:00 AM

CRS,
The gun was proofed using 400 grain bullets and the same powder charge that the service load uses. It was proofed and regulated with Hornady jacketed bullets. The service load uses 300 grain spire points. I don't believe in using factory loads to do proofing or the regulating, I want to use a load that can be duplicated and to be able to know what the pressure is on them.
If I remember correctly, it crosses at about 50 yards which puts you about one inch apart at 100.
You have a good eye, I had not yet put the rear sling swivel on it yet when those pictures were taken. The grip cap was not blued yet either.


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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #273073 - 12/11/15 03:50 AM

Thank you.
Sounds like you have done a thorough job on function and style!

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
      #277519 - 04/02/16 09:14 AM

Thanks for posting pictures of this gun Bob and thanks for the plug on the work I did on the stock.
Bob provided me with the workable pattern and the blank to duplicate and I did the rest from there.

If I remember correctly, it was Claro walnut that was used.

The gun looks great with the barrels all blued and everything finished.


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Wayne59
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: dudleybm]
      #277527 - 04/02/16 12:35 PM

Brian does excellent work. He has done two guns for me. One was a little Philly Fox 20ga A grade.

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Birdhunter50
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: Wayne59]
      #277553 - 05/02/16 12:29 AM

Wayne59,
Yes, Brian does excellent work. I have had him do a couple of stocks for me and the work is always first class. This was an especially difficult stocks to duplicate because of the contours on the back of the action. I have a duplicator myself but I didn't feel that my machine or I were up to doing this one. The stock is extra hard Claro from an older tree out of California, I had forgotten what type of walnut it was till someone jogged my memory.
Brian did the duplication, the heading up of the stock, and the checkering and the finish work. I am very pleased with how it turned out and the new owner is as well. Bob


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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #278221 - 20/02/16 12:29 PM

Bob is right-on WRT the opinion of the new owner!! The rifle looks and shoots great!
Just today, a person with a Simson Suhl 450/400 asked for information on the stock maker and I passed on links to Brian's web site and to the portfolio on that site.

If you like a good hog hunting story, click here:
http://forums.[blank]/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1621043/m/2451074812

The rifle almost aims and fires itself!

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
      #299831 - 30/04/17 10:43 AM

Customization/personalization of the Simson .405 WCF made by Bob and purchased by me:

When we discussed the idea of re-regulating the gun with Hornady factory 300 grain ammo at 2200-2225, Bob was too busy and recommended Aaron Little right here in Texas. I recently visited Aaron's new shop in east Texas to pick up the finished rifle and he gave me the final regulation target. He had used the scope to minimize aiming errors:



4 shots(two from each barrel) in a one inch square from 50 yards!




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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
      #301370 - 05/06/17 12:35 PM

That is a great looking double Sir. Very Very nice!!

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Daryl_S
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: Rifle57]
      #301372 - 05/06/17 01:11 PM

Well done.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: Daryl_S]
      #301435 - 06/06/17 06:17 AM

Speaks volumes about how good Birdhunter's work was originally , but how good is Aaron Little's regulation of this rifle!
Outstanding job!
Certainly a keeper there crshelton!
We're all jealous


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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: 93x64mm]
      #301511 - 07/06/17 11:24 PM

The rifle does well in the field also:


Nilgai taken this Monday in thick cover -
Not a trophy, but good sport and good eating.
Note red spot on shoulder where heart shot with 300 grain Barnes TSX entered.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
      #301615 - 10/06/17 06:57 PM

Thanks for sharing CS. At first(ofcouse) I thought you had been to India to hunt nilgai, but after browsing I realized they were introduced to US back in the 1930s.
https://www.brokenarrowranch.com/Articles/TheSTA.htm

NIce rifle!...but so is your 1886 in .45-90 :-)


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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: rigbymauser]
      #301620 - 10/06/17 11:38 PM

Very nice rifle. I think the .405 is one of the best doubles you can have for the USA.

By the way, a nilgai is better in the pot than on the wall.

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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: Grenadier]
      #301628 - 11/06/17 03:51 AM

RigbyM,
Yes, I read somewhere that there are more Nilgai in Texas now than in India. Many exotic ranches have them and there are some free range animals on public land. The mature bulls (up to 800 pounds) aggravate the cattle ranchers because they eat a lot of the grass and tear up any fences that they cannot jump. One of my college buddies had a ranch near Raymondville and he shot every Nilgai he could. He a even chased them with his ranch truck, but made the mistake of actually hitting a big one and disabled the truck.

Grenadier,
You said " I think the .405 is one of the best doubles you can have for the USA." I agree and
Mike Brady said the same thing just this morning! Mike coached me on loading his North Fork bullets in my 1895 .405. He even shoots prairie dogs with his. I will soon be trying 400 grain NF in my double. That should be a killer DG load at 2100 fps.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
      #301636 - 11/06/17 08:05 AM

Rigby,
You mentioned my 1886 .45-90. May I ask how you knew I have one?

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
      #310314 - 12/01/18 01:10 PM




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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
      #310325 - 12/01/18 06:01 PM

.405Win. - sounds like a great Double Rifle for most NA game.

I think I would rather have a .45 2.4", though, with about an 18" to 20" twist, for BC and Alaska, just for the heavier bullets.

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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: Daryl_S]
      #310373 - 13/01/18 01:48 AM

Daryl,
The .458 bullets are good on heavy game as shown by the ele taken by my 1886 45-90 with 450 grain bullets at 2150 fps.
However, the .400 bullets have also taken a lot of heavy game in Africa. Have you read my M 1895 Winchester .405 story about taking a cape buffalo with 400 grain .405 hand loads?

Also, this double shoots 400 grainers very accurately - one MOA, and when the weather moderates a bit, I will get back to tuning to regulation grouping of the 400 grain Hornady and Woodleigh bullets.
I will be taking the double on a spring bear hunt in New Brunswick in May this year and will use 300 grain bullets. If all goes well, I will post a story and pix.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
      #310387 - 13/01/18 12:59 PM

Cool! No, I didn't see that article on the .405 and Cape buff.

If twisted to shoot the 400's and regulates with them, they would be super, of course, matching or nearly matching the .450/400.

Those 300gr. factory loads should be way more than enough for any black bear.

Got some big fellows on Haida Gwaii (Queen Charlotte Islands) of BC.

I know of 2 that came close to or exceeded 800pounds, taken in the Juscatla region.

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crshelton
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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: Daryl_S]
      #310516 - 16/01/18 03:29 AM

Daryl,
I will be shooting hand loads of 300 grain Barnes TSX at 2225 fps which should penetrate a bit better than the factory Hornady soft points which probably would be just fine as lots of black bears are killed with the 30-30.

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Re: Simson .405 Winchester [Re: crshelton]
      #310517 - 16/01/18 04:08 AM

Absolutely. They've got some nice bears in NB. Good luck.

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