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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #213761 - 31/07/12 12:21 PM

Keep your chin up Colin!

Your family is in the thoughts and prayers of my family.






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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: Carpetsahib]
      #213768 - 31/07/12 01:50 PM

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers they are much appreciated.

Tinker,

I really enjoyed the phone call tonight.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: CowboyCS]
      #214362 - 11/08/12 02:49 PM

I know quite a few of you have been waiting patiently for the next update...I haven't gotten a lot of time in the last couple weeks but I did get a little bit of work done.

So here's the current update:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...and-regulation/

Link to the whole blog:
http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

Enjoy

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: CowboyCS]
      #214391 - 12/08/12 02:14 AM

Tks Colin - good tretise on rib soldering.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: DarylS]
      #214394 - 12/08/12 02:26 AM

Thank you Colin that was a very good description of the soldering. I have one question for you. This technique of heating the barrel from the inside for the soldering, will that work in "squirrel gun" calibers also, was thinking along the line of .45 and .50calibers?

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: Murphy]
      #214399 - 12/08/12 02:53 AM

Soldering with irons works with any caliber, the only thing about doing smaller calibers is you will need more rods. The smaller diameter won't retain the heat as well or as long so you will have to swap them out more frequently...that means you have to have enough rods hot to let the first one reheat before you come full cycle and need it again. For 45 or 50 caliber rifles probably 8-10 rods minimum...the smaller you go the more rods you will need.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: CowboyCS]
      #214448 - 13/08/12 01:02 AM

Nice!





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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: tinker]
      #214474 - 13/08/12 07:45 AM

I certainly hope you dont have to fire 120 shots to get this beastie regulated.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: VonGruff]
      #214502 - 13/08/12 02:26 PM

I've heard of the irons being used in re-regulation of existing rifles.
Seems it would do the trick.




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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: tinker]
      #214528 - 13/08/12 10:18 PM

VonGruff,

I'm hoping for the least number of shots possible to regulate this rifle...these 2 Bores can be very punishing to shoot. I'm hoping with as much as this one weighs it will tame the recoil quite a bit.

Tinker,
Using irons works very well for re-regulation, it allows you to control the heat, keeping it localized to the muzzles/wedge area and helps prevent everything from separating. Depending on how old the rifle is...if it was put together with Cornish tin, that stuff flows at 275degf. If a guy is careful he can re-regulate an old double that was soldered together with Cornish tin with out effecting the original finish.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: CowboyCS]
      #214793 - 17/08/12 12:55 AM

Can't the rifle be held in a rest for basic regulation, then at the end tested off hand just to make sure it is ok? A fellow could suffer brain damage regulating that beast.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: 500grains]
      #214841 - 17/08/12 03:51 PM

Double rifles need to be free to move, if you anchor them down or try to shoot them off of a fixed rest the regulation will be off. It's all about the position the muzzles are in when the projectile leaves the muzzle.

Started putting the first load development shots through it tonight.

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/...ad-development/

http://stolzergunsmithing.wordpress.com/

lots more shooting to do but it's a start anyways.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: CowboyCS]
      #214878 - 18/08/12 07:16 AM

Impressive to say the least. Your rest looks to be a bit low to me for your comfort - but then I am not shooting that much recoil. Do you need to squinch down for any other reason other than to allign the sights on target.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: VonGruff]
      #214884 - 18/08/12 01:03 PM

It's slightly low, I need to tighten up the strap a little, I didn't account for the weight of the rifle as much as I should have. Leaning into it like I was isn't a bad deal though, I've found that leaning forward into these 2 Bores helps me roll with the recoil better, instead of the recoil twisting my back, it just kind of stands me up straight.

Like I said in the video...one of these days I really should build a real sling rest on a permanent frame. That way I could make it easily adjustable and just drag the whole thing out of the way when I'm not using it.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: CowboyCS]
      #214897 - 18/08/12 04:50 PM

Maybe a simple spreader bar between the somewhat flexible uprights may help.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: VonGruff]
      #214988 - 20/08/12 03:54 AM

Out of curiosity, what company manufactures barrels in 2 bore caliber?

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: 500grains]
      #215008 - 20/08/12 05:17 AM

Oregon Barrel Works owned by Joe and Suzi Williams or for Black Powder Muzzleloading Only barrel...custom barrel maker Ed Rayl will also make one, Ed doesn't make cartridge barrels.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: CowboyCS]
      #215009 - 20/08/12 05:24 AM

With 3 places making barrels, I amn guessing there must be more than just a handful of 2 bores out there.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: 500grains]
      #215028 - 20/08/12 07:53 AM

3 places?? Joe Williams(Oregon Barrel Works) and Ed Rayl are the only two I know of, maybe I didn't write that last post very clearly or do you know of a third maker?

In any case, there aren't really that many shoulder fired 2 Bores around. This is the 5th one I have built and I know of about 5 others made by various gunsmiths, that includes both cartridge and muzzleloaders. Modern reproductions like I make are pretty rare, there are only a couple guys in the whole world making 2 bores...as for originals, I can count the number on one hand that I have been able to verify and research. Even in punt guns and whaling guns 2 bores were/are pretty rare.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: CowboyCS]
      #215031 - 20/08/12 08:21 AM

I guess I misread that.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: 500grains]
      #215032 - 20/08/12 08:37 AM

Any way you slice it, this 2-bore is one heck of a rifle!






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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: tinker]
      #215046 - 20/08/12 10:11 AM

Colin - thanks for the shooting video. That is a LOT more recoil than I would put up with. Good-on-ya.

500gr. is 18.3 drams, BTW. 12 (4 less than the full load) drams in a 4 bore, broke WW Greener's recoil machine,w hcih recdored up to 200gr. So - 10 drams (273gr.) with a 1,450gr. ball in a 22pound 4 bore, was enough over 200 pounds to break a machine that recorded recoil up to 200pounds without breaking.

Colin is shooting a 3,500gr. ball, more than twice the weight in projectile, with a charge 50% greater and recoil isn't too/too bad. (I noticed he only shot 2 of those 500gr. loads - I wouldn't have shot any - "hey, new owner, time to regulate your rifle"!! Yes- the gun weighs twice as much - go ahead, knock yourself out, have fun with it.
Yowser!

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: DarylS]
      #216201 - 06/09/12 06:26 AM

I'm really jonesin' (no pun intended) to see this behemoth all finished and spiffed up.
I sure hope the next project is as cool, your videos have been great.


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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: PHMadness]
      #216217 - 06/09/12 11:06 AM

My Father's health has now declined to the point were he require round the clock monitoring and assistance, so I haven't been spending any time in the shop. Eventually though I will get back to this project and get it finished up. I have some interesting builds coming up after this one. I'll be converting a 10 bore shotgun into a modern version of a 10 bore paradox rifle, and I have a matched set of 10 bore Purdey style muzzleloading SxS rifles to build. The matched set will have all the classic features, triggerguard grip, English Barlocks, patent breeches, etc. I'm planning to keep going with the video blog since the format seems to be working well and I'm getting more comfortable being and speaking on camera.

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Re: 2 Bore Jones Underlever SxS "The Double Deuce" [Re: CowboyCS]
      #216218 - 06/09/12 11:26 AM

I do hope your Dad's condition either improves or that he stays pain free and comfortable. Family close by can be the best care a man would want.

The comming projects sound great, Colin.

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