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Huvius
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DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!!
      #352951 - 01/05/21 07:54 AM

Recently I sold a reloading press on Ebay and accepted PayPal for payment.
PayPal is an Ebay company btw.
Well, I have been banned from using PyPal because that violates their "Acceptable Use Policy"

My account has been frozen and funds in my account cannot be accessed for 180days.
Luckily, I only had about $5 in my account!!

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Huvius]
      #352952 - 01/05/21 08:02 AM

Good to know - tks for the headsup.
One of the local (Canadian) airgun dealers uses Paypal, as does our Rod and Gun Club.
Interesting

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Rule303
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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Huvius]
      #352957 - 01/05/21 09:24 AM

That is strange, use our company to sell things but not the other part to be payed. Then again they have been known to do stupid things as well as plenty of hackers get into paypal. Reason I used it once over 5 years ago, closed the account but still receive e-mails from them. Maybe they figured out it was payment for a shooting related item.

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Rule303]
      #352958 - 01/05/21 12:31 PM

I get notes from them or maybe it's some hacker as well, Rule303.
I set up an account and used it once, maybe 6 years ago - that was it, closed down the account.

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Marrakai
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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: DarylS]
      #352965 - 01/05/21 06:15 PM

Huvius, are you saying that they consider the sale of certain shooting-related stuff to be unacceptable?

I've done most of my on-line commerce over the past decade or so through PayPal. Not selling, just buying, including the purchase of plenty of shooting-related stuff. Never had a hint of trouble.

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Marrakai]
      #352972 - 02/05/21 02:35 AM

This may be part of the new MORE-WOKE religion.

Our R & G club used to use Pay Pal for memberships online, but
due to having troubles with the outfit, no longer does so.

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Huvius
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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Marrakai]
      #352976 - 02/05/21 05:45 AM

Quote:

Huvius, are you saying that they consider the sale of certain shooting-related stuff to be unacceptable?




Must be.
The only things I have accepted PayPal for recently are two presses and an RCBS piggyback.

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85lc
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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Huvius]
      #352977 - 02/05/21 06:52 AM

Huvius,

Have you called and spoken to a Paypal agent? I had an issue with them some 10 years ago and called. They were able to resolve the issue quickly.

BTW, eBay started Paypal but apparently the two companies are separated. EBay required a separate bank account. I called eBay and was told that the two companies have separated.

Some people do crazy things. I bought a vintage gun case from England thru eBay and the seller used the eBay designated shipper. The eBay shipper said the empty wooden case was a restricted item and confiscated the box. EBay refunded my cost and the seller was out their merchandize. I expect some low watt saw the word "gun", put 2 nd 2 together and got 3.

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Huvius
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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: 85lc]
      #352978 - 02/05/21 07:53 AM

I really don’t care to pursue a reinstatement.
They have decided that they don’t want me as a customer. I still have Venmo and Zelle as well as the more traditional methods of paying and receiving.
PayPal can screw themselves.

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Huvius]
      #352983 - 02/05/21 05:47 PM

85lc I had a similar problem with eBay. I bought a shoulder holster from the US. The seller was using the eBay's Global Shipping Program. Their shipping company confiscated the holster. When I queried with eBay I was told the problem was that the shipper considered anything made of animal products to be restricted. The holster was leather and therefore they wouldn't ship it. eBay refunded the money however I still lost due to Paypal using a different exchange rate between the purchase and the refund.

Never again.


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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Hunter4752001]
      #352987 - 02/05/21 07:34 PM

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was told the problem was that the shipper considered anything made of animal products to be restricted.




Ridiculous such wokeness.

As for paypal, I don't think I have had a problem yet. So woll still use them. Don't have anything else except direct bank transfers. No merchant/credit card ability except through paypal.

I'm not selling firearms, so at least that does not trigger anything.

These woke businesses need to be curtailed however. Where wokies believe they can restrict anything they disagree with no matter how legal it is .

Funny is the same wokies would scream if a bakery refused to make a wedding cake for two homos.

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Marrakai
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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: NitroX]
      #352991 - 02/05/21 08:03 PM

Ah, ebay's Global Shipping Program!
Now that's worthy of a whole new thread!!

Do I enjoy paying an "import fee" and thirty USD shipping for something that can be posted in an envelope?!!
A Leather trade label was the last example.
I screamed black-and-blue, but in the end I needed the label so had to bend over and drop my dacks.

That 3rd party shipping company is a pack of thieves.

For a while I was PM'ing the sellers to let them know what ebay was charging me for shipping, and urging them not to use that option.
Now I just exclude US-based listings from my ebay searches.

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Marrakai]
      #352994 - 02/05/21 09:51 PM

Paypal has worked well for me...however Ebay Global shipping program charges for import-taxes on items we do not have import-taxes on. When I explain this to the sellers they can't do nothing.

I suspect Ebay for taking money that don't belong to them in first place. I haven't reported this to the danish revenue service...but really one should.

Edited by rigbymauser (02/05/21 09:53 PM)


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Yochanan
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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: rigbymauser]
      #353001 - 03/05/21 12:52 AM

I refuse to have anything with Paypal, as they offer crap service for exorbitant rates. now I use Wise it's much better, faster and cheaper. https://wise.com/

Ebay....time for more asprins. Amazon is even worse.

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Yochanan]
      #353019 - 03/05/21 05:44 AM

For me, the issue was that eBay's Global Shipping Program was run by incompetent people and there is not a way to talk to a competent manager and resolve the issue.

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: 85lc]
      #353022 - 03/05/21 06:26 AM

I must say I personally have only ever had 100% problem free shopping using PayPal including lots of firearm related parts.

As for ebay I have bought firearms parts and En Bloc clips numerous times and never had any problems.

The Ebay Global Shipping Program is a completely different kettle of fish. Run by leftist pricks. I also had an item that I bought using the Ebay GSP confiscated and my money returned. The seller was also payed and the item was seized. Unbelievable. I won't ever use that service again for anything.

Amazon I won't go near at all.

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #353037 - 03/05/21 07:38 PM

Amazon shops, Google shops etc, I don't use and haven't boyght anything direct from Amazon for a long time. Their postal charges have been uneconomical for a long time. No doubt IMO they price gouge on shipping to make extra profit margin.

PAYAPAL. Please discuss any ALTERNATIVES.

Something or some facility which is easy to use and join, Can allow purchasers to use a credit card. Or transfer money without excessive fees. Any TRUSTWORTHY not to disappear with your funds.

And obviously, not wokie terms and conditions.

Some names have been mentioned. It would be great to hear how those services operate.

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Longknife
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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: NitroX]
      #353046 - 04/05/21 12:15 AM

If you read paypal "Acceptable Use opolicy" it is very vague. Paragraph 2 section j reads

"""" (j) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (k) certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.""""


Here is the complete policy:

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full?locale.x=en_US

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: NitroX]
      #353058 - 04/05/21 06:49 AM

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Amazon shops, Google shops etc, I don't use and haven't boyght anything direct from Amazon for a long time. Their postal charges have been uneconomical for a long time. No doubt IMO they price gouge on shipping to make extra profit margin.

PAYAPAL. Please discuss any ALTERNATIVES.

Something or some facility which is easy to use and join, Can allow purchasers to use a credit card. Or transfer money without excessive fees. Any TRUSTWORTHY not to disappear with your funds.

And obviously, not wokie terms and conditions.

Some names have been mentioned. It would be great to hear how those services operate.




I use Wise, Revolut and N26 depeding on the need and task to accomplish. Paypayl is history...Wise and otehrs are so easy to use and fast. I bought soem gun parts in germany and paid with Wise transaction to bank account and money arrived in a few minutes
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https://travelfree.info/best-free-debit-cards-for-travellers/

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: Yochanan]
      #354039 - 05/06/21 02:30 AM

A friend was banned from using Paypal for selling German Military collectibles. Nothing that would be considered racist or hateful. So he used his son’s PP to collect on some items he sold. Son was banned. I told him about Venmo. He was doing well until the parent company Paypal caught up with him again. Shutdown again. Pretty bad when a retired veteran is trying to supplement his retirement is harassed by this commie company. I signed up with Guntab, a gun friendlypayment system, but have yet to use it.

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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: tarawa]
      #354052 - 05/06/21 09:24 AM

Ebay ripoff for things like books to Australia ,ridiculous shipping prices 50 ,80 $ to send a Book !!!!!!!! I try to get newer books from Book Depository in UK has Free shipping

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Rule303
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Re: DO NOT USE PAYPAL!!! [Re: 500Boswell]
      #354063 - 05/06/21 05:51 PM

Book Depository is the way to go for books.

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