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For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 Thompson Submachine Gun.
      #351522 - 19/03/21 01:45 AM

Notes:

  • This listing is also active on another forum that is primarily dedicated to machineguns.
  • All Class 3 laws and regulations apply and will be observed.
  • Machineguns are legal in most states. If you are interested, make sure you know your laws before buying.
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  • Though it's "off the beaten path" for this forum, I thought I would post here for the added exposure and for the interest of our members here.
  • Click on any of my photos here for BIG ones.



 
For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 Thompson Submachine Gun.
 
I am offering for sale my Colt Model 1921 AC, s/n 6835. 
 
I have been the proud owner of #6835 since May 25, 2011.  During my ownership it has been well loved and cared for and has been fired about 1000 rounds over several occasions.  I took it to Tracie Hill’s TATA gathering August 3-4, 2012, so many of you have seen the gun. Note that statement was directed to the people on the other forum.
 
Tracie Hill’s reference book shows that #6835 dates to October 1921.  It was sold to the Grosse Pointe Shores, Michigan Police Department by E.E. Richardson.  “Sold Only to Those on the Side of Law and Order!”
 

 
 
 
So here it is.  All of the photographs displayed here are current, taken March 15, 2021 in natural light outside.
 

 
 

 
 
The FBI case is not original.  It is a very nice and well-constructed reproduction.
 
This weapon remains complete and in excellent condition.  All original Colt parts are present.  All parts exhibit original finish.
 

 

 
Along the way I gathered up a lot of accessories and spare parts.  All will be itemized in this listing, and all are included in my offering.
 
Included in the sale:
 
Colt #6835
All original Colt ’21 parts
Walnut display stand (which I made)
Repro FBI case
PK ’21 parts
’28 parts
2 – spare GI extractors, new and unused
1 – spare GI firing pin, with spring, new and unused
1 – spare Savage Blish lock, new and unused (that makes 3 total)
2 – “L” Drums (one very rare)
1 – “C” Drum
9 – 30 round sticks
5 – 20 round sticks
Remnants of Russian parts kit, including full GI stock set, extra oiler, various small parts and springs
PK lower disassembly tool – used once
 
 
 
 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 
The foregoing photos should give a pretty good idea of what the gun looks like on the outside.  Inside it shows virtually no wear.  The bore is bright and shiny, with no pitting, corrosion, bulges, or dark spots. 
 
Now let me address the various parts and accessories.
 
First off, the irreplaceable Colt internal parts are mostly tucked away for safe keeping.  Here's where they have been for the last ten years:
 

 
 
 
So, what's in the box?
 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 
 
There are three sets of fire control parts.  In the gun, right now, as photographed above, I have Paul Krough's (PK) set of custom hybrid '21 parts, consisting of a '28 actuator (knurled) cut down to '21 dimensions, and his hybrid buffer and spring.  That's the way I like to shoot the gun - nice and smooth '21 speed.

Of course, you get the original '21 parts shown above.  I never have fired the gun with those parts installed.
 

 
Here are PK's hybrid '21 guts.
 

 
 
 
His '21 setup consists of spring and a hybrid spring guide.  The hybrid guide is one piece and uses a '28 buffer pad instead of the two piece arrangement with internal buffer pads of the original '21 design.
 
PK cuts down an original '28 actuator (supplied by the owner, me) to '21 dimensions, for use instead of the precious Colt '21 actuator.
 
Being ethical and honest, PK stamps his cut down actuator with an "S" (it was a Savage actuator) so it can't be passed off as original Colt.
 

 
 
 
All this is used with a bright GI bolt.
 
But also, you get a set of '28 parts if you want to shoot it in '28 configuration.  The '28 parts consist of a brand new '28 actuator (knurled) and GI guide and spring.  Here they are:
 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 
 
Also included is a NOS Blish lock and two NOS extractors.
 

 
 
 
But that's not all!  Magazines are included.
 
 
First some drums.  I have personally greased all my drums.
 
The first is a Colt era "L" drum, and it's a really rare bird.  It's a Stanley Works Co. "NO. number drum".  Please refer to pages 559-560 of Tracie Hill's, The Ultimate Thompson Book.
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 
This rare drum is almost like new.  You can be the first on your block to own one. 
 
 
 
 The next is a Numrich "L" drum.  It's the drum I normally use.  It runs perfectly.
 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 
 
And then there's the big whopper.  This is a Kahr "C" drum.  I've only run it a couple of times, but it runs perfectly and has been greased.  Some years ago I posted a thread on this forum in which I explained the tinkering I did to make this drum run. Note: Here again I am referring to a post on the other forums.
 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 
 
What about sticks?  Yes, there are sticks!
 
The deal includes five "XX" sticks; three Auto Ordnance, and two Seymour.
 
 

 
 
 
And there are nine "XXX" sticks.  Five Crosby and four Seymour.
 
 

 
 
 
Finally, there's a bag of left-over small parts from the Russian parts kit.  And don't forget the wonderful lower (frame) disassembly tool from PK.  It keeps you from scratching your lower when you flex the pivot plate.
 
 

 
 

 
 
 
This gun is on a Form 4 in Virginia.  It is fully transferable and C&R eligible.
 
All the above goes to the first buyer willing to pay $47,500.00.  In addition, the buyer pays the ATF transfer tax and the actual cost incurred for any shipping or delivery charges.  Transfer paperwork will commence upon full payment of the price.
 
I will be glad to provide any other information or photography within reason.  I also will be glad to show the gun to anybody who wants to travel to see it.
 
Contact me by email at:  stephens@cfw.com
 
Curl

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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 Thompson Submachine Gun. [Re: CptCurl]
      #351529 - 19/03/21 06:29 AM

I only hope is that it goes to a good home Capt!
To a proper collector & enthusiast.
I had the privilege of actually firing a Thompson at an indoor range in LA when we were over in the US, 10 years ago now - it was a blast for sure!
Here in Oz these are totally banned, so I made the most of it when I did.
They are surprisingly heavy for their size


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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 Thompson Submachine Gun. [Re: 93x64mm]
      #351531 - 19/03/21 10:52 AM

& a little bit heavier with an extra 70 rounds in the drum.
I almost had an opportunity to shoot Curly's Thompson, but the range was closed that day due to Hurricane Florence coming into the area in a couple days. We were all packed up to shoot and we were stopped at the gate. The model 1921 was full roar at something over 900 rounds per minute. The 1921 was slowed down for the models of 1928 & later.


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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 Thompson Submachine Gun. [Re: DarylS]
      #351536 - 19/03/21 03:22 PM

Hi Curl, say it is not true. You are selling it. Good luck with the sale.

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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 .... [Re: 93x64mm]
      #351538 - 19/03/21 08:50 PM

Quote:

I only hope is that it goes to a good home Capt!
To a proper collector & enthusiast.
I had the privilege of actually firing a Thompson at an indoor range in LA when we were over in the US, 10 years ago now - it was a blast for sure!
Here in Oz these are totally banned, so I made the most of it when I did.
They are surprisingly heavy for their size




Yeah, I visited the Gun Store in Las Vegas a couple of times in 2007 and shot the Tommy-gun. I was surprised by the attempted muzzle climb of the 45ACP in auto mode - like you said, it's a heavy gun.


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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 .... [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #351541 - 19/03/21 11:46 PM

John, I'm not getting any younger.

Daryl, It was a great disappointment we weren't able to shoot the day you were here. You must come back!

Curl

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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 .... [Re: CptCurl]
      #351565 - 20/03/21 08:55 AM

Did get to shoot the Steven's 44 1/2 and the .450/400 Farquarson though. That was good.
I would like nothing better than to make another trip to Virginia.

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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 .... [Re: DarylS]
      #351568 - 20/03/21 12:39 PM

Yeah, and I want to make another trip to Prince George.

Curl

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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 .... [Re: CptCurl]
      #351569 - 20/03/21 12:40 PM

Can't bring the Tommy Gun, though!

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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 .... [Re: CptCurl]
      #351570 - 20/03/21 12:45 PM

Hey, I might be counting the years, but I haven't quit the habit.

This week I bought a Model 1873 Winchester rifle, .38-40, in really nice shape. I haven't seen it yet, but it's coming.

Still have the disease for sure.

Curl

P.S. - I bought five Colt SAA revolvers in the past couple of months. I'm not ready to cash in my chips!

Colt now belongs to the Czechs. Jeez!

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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 .... [Re: CptCurl]
      #351572 - 20/03/21 12:47 PM

And don't forget the 10b Greener ball gun I bought in December. I have a mould and some cases incoming.

I ain't quitting!

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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 .... [Re: CptCurl]
      #351589 - 21/03/21 05:12 AM

Sounds great, Curly. Anytime. Well done on the purchases, too. Not may good condition m73's on the market up here.
The cowboy action crowd have sucked the market dry, pretty much.
One around here with a ringed chamber. Not sure how that happened. Taylor had it in his shop for a while.

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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 .... [Re: DarylS]
      #351653 - 23/03/21 06:54 AM

All I can say is WAUW...

Its a mans gun in every respect.

These sprayguns can't be owned by individuals overhere. I know there is a private museum that has them.

My dream gun.

Thanks for sharing. I have saved the images.


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Re: For Sale:  Colt Model 1921 AC #6835 .... [Re: rigbymauser]
      #351660 - 23/03/21 10:43 AM

I didn't get to shoot it, but I did get to handle it. Quite a piece and yes, much heavier than you would think. I think with the 100 round drum, might be in the 11 to 11 1/2 pound range.

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