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N320AW
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378 Weatherby: Why is it still around?
      #90861 - 07/12/07 06:10 PM

I perosnally have always felt the 378 WBY is an odd-ball cartridge, but Weatherby still sells plenty of them. I cannot figure this and have debated this cartridge, in my own mind, for years.

I suppose, if one wanted a long-range rifle for medium to large game . . . it may fit the bill, however, there are others that would do just as well. These are two problems I have with it. If you're going to churn up 6,000 Ft./.lbs of energy, why do it with a .375 caliber? I don't suppose there are many African hunters who regularly attempt to take a Cape Buff at 300 yards. I just cannot see the point of this cartridge! I know an Elk guide, in Colorado, who swears by his 378 for Elk.(?) I remember the old Weatherby ads in the 1960's. On the 378 they said, " for deep penetration . . ." I would imagine that a 378 with " solids " would indeed have great pentration, it's just that I feel something in the 40 caliber plus variety would be a lot better.

I had a nice MK-V in this caliber for a couple of years. I finally, and wisely, sent it off to Barnes Bullet's custom shop and had it re-barreled to .416 Rigby. Now there is a practical cartridge and one of my favorites.

Does anyone feel the same as I do about the 378 WBY?

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: N320AW]
      #90873 - 07/12/07 11:22 PM

This one was beaten right into the ground about a month ago on AR.

To save everyone having to repost

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4711043/m/220105557?r=742101657#742101657

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #90909 - 08/12/07 09:42 AM

I think the 378 is an often over looked and under appreciated round. It has been around for quite awhile and like you said, people keep buying them. For longer range hunting it does not have many equals. Its 300 to 400 yard down range energy is awesome. Personally, I like the cartridge for flat shooting long range its hard to beat. I know a lot of people here do not care for weatherby's, but I think they are a solid gun. The 378 does smack you around pretty good if you aren't used to it though, I will give you that.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: bigdog]
      #90913 - 08/12/07 11:40 AM

I read the AR thread. Geez! Now I got a headache. Everybodys got an opinion!

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: N320AW]
      #90915 - 08/12/07 12:18 PM



I like the 375 Weatherby over the 378.

Now that is an underestimated round that should not have been dropped IMHO.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #90930 - 08/12/07 02:20 PM

The 378 is a great long range cartridge for big game such as elk and moose.Real big bore impressive knockdown power.

I feel it has no advantage over a 375 H&H inside of 200 yds for dangerous game and the disadvantage of increased recoil.

I think that bullet diameter and penetration of the 375 on DG is perfectly adequate vs a 378.The 375 Wby is nice but I don't know that the extra 100 fps is worth it. I don't think the animal can't feel the difference.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #90933 - 08/12/07 02:24 PM


hopdoc

I agree with your last sentance in some ways but
as a longer range heavy hitter WITHOUT the recoil
of the 378 ???

I read up alot on it a few years back and most say it should have stayed and been used in that situation.

I def agree that most animals can't tell the diff of 100fps
inside of 200 yards.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #90986 - 09/12/07 02:47 AM

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I like the 375 Weatherby over the 378.

Now that is an underestimated round that should not have been dropped IMHO.




500 Nitro
One of my best friends is a Weatherby dealer and collector..that are AGAIN offering the .375 Weatherby..

Personally I am not a Weaterby fan in most cases--with the exception of the .257 Weatherby--

I have had 2 rifles built in that caliber with Hart barrels--they both shoot 1/4 inch groups..and are absolutely devasting on antelope, deer and coyotes..with the proper bullets have used on elk and bear as well..have it loaded with 100 gr ballstic tips or Barnes x's--RL-25--chrono at 3750 fps..great round for where I live....

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: Ripp]
      #90997 - 09/12/07 05:15 AM

I've heard the 375 Weatherby had a good reputation unlike the 378. The real question is the recoil worth the extra 150 fps ...

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: chuck375]
      #91013 - 09/12/07 07:17 AM


Ripp,

I'm not a Weatherby Fan but if I was going to own one
it would be a 375 and maybe a 300.

Just something about the 375 Wby.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #91023 - 09/12/07 10:05 AM

500Nitro

If you want a .375 Weatherby, I can probably arrange that...

Ripp

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #91029 - 09/12/07 10:56 AM

I'm not a Weatherby Fan but if I was going to own one
it would be a 375 and maybe a 300.

500,

You just summed up the problem with the 375 Wby. The shooters who think it is good are not Wby buyers, well at least not many are Wby buyers.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #93182 - 02/01/08 03:28 AM

N320AW

Most people can't handle the recoil of the .378 however, with a proper bullet it will take anything on the face of the earth. With the velocity the .378 produces it's the most important thing is supreme bullets. Good Shooting and Happy New Year Everyone.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: Scratch]
      #93296 - 03/01/08 09:46 AM

I had one ,it is a great elk/moose round ... But so is the H&H .. It'll kiss you like a crazy woman ..

I think the 460 is easier to shoot as far as felt recoil goes , If I hadda have a Webby again , well it'd be the 416 , that was a stroke of genius IMO ..

But as was said you need a GREAT bullet ..

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: 500Nitro]
      #93340 - 03/01/08 06:07 PM

Quote:



I like the 375 Weatherby over the 378.

Now that is an underestimated round that should not have been dropped IMHO.



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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: luv2safari]
      #95746 - 02/02/08 05:32 AM

I knew a french sportsman (not a PH)now deceased, who has shot over 119 forest elephant in both Cameroun and Gabon Over 30 plus years.
He claimed that With the .378 wby. one can apparently penetrate completely through the thickest part of an elephants skull and that no other cartridge caliber can do that in his experience..
He compared this to the .460 which he also loved but said typically the .460 did not go right through at the same location on the skull..
He said he was rarely able to recover bullets from the .378 but had plenty of .460 wby souvenirs.
I have no reason to doubt these clams.
I heave heard and read over the years, other people claiming the same things, citing the .378 wby as the penetration King..
One thing I can say about the .378 wby, is that because of that wby style stock, It kicks like all hell !
Chamber a Ruger no.1 in .378, Magnaport it and It's much more tolarable.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: squirrelmonkey1]
      #378916 - 27/08/23 12:44 AM

15 years later there is not much more to say about it.

I also only know this cartridge from the little that has been written about it, in particular that the recoil is said to be very unpleasant. It seems to have even fewer fans than the cartridge 460 WBY-Magnum.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: grandveneur]
      #380249 - 22/10/23 01:39 PM

Had several ,and liked them ,Recoil is over rated ,they dont kick that bad,[kicks like all hell is complete crap] and had a very early one Mark V with a pencil thin barrel and KDF muzzle brake ,you could shoot all day long ,did some buffalo shooting with another I built, and it dropped buffalo on the spot with Barnes 350gr TSX ,the fellow I was with, had a 375 H and H, nearly every one of his ran off after it was hit, then dropped ,will get another one one day if they dont ban them ,for scaring the Police\Politicians ,like what's happening in WA, ATM

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: grandveneur]
      #380253 - 22/10/23 02:24 PM

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15 years later there is not much more to say about it.

I also only know this cartridge from the little that has been written about it, in particular that the recoil is said to be very unpleasant. It seems to have even fewer fans than the cartridge 460 WBY-Magnum.



I don't see the point of the extra velocity in a big bore even a smaller big bore.

Instead go up calibres for increased effectiveness.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: NitroX]
      #380255 - 22/10/23 05:35 PM

I've owned mine for 5 years now. It's my go to for moose and brown bear. It works for me.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: 500Boswell]
      #380256 - 22/10/23 06:22 PM

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Had several ,and liked them ,Recoil is over rated ,they dont kick that bad,[kicks like all hell is complete crap] and had a very early one Mark V with a pencil thin barrel and KDF muzzle brake ,you could shoot all day long ,did some buffalo shooting with another I built, and it dropped buffalo on the spot with Barnes 350gr TSX ,the fellow I was with, had a 375 H and H, nearly every one of his ran off after it was hit, then dropped ,will get another one one day if they dont ban them ,for scaring the Police\Politicians ,like what's happening in WA, ATM



I can well imagine that the cartridge 378 Weatherby Magnum is a step up and represents an improvement over the cartridge 375 H&H Magnum. With the latter I also observed something similar when hunting buffalo. In addition, the cartridge 378 Weatherby Magnum is certainly better suited for the use of the very heavy bullets of this caliber class.



Edited by grandveneur (22/10/23 06:23 PM)

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: grandveneur]
      #380257 - 22/10/23 08:00 PM

What sort of hunting shots are owners here if .378s doing? What ranges? Real examples andcalso average examples please? If shooting targets what sort of accuracy are owners getting?

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: NitroX]
      #380258 - 22/10/23 10:26 PM

The problem is that there are hardly any owners of rifles caliber 378 Weatherby Magnum.

So far I have only known one person in my area who used a rifle of this caliber for hunting big game in Africa.

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: grandveneur]
      #380262 - 23/10/23 01:15 AM

I think the guy that hunted with myself with Matt Graham at Gan Gan back around 2005 when Matt was first buying Hunt Australia, I think it was Steve, used a ,375 Weatherby in a Ruger No.1.

I don't see much purpose for a .378. I think few people shoot well with the unnecessary recoil, and that is a reason it is unpopular.

I'd like to hear from owners, answers to my questions if any are on NE and would like to share.

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Edited by NitroX (23/10/23 04:10 PM)

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Re: 378 Weatherby: Why is it still around? [Re: NitroX]
      #380340 - 25/10/23 11:15 PM

Regarding a .378 Weatherby, recoil is never an issue on the internet.

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