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hoppdoc
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WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER??
#58105 - 01/06/06 10:03 AM

I have several big bore rifles but some seem to smack me worse than others. Most seem to fit well but bite just the same.

I have a 375 H&H, 416 Rem, 458 WM, and 470 NE among the serious big boys.I would rather shoot the 470 over the 458.

The scopeless 458 Wm is no fun with hot 500 gr loads weighing in at 8 pnds,6oz. I can't cycle the bolt as fast as I can shoot the 470 Double either.

All this groaning being said I must say that I didn't even feel the 458 gun kick when hunting.Mind over matter I guess.

What is your worst thumper? How would you make it better??

Thank you for any responses beforehand!

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Edited by hoppdoc (01/06/06 08:30 PM)

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORSE BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#58107 - 01/06/06 10:09 AM

My worst thumper isn't even a big bore. It's an older Remington Model 760 Carbine, pump action in 30:06, with an 18 1/2 inch barrel. With 220 grain loads, it just flat out wallops the snot out of me: much worse than shooting my 458 Win. Mag, or Ruger 416 Rigby.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORSE BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
#58111 - 01/06/06 12:14 PM

i'm new to the big bores... i have a .458 win mag on a ruger #1... with the 510 gr loads, its rough on the bench, trying to get a good sight-setting... with the 350 grain, it's easy to shoot.... i also shoot a winchester m70 in .375 h&h....i seem to notice more recoil from it than i do the .458....the ruger will get a mercury reducer later this month and a better recoil pad......the .375 will probably follow.... i have a 9.3 x 74 in a ruger #1 tropical on order... i was told friday that it will be here in about 3 weeks... i'm looking forward to that 1...i have plans to look at a 9.3 in a double this coming weekend.. good thing my significant other shares my shooting desires as much as i do... she received a colt gov't satin .45acp for mother's day....

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORSE BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#58115 - 01/06/06 12:44 PM

Got rid of my worst one.. A wonderful looking with all the bells and whistles, 450 Dakota African.. Thing would beat me to next week

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORSE BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#58122 - 01/06/06 02:46 PM

That would have to be my Gibbs 505!

However my 375 H&H was nasty at 8lbs!!

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORSE BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: Gibbs505]
#58129 - 01/06/06 03:37 PM

A 14.75 pound .600 NE caused me to black out momentarily, followed by a wave of nausea.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: MopaneMike]
#58140 - 01/06/06 08:37 PM

Had a friend who shot two Ele with a 450 Dakota with no muzzlebreak.I think it has 8000 ftpnd energy at the muzzle.
He wants a different rifle now.

He said he is looking for a 470NE/500 NE Double to hunt with instead of that 450--it bites BAD!!

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#58170 - 02/06/06 09:47 AM

Hoppdoc,

I once built a .416rem mag with a 22" barrel and it came in at about 7-7.5 pounds. Ouch was an under statement.

Once sighted in an ultra low weight .264win mag with 140grs rocketing out at warp speed. It weighed in the low 5 pound range. OUCH.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#58183 - 02/06/06 02:10 PM

I have a 450 dakota and max loads run out to 6766 ft. lbs. It kicks, but my stoutest gun is a 14 lb. 585 nyati loaded to 10300 ft. lbs. no break. I have a 600 O.K. coming, should be here in july. With max loads, it should be a real ball buster, we"ll see.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#58184 - 02/06/06 02:16 PM

Okay, I'll confess.

My Marlin 1895 .45-70 flyweight, shooting max loads of 400+ grain bullets, beats my .375s, my .416s, my .458 and my .500 all to hell in the recoil department.

It's just too light weight, with too much drop at heel. And with no recoil pad, it just damned well HURTS! My other, much more powerful, rifles are pussycats in comparison.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: bigdog]
#58185 - 02/06/06 02:19 PM

I forgot about a 10 lb. 500 nitro single shot ruger #1. I have run max loads of 570 grain bullets out to 2365 ft./sec for a hair over 7000 ft. lbs, it is a pretty good thumper. I have not been shooting in a couple of months since my boys accident. But I hope to start shooting again in several weeks. It is just hard since Kyle was my shooting buddy for the past 10 years.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: bigdog]
#58202 - 02/06/06 10:29 PM

Biggest is a 16.5lb 4 bore, 383gns 2F, 88gns lube and wads, and 2133gn conical at 1200fps. Knocked my glasses off and almost dropped the gun. Decided to back down a bit!

But the Worst..
Yet another Marlin, a 16.5" unported 50AK (an even 3kg) with a 13" lop. Shot 10 rds of 525/1865 before deciding this wasn't fun anymore and haven't touched those loads since.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORSE BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: 500grains]
#58226 - 03/06/06 08:02 AM

In reply to:

A 14.75 pound .600 NE caused me to black out momentarily, followed by a wave of nausea.

I fully understand, 500grains! I get a wave of nausea every time I look at a 600NE! I had a 577NE double that I got rid of simply because it was so unpleasent to shoot!
I wimp out at the door of the 500NE, in a 10.7 lb double. Anything bigger is useless to me. In the hunting field a 470NE isn't noticable, but on the range, even standing it isn't fun. I do all my practice with the heavies by stump shooting in the woods, much more like hunting. The range is for masacists, if big boomers are involved!

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORSE BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: DUGABOY1]
#58250 - 03/06/06 09:34 PM

I have a friend GD who had bragged he would shoot ANYTHING once.

I have relayed the story before but basically GD shot one barrel of a 600 Nitro Double. It knocked him down and dazed him.He thought he had a concussion.

HE NO LONGER SAYS HE WILL SHOOT ANYTHING ONCE!

My hats off to Mark Sullivan or others who shoot the 600 regularly. Not my kind of gun unless I have to hunt reborn Tyrannasaurus Rex's

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORSE BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#58379 - 06/06/06 02:42 PM

I have to agree with mrlexma...I had an older marlin 1895 and I cut the barrel to 16.25 inches. Loaded up some very warm 405 grain loads, and kept the original stock and recoil pad. Damn thing brought tears to my eyes every time I pulled the trigger. I could shoot no more than 2 rounds at a session before I would have to stop before developing a severe flinch.
Sent it back to Marlin and had them put a new 22" barrel on it, and I backed off the loads...now a pleasure to shoot.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#58429 - 07/06/06 10:18 AM

I shoot a very light 375 (under 8lbs w/scope & fully loaded), no problems. My 470 gets my attention. But the Browning/Winchester 1886 45/70 with 405 gr @ 1900+ fps that I used for American Bison (buffalo) has a curved steel butt plate.....hurt everytime I pulled the trigger. In fact, the buffalo reqired 2 shots and I remember them both! 5+ years since then, it hasn't been shot! I need to change the stock or settle for reduced loads.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#58451 - 07/06/06 04:04 PM

A .460 Weatherby that started out as a .458 CZ 550. No brake and the only weight that has been added is that from bedding it. Full power loads with 500 and 600 grain bullets are pretty harsh. My uncle is in the process of buying a .577 Tyrannosaur. I fired a few rounds of 750 grain bullets at 2200 fps. Felt VERY powerful, quite a big shove. It should get real interesting when we start trying out hotter loads.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: KennethI]
#58558 - 09/06/06 01:10 PM

Ruger # 3 45-70 500 grn handloads,
steel but plate, plus it gets your hand
every time.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#59077 - 21/06/06 02:23 AM

For shoulder bruising it is without a doubt the M1874 Sharps carbine reproduction loaded with hot 45-70 (405 at ~ 1900 fps). That little crescent steel buttplate tears you up in a hurry! The other "toy" that bruises the crap out of my shoulder is a Kalashikov (AKM) fired full auto for about 400 rounds in less than 30 minute (a welding glove is a recommended for the off hand).

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: ScottS]
#59364 - 28/06/06 04:38 AM

I have a 375 H&H that kicks a bit but nowhere near a bad as the wallop my 300 Wby mag gives me.

But...............my worst thumper is a 12ga. SxS shooting magnum turkey loads...............It kicks the snot out of me!!!!!!!!!!!!

After shooting that for Turkeys and Coyotes, I have no fear of getting a 416 Rigby

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#59410 - 29/06/06 05:19 AM

My 300 Wby kicks pretty good but by far the worst that I've owned and shot so far was a NEF single shot 12 ga. shooting 3" mag slugs. DAMN!!

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: Bloodnativ]
#59868 - 12/07/06 12:43 PM

I had a 7 1/4 lb 404 jeffery with a steel buttplate,it was nice to carry but things would get fuzzy when you shot it.
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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: WVFRED]
#60111 - 19/07/06 02:45 AM

I had a light weight Italian Sharps carbine replica in .45-70. Nothing was right about it and it hurt to shoot worse than any of my much larger guns. I could either keep shooting it to develop a monster flinch or get rid of it. It is gone.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: Plains99]
#60114 - 19/07/06 05:48 AM

have an italian single shot break breech 12 bore, very ligth , dont know the weigth but very ligth not more than 3 pounds.
its build like a poacher gun, you can turn the barrel for maybe 170 degrees so get it under the jacket.
Have take it allways for blackpowder plinking with 80-90 grains ffg and lee forster slug. hits like a horse and allways look for my teeth.
if someone was very cool on the range give him this gun and ammo and look what happens. many of them get it hard in the face, can see this when they shot.
tell me it was nice and I laugh when they gone.

Edited by pwm (19/07/06 05:49 AM)

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#60176 - 21/07/06 09:00 PM

I had a 375 H&H in a Remington KS Mountain Rifle. It weighed 6.5 Lbs and I tried to shoot it off the bench. I hated it! I put a large folded towel over my shoulder, instead of softening the blow it hurt me from my left ear to my right knee. I shot some big NT boars with it and felt nothing, but I still sold it!
I now have a 460 Weatherby with a brake. On this forum 460 Weatherby's with a brake are anathema!
I have a 375 Weatherby on a Ruger #1 Custom (long time members will remember the story of the hunt I did with NitroX) the #1 is still tough off the bench but much more manageble than the remington. I have bought a double in 9.3x74r plus 16 bore drilling (see other thread) I intend to use this in OZ for NT boars Vic Sambar and anything else that moves.
I have reloaded the 460 with the 400 grn Woodliegh at a very manageable 2600 fps. We shot a feral cat with it and it blew the back half off the cat as if it had been dissected in half. I have read a great deal about "shock" and I think this may be an example of shock. See Gregor Woods on Rifles for Africa, whilst respecting Boddington as I do he has a very different position on the need for magnum rifles!
PS I have spoken personally to many PHs about brakes and their almost unanimous opinion is to shoot a rifle that you can hit the target with! but they are probably mostly deaf! Don't tell anyone else on this forum that I have a rifle with a brake or they won't speak to me, but I reakon that if you need to shoot rabbit, goat, duck pig or paper, at some time in your life you need a 460 Weatherby.

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