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Wanabebwana
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.465 H&H cartridge
#266092 - 08/06/15 02:10 PM

Has anyone considered building a .465H&H on a standard Mauser 98 action. The cases can be made from .460WBY brass and bullets are available from Woodleigh. It has approximately the same length as a .404 Jeffrey. A drop box mag could hold 3-4 cartridges and even though it is a recent development (2003) it still has the H&H pedigree. 480gr bullets at 2375fps for 6012ft-lbs at lower pressures than a Lott. The only drawback I can think of is getting a barrel in that bore size.
Left to right: .375 H&H,.400H&H, .465H&H

Edited by Wanabebwana (09/06/15 04:01 AM)

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Wanabebwana]
#266094 - 08/06/15 03:52 PM

I'd personally love one. I think when H&H did there .400 and .465 bolt gun cartridges they made them absolutely classic in styling.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Ash]
#266095 - 08/06/15 04:06 PM

I'd love one of each, but not until I have enough doubles. (Laughs maniacally.....)

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Well_Well_Well]
#266101 - 08/06/15 07:05 PM

I think with those belts they are obsolete and useless. Ha ha he he , aboslutely not!

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: NitroX]
#266118 - 09/06/15 12:30 AM

I like the looks of the .400 H&H.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Wanabebwana]
#266119 - 09/06/15 12:39 AM

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Has anyone considered building a .465H&H on a standard Mauser 98 action. The cases can be made from .460WBY brass and bullets are available from Wooleigh. It has approximately the same length as a .404Jeffrey. A drop box mag could hold 3-4 cartridges and even though it is a recent development (2003) it still has the H&H pedigree. 480gr bullets at 2375fps for 6012ft-lbs at lower pressures than a Lott.
Left to right: .375 H&H,.400H&H, .465H&H

My .375 H&H Mag is made on a standard M98 action. It works OK, however, cartridges need to be made to "length" and also feed in to the magazine at an "angle".

I wonder as I thought the .465 H&H Mag needed a longer action? If cartridges are at a .404 length however, maybe you are right.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: NitroX]
#266130 - 09/06/15 05:12 AM

The .465H&H mag because of its long neck is loaded to a COL of 3.5" or less with 480gr Woodleigh soft points or solids.
They are rimless and will feed in a normal fashion. Should not be confused with .500/.465 NE which is a rimmed cartridge 3.9" long and designed for double rifles.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Wanabebwana]
#266134 - 09/06/15 06:08 AM

An interesting 4 gun-battery - .300H&H, .375H&H, .400H&H and .465H&H

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: JabaliHunter]
#266151 - 09/06/15 10:47 AM

I think the 400 H&H is the nicest of the two. I wish they had made it in .423 caliber though ...

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: JabaliHunter]
#266158 - 09/06/15 06:13 PM

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An interesting 4 gun-battery - .300H&H, .375H&H, .400H&H and .465H&H

Half way there.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: JabaliHunter]
#266168 - 09/06/15 07:29 PM

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An interesting 4 gun-battery - .300H&H, .375H&H, .400H&H and .465H&H

It would be cool to see a line up of all of these loaded cartridges and unloaded brass lined up together.

Any one got them all in either loaded form or brass or both, and can take a good photo for us? Thanks.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: chuck375]
#266219 - 10/06/15 03:28 PM

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I think the 400 H&H is the nicest of the two. I wish they had made it in .423 caliber though ...

What's wrong with the .404 Jeffrey?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Wanabebwana]
#266261 - 11/06/15 04:39 AM

Wanabebwana
Nothing wrong with the 404 Jeffery, these calibers mentioned above is just not in the 404 Jeffery`s league...

Edited by GPJ12345 (11/06/15 04:40 AM)

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: GPJ12345]
#266267 - 11/06/15 06:36 AM

I have held the original "400" and "465" in the London Showroom and they are both made on standard 98 actions . I was in London a few weeks ago looking at some new H&H bolt actions and noticed they are now made using newly manufactured 98 actions as opposed to original 98 actions. Great calibers and they are getting good reports from folks actually hunting with them
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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: JabaliHunter]
#267735 - 11/07/15 06:14 AM

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An interesting 4 gun-battery - .300H&H, .375H&H, .400H&H and .465H&H

300 H&H + 400 H&H is the ideal African battery. At least for me...

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: CZ_hunter]
#267950 - 13/07/15 11:04 PM

Who makes a .468 caliber barrel?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#267974 - 14/07/15 06:34 AM

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Who makes a .468 caliber barrel?

Here in Europe, Mr. Hambrusch - www.ferlachguns.com

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: CZ_hunter]
#269654 - 26/08/15 12:43 PM

Kreiger makes a .468 barrel. So all the components to assemble rifle and ammo are there.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Wanabebwana]
#272920 - 09/11/15 07:46 AM

It's a nice cartridge no doubt and it sure looks 'right'.

However, it's not on my 'want' list for a couple reasons. Why .468" when .475" bullets are already established and prevalent? The cynic in me says it was because it hadn't been done therefore they can CIP register it as their own. Smart business move but there is a reason it's not caught on 12 years after it came in.
They have obviously gone belted so that they can run a nice sloping shoulder so it feeds lovely but then you have the belt which fights that ideal. A 500 Jeffery necked down to .475" and a 20 degree shoulder would feed like silk.
Plus the greater case capacity would mean you could achieve more performance for a given pressure or the same performance at lower pressure.

Just my two pence like. We don't NEED more cartridges but I do like having plenty of choice, I just don't WANT a 465 H&H.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Bergen]
#272923 - 09/11/15 07:54 AM

To the above: H&H had a double chambering they came out with a century or so ago called the .465 nitro or something similar. This bore diameter for the .465 H&H will have been chosen for nostalgia's sake, this being the bore diameter of H&H in a previous cartridge. The name looks and sounds nice too.

As for belt defeating the purpose? Again, nostalgia. The belt on a .375, is it needed? It was to control headspace on those long, sloping shoulders - exactly what it does here as well. Let's face it, the .465 H&H has almost no shoulder, more a couple of tapers.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Ash]
#272924 - 09/11/15 08:03 AM

I agree. Nostalgia is lovely but I think they missed a trick to make a 'better' and more practical cartridge simply as they wanted to evoke memories of the past.
It's H&H, every rifleman knows them, they don't need a gimmick to attract customers.

I know why the belt was used originally, i just think they could have easily not had one with some basic revisions to the case.

At the end of the day, I'm hardly the target market for anything H&H produce so my opinion is void!

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Bergen]
#272940 - 09/11/15 11:30 PM

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At the end of the day, I'm hardly the target market for anything H&H produce so my opinion is void!

Me too!

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Ash]
#272943 - 10/11/15 12:22 AM

It's ok, I have a Rigby.... He's a 2 year old Boston Terrier, had to have something with the Rigby name on it!

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Bergen]
#289140 - 17/10/16 12:28 AM

Has anybody bought or built a 465 H&H? I'm looking at several 465 H&H cartridge drawings and I'm seeing two different rim diameters, one is .602 and the other is .579. I know the .579 is the rim diameter of the Weatherby cartridges. Anyone know which is the correct rim diameter for the 465 H&H? Could a rifle be made to feed both rim diameters reliably?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#289160 - 17/10/16 05:46 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Wannabebwana, I was looking at the www.hollandandholland.com web site, and came across the following;
https://www.hollandandholland.com/all-guns/holland-holland-bolt-action-magazine-rifle/

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Homer]
#289208 - 18/10/16 10:22 PM

How does the 'FZH Mauser 98' type action compare to a standard Mauser 98 action dimensionally? Could a Weatherby Southgate Mauser action be used to build a .465 H&H Belted Mag rifle?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#289259 - 20/10/16 02:47 PM

The FZH Mauser 98 is available in standard or magnum length.(That is what H&H uses). They are based on riginal Mauser dimensions. The Weatherby Mark V action would work but would not be the preferred action for an H&H cartridge. A Weatherby FN in .300Mag could be mod. to accept this cartridge but my original point was that any Mauser 98 large ring would do.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: chuck375]
#289350 - 24/10/16 07:38 AM

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I think the 400 H&H is the nicest of the two. I wish they had made it in .423 caliber though ...

Me too, I think it would've caught on more.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Homer]
#289923 - 07/11/16 02:20 PM

Go for the gusto 500 Jeffery or 505 Gibbs there's near beer light beer normal beer then there's malt lickety.ok a hundred year old hammer of the gods and a beefeater gin and tonic

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290190 - 12/11/16 01:35 PM

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Go for the gusto 500 Jeffery or 505 Gibbs there's near beer light beer normal beer then there's malt lickety.ok a hundred year old hammer of the gods and a beefeater gin and tonic

Agree! I have a 500 Jeffery and shooting it is like a maidens kiss ...

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Edited by chuck375 (12/11/16 01:37 PM)

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: chuck375]
#290191 - 12/11/16 02:14 PM

Yeah - right - maiden's kiss. Thick hard lips on that maiden.

Really nice board on that beast, Chuck.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: DarylS]
#290228 - 13/11/16 12:25 PM

Yeah my 505 Gibbs project is going nowhere I got an action and cases but the 416 project got in the way.that is an nice looking rifle.and I do like the looks of the 465 cartage.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Homer]
#290230 - 13/11/16 12:48 PM

What about loaded ammo and reloading supplies for the 465?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290232 - 13/11/16 01:11 PM

Thank you both, it shoots well too. Now I just need to get the kids through college and make it to Africa. I think a Weatherby Southgate FN Mauser would make a perfect basis for a 465 H&H to answer the original post.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: chuck375]
#290273 - 14/11/16 03:19 AM

I haven't found loaded ammo. I have Jamison 460 Weatherby Basis Brass that I reformed to 465 H&H. Woodleigh makes the bullets. I have several boxes of their 465 Nitro 480gr RN SN and have their 480gr Full Metal Jacket and 480gr Hydrostatically Stabilized Solids on backorder. I also have Quality Cartridge 465 H&H Magnum brass on backorder which is overdue.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#290275 - 14/11/16 03:42 AM

I've accumulated the parts I need to have the rifle built. I just haven't decided where to send them.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Homer]
#290296 - 14/11/16 02:18 PM

So is that about the biggest cannon shell that will fit in a standard action and how does it stack up power wise with the 425 WR?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290309 - 15/11/16 12:32 AM

from Wikipedia:
.425 Westley Richards Magnum: .435 410 gr @ 2,350 ft/s = 5,010 ft·lb
.465 Holland & Holland Magnum: .468 480 gr @ 2,375 ft/s = 6,012 ft·lb

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#290314 - 15/11/16 05:51 AM

70grs gives a thousand ft.lbs...wow.what about moddifiy the bolt face.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290318 - 15/11/16 07:15 AM

What would it be if you blew the case straight

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290319 - 15/11/16 07:30 AM

I built a 400H&H on a new Win MOd 70 and have shot numerous game with it and cannot say enough about this round. The 400 will probably go back to Africa in 2017 as a backup to my double for Buff and my rifle for Eland. Thinking this time around I will choose North Fork's .411 dia 360gr SP which should leave the barrel just south of 2500fps.
So I have in the safe a 300H&H,375H&H,400H&H and a 458 Lott, all derived from the same case. I would be willing to take that pic if you are still interested, but my photo skills are some what limited.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: zephyr]
#290349 - 15/11/16 11:41 PM

Jamison 460 Weatherby Basic Brass is approx. 3" long w/parrell sides and inside case diameter is .55.
I think this case was used to develop the .550 Express(2.650") and the .550 Magnum(3.000").

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#290356 - 16/11/16 03:31 AM

Is there a cartage with a slight neck to 500. Then standard bullets and barrels.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290359 - 16/11/16 06:17 AM

Zephyr, I would certainly be interested in some pics, of the other rifles as well.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290365 - 16/11/16 07:10 AM

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Is there a cartage with a slight neck to 500. Then standard bullets and barrels.

495 A square is based on the 460 Weatherby will be the ticket!
570gn pill at 2400fps!

Sorry I draw the line at a .500NE!

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: 93x64mm]
#290371 - 16/11/16 09:32 AM

I shot a .460 necked up to shoot .510" bullets. The rifle was built on a ZKK 602 action. I suspect this should have been called a .505 Barnes Supreme.

The box as I remember it, was marked .510/460 WTBY - 125gr. of IMR3031 600gr. Barnes 2,450fps - supposedly. I do not know if that load is a safe one, but that is what was as I remember the markings on the box.

I later checked and found the .460 WTBY used up to 126gr. of H4831 with the 500gr. Hornady.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: DarylS]
#290411 - 17/11/16 08:49 AM

Midwayusa just cancelled the Quality Cartridge 465 H&H Magnum brass backorder.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#290818 - 25/11/16 12:22 PM

That sucks

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#379830 - 05/10/23 01:24 AM

Is there any news regarding this cartridge ?

I have hardly read anything about weapons built for this cartridge, let alone seen one.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: grandveneur]
#379842 - 05/10/23 09:34 AM

If the 460 Weatherby was the starting cartridge then they have swaged a belt onto it. The parent case for the 460 Weatherby I believe was the 416 Rigby so one should be able to do the same or just make it a beltless 465. Sourcing brass would be easier.

I suspect this cartridge is probably dead and buried.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Rule303]
#379852 - 05/10/23 04:20 PM

It certainly wasn't successful.

Unfortunately, when you see how things went with the cartridge 460 WBY-Magnum, not much more could be expected, despite the reduced load. In addition, the cartridge was primarily intended for rifles from Holland & Holland, rifles that not everyone can afford.

Things look a little different with the cartridge 450 Rigby, in a comparable caliber class, as you can also have it in serial rifles in the meantime. But I don't know whether this cartridge will be very successful.

I think that the competition with much cheaper equipment in caliber 458 Win Mag or 458 Lott is very tough, and that the current trend among clients is anyway towards smaller calibers.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: grandveneur]
#379854 - 05/10/23 04:30 PM

H&H would not being making many rifles anyway. Success is not measured by numbers made.

If ammunition can be supplied with the rifle it will last out most H&H buyers needs.

No one professional would buy a .465 H&H.

However professional users do buy the .450 Rigby.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: NitroX]
#379855 - 05/10/23 04:51 PM

I don't know what is it at this time with ammunition 465 H&H Magnum. Wolfgang Romey in Germany produced for Holland & Holland ammunition for this cartridge in the past, but this firm is no longer active.

I can imagine that PH's use the cartridge 450 Rigby in weapons that are not too expensive, but that remains a small market for this cartridge.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: grandveneur]
#379856 - 05/10/23 06:05 PM

Rigby planned for 50 rifles when they first released their Big Game model rifle in the first year. They received orders for 150. Most would have been .416s. But some .375s and 450s I believe.

I don't like to comment on numbers because I don't know for sure, but big name Brit makers don't make many rifles per year. Often only a handful of less. More shotguns.

That's a disaster if Romney is no longer in business. We need some reputable specialist semi custom ammunition makers.

Having said that I managed to buy some 9.3x74R ammo from a gun shop this week. Unheard of. They had x72R as well. And four different brands of 300 GR 375 H&H.

One wouldn't get a rifle made if the gunmaker could not supply ammunition, if ammunition,or components were not available.

I noted on the .318 WR rifle thread, WR supplied 200 cartridges of Kynoch 250 gr Woodleign RNSP with the rifle. Maybe that will last the needs of the owners use of the very fine rifle? It wouldn't last me!

But would be enough for a half dozen safaris, some driven game hunting and the occasional boar, red stag, or moose each year.

But I'd want to occasionally practice with the rifle as well.

Edited to correct Android spelling ...

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: NitroX]
#380431 - 29/10/23 03:28 AM

I think Holland and Holland could've legitimized two rounds and had a great deal more success. The 404-375 H&H wildcat (an unimproved 375 H&H necked up to take .423 bullets) and the 470 Capstick. Both based on the 375 H&H case, both fine cartridges in my opinion.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: chuck375]
#380435 - 29/10/23 11:34 AM

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I think Holland and Holland could've legitimized two rounds and had a great deal more success. The 404-375 H&H wildcat (an unimproved 375 H&H necked up to take .423 bullets) and the 470 Capstick. Both based on the 375 H&H case, both fine cartridges in my opinion.

That would have made sense to me. Though for sales I would have made the 404-375 on an improved case.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: NitroX]
#380442 - 29/10/23 03:59 PM

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That's a disaster if Romney is no longer in business. We need some reputable specialist semi custom ammunition makers.

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I noted on the .318 WR rifle thread, WR supplied 200 cartridges of Kynoch 250 gr Woodleign RNSP with the rifle.

I believe I was told Kynamco/Kynoch is no longer making ammunition. Is this so?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: NitroX]
#380454 - 30/10/23 02:55 AM

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That's a disaster if Romney is no longer in business. We need some reputable specialist semi custom ammunition makers.

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I noted on the .318 WR rifle thread, WR supplied 200 cartridges of Kynoch 250 gr Woodleign RNSP with the rifle.

I believe I was told Kynamco/Kynoch is no longer making ammunition. Is this so?

I have heard/read the same.
A rather moot point here in the USA as there has been no Kynoch importer for quite awhile.

Sourcing the vintage Brit cartridges in the USA is tough, even for one that reloads; Bertram brass is scarce/unobtainable and of course Woodleigh is still rebuilding with no bullets available here either.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Rule303]
#380465 - 30/10/23 11:06 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I think Holland and Holland could've legitimized two rounds and had a great deal more success. The 404-375 H&H wildcat (an unimproved 375 H&H necked up to take .423 bullets) and the 470 Capstick. Both based on the 375 H&H case, both fine cartridges in my opinion.

That would have made sense to me. Though for sales I would have made the 404-375 on an improved case.

Here a picture of a 404-375 H&H round, basic 375 H&H brass, an improved 404-375 H&H round and a 404 Jeffery round.

The improved round is the 375 H&H brass resized in a 404 Jeffery die. Looks like it has room for a few more grains of powder.

I still haven't built he 465 H&H that I showed on the second page.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#380467 - 30/10/23 01:42 PM

Might be the photo, but the Jeffery round appears to be larger in diameter from the base to the shoulder, than the .404-375 "improved".
Ahh - Google checked, the .404 Jeff. is .545" at the base, and .523" at the shoulder. Thus, it will likely have greater capacity than the .404/.375, due to the considerable capacity difference.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: DarylS]
#380472 - 30/10/23 04:29 PM

People talking about H&H copying some wildcat, has H&H ever done anything but original?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: NitroX]
#380512 - 01/11/23 03:55 AM

Maybe they should since both the 404-375 H&H and 470 Capstick based on the 375 H&H. Their 400 and 465 H&H cartridges were ludicrous.

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