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jgrabow
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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Homer]
#289208 - 18/10/16 10:22 PM

How does the 'FZH Mauser 98' type action compare to a standard Mauser 98 action dimensionally? Could a Weatherby Southgate Mauser action be used to build a .465 H&H Belted Mag rifle?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#289259 - 20/10/16 02:47 PM

The FZH Mauser 98 is available in standard or magnum length.(That is what H&H uses). They are based on riginal Mauser dimensions. The Weatherby Mark V action would work but would not be the preferred action for an H&H cartridge. A Weatherby FN in .300Mag could be mod. to accept this cartridge but my original point was that any Mauser 98 large ring would do.

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chuck375
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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: chuck375]
#289350 - 24/10/16 07:38 AM

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I think the 400 H&H is the nicest of the two. I wish they had made it in .423 caliber though ...

Me too, I think it would've caught on more.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Homer]
#289923 - 07/11/16 02:20 PM

Go for the gusto 500 Jeffery or 505 Gibbs there's near beer light beer normal beer then there's malt lickety.ok a hundred year old hammer of the gods and a beefeater gin and tonic

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290190 - 12/11/16 01:35 PM

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Go for the gusto 500 Jeffery or 505 Gibbs there's near beer light beer normal beer then there's malt lickety.ok a hundred year old hammer of the gods and a beefeater gin and tonic

Agree! I have a 500 Jeffery and shooting it is like a maidens kiss ...

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Edited by chuck375 (12/11/16 01:37 PM)

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: chuck375]
#290191 - 12/11/16 02:14 PM

Yeah - right - maiden's kiss. Thick hard lips on that maiden.

Really nice board on that beast, Chuck.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: DarylS]
#290228 - 13/11/16 12:25 PM

Yeah my 505 Gibbs project is going nowhere I got an action and cases but the 416 project got in the way.that is an nice looking rifle.and I do like the looks of the 465 cartage.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Homer]
#290230 - 13/11/16 12:48 PM

What about loaded ammo and reloading supplies for the 465?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290232 - 13/11/16 01:11 PM

Thank you both, it shoots well too. Now I just need to get the kids through college and make it to Africa. I think a Weatherby Southgate FN Mauser would make a perfect basis for a 465 H&H to answer the original post.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: chuck375]
#290273 - 14/11/16 03:19 AM

I haven't found loaded ammo. I have Jamison 460 Weatherby Basis Brass that I reformed to 465 H&H. Woodleigh makes the bullets. I have several boxes of their 465 Nitro 480gr RN SN and have their 480gr Full Metal Jacket and 480gr Hydrostatically Stabilized Solids on backorder. I also have Quality Cartridge 465 H&H Magnum brass on backorder which is overdue.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#290275 - 14/11/16 03:42 AM

I've accumulated the parts I need to have the rifle built. I just haven't decided where to send them.

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ducmarc
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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: Homer]
#290296 - 14/11/16 02:18 PM

So is that about the biggest cannon shell that will fit in a standard action and how does it stack up power wise with the 425 WR?

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290309 - 15/11/16 12:32 AM

from Wikipedia:
.425 Westley Richards Magnum: .435 410 gr @ 2,350 ft/s = 5,010 ft·lb
.465 Holland & Holland Magnum: .468 480 gr @ 2,375 ft/s = 6,012 ft·lb

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#290314 - 15/11/16 05:51 AM

70grs gives a thousand ft.lbs...wow.what about moddifiy the bolt face.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290318 - 15/11/16 07:15 AM

What would it be if you blew the case straight

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290319 - 15/11/16 07:30 AM

I built a 400H&H on a new Win MOd 70 and have shot numerous game with it and cannot say enough about this round. The 400 will probably go back to Africa in 2017 as a backup to my double for Buff and my rifle for Eland. Thinking this time around I will choose North Fork's .411 dia 360gr SP which should leave the barrel just south of 2500fps.
So I have in the safe a 300H&H,375H&H,400H&H and a 458 Lott, all derived from the same case. I would be willing to take that pic if you are still interested, but my photo skills are some what limited.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: zephyr]
#290349 - 15/11/16 11:41 PM

Jamison 460 Weatherby Basic Brass is approx. 3" long w/parrell sides and inside case diameter is .55.
I think this case was used to develop the .550 Express(2.650") and the .550 Magnum(3.000").

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#290356 - 16/11/16 03:31 AM

Is there a cartage with a slight neck to 500. Then standard bullets and barrels.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290359 - 16/11/16 06:17 AM

Zephyr, I would certainly be interested in some pics, of the other rifles as well.

Waidmannsheil.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: ducmarc]
#290365 - 16/11/16 07:10 AM

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Is there a cartage with a slight neck to 500. Then standard bullets and barrels.

495 A square is based on the 460 Weatherby will be the ticket!
570gn pill at 2400fps!

Sorry I draw the line at a .500NE!

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: 93x64mm]
#290371 - 16/11/16 09:32 AM

I shot a .460 necked up to shoot .510" bullets. The rifle was built on a ZKK 602 action. I suspect this should have been called a .505 Barnes Supreme.

The box as I remember it, was marked .510/460 WTBY - 125gr. of IMR3031 600gr. Barnes 2,450fps - supposedly. I do not know if that load is a safe one, but that is what was as I remember the markings on the box.

I later checked and found the .460 WTBY used up to 126gr. of H4831 with the 500gr. Hornady.

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jgrabow
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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: DarylS]
#290411 - 17/11/16 08:49 AM

Midwayusa just cancelled the Quality Cartridge 465 H&H Magnum brass backorder.

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chuck375
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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#290818 - 25/11/16 12:22 PM

That sucks

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: jgrabow]
#379830 - 05/10/23 01:24 AM

Is there any news regarding this cartridge ?

I have hardly read anything about weapons built for this cartridge, let alone seen one.

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Re: .465 H&H cartridge [Re: grandveneur]
#379842 - 05/10/23 09:34 AM

If the 460 Weatherby was the starting cartridge then they have swaged a belt onto it. The parent case for the 460 Weatherby I believe was the 416 Rigby so one should be able to do the same or just make it a beltless 465. Sourcing brass would be easier.

I suspect this cartridge is probably dead and buried.

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