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Wanabebwana
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Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action.
#265621 - 28/05/15 10:25 AM

My pick of the best big game and dangerous game cartridges for a standard Mauser action with a drop box magazine( 3.4")
.375 Dakota
.404 Dakota
.416 Rigby Short (2.65" case)
.450 Rigby Short (2.55" case)
.470 Rigby Short (2.65" case)
.505 on .460 WBY case (2.65")
.550 Express

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: Wanabebwana]
#265646 - 29/05/15 07:45 AM

Mr Brenneke's 9.3x64mm, (all his x64mm family) was specifically designed to do just that, scraps in at 3.37".
True may not be a stopper, but more than capable as told by John Taylor about his German friend who had one - using solids to kill elephant with it!
93x64mm

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: 93x64mm]
#265653 - 29/05/15 12:00 PM

Choosing only from that list, 404 Dakota.

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: SharpsNitro]
#265662 - 29/05/15 01:14 PM

Are we talking hunting rounds, or stopping rounds - can be a huge difference. Seems most people think stoppers.
My favourite round isn't even on there - .376/06IMP.

My Mk10 Mauser chambered this ctg. carries 5 + one in the chamber and easily does over 2,450fps with 300's. It also does over 2,600fps with 270's - both exceed the published velocities of the original .375H&H made in 1912 and those ballistics which the .375 produced to develop it's reputation as a great ALL - ROUND HUNTING ctg. for the big 5.

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: DarylS]
#265665 - 29/05/15 01:59 PM

Could somebody tell me which kind of cartridges are .416 and .450 Rigby short ?

My own selection would be 9,3x64, 10,75x68, .404 Jeffery and then, the last but not least would be 11,2 x 72 Schüler.

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: Igorrock]
#265682 - 30/05/15 01:23 AM

Because I'm a weirdo, I'd go for the .425 Westley Richards.

It was designed to feed through the 98 Mauser action and meets the accepted DGR standard of 400 grains at 2400 feet per second.

Downside: it's a real oddball nowadays, though Pac-Nor will make the required .435" barrel and brass and bullets are available.

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: TRX]
#265684 - 30/05/15 02:17 AM

.425 WR is interesting caliber but I have read that making m98 Mauser to feed it flawless you need to do some not-so-easy conversions to action/magazine. Rebated rim is the main reason.

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: Igorrock]
#265688 - 30/05/15 03:39 AM

Quote:

Could somebody tell me which kind of cartridges are .416 and .450 Rigby short ?

My own selection would be 9,3x64, 10,75x68, .404 Jeffery and then, the last but not least would be 11,2 x 72 Schüler.

+ 12,7x70 Schüler(500 Jeffery)

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RobertL
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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: Igorrock]
#265691 - 30/05/15 05:15 AM

Igorrock,
The rim of the .425WR has the same dimention as your prefered 11,2X72 Schueler.
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Igorrock
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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: RobertL]
#265692 - 30/05/15 07:02 AM

Yes, you are correct, RobertL. It seems that my judgement of reason is wrong but despite of that it too seems that it would be easier to build well working 11,2x72 caliber rifle than .425 WR. So the reason should be some another detail of shells profile.

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: Igorrock]
#265738 - 31/05/15 01:07 PM

404 or 500 Jeffery depending on your stopping needs and recoil tolerance.

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Wanabebwana
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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: chuck375]
#265754 - 01/06/15 02:39 AM

Igorrock The cartridges mentioned are Wildcats that already exist or could be made from existing cases and bullets. For example a .450 Rigby with its 3.7" length requires an action much longer than a standard 98 Mauser.But A square has a .450 based on a shortened Rigby case that will outperform the Win and the Lott and fit in a standard magazine.
.450 A-Square beltless.

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: Wanabebwana]
#265764 - 01/06/15 07:36 AM

Regarding Mauser 98' standard length action : .500 Jeffery
With opened action: .404 Rimless.

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Wanabebwana
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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: DORLEAC]
#265772 - 01/06/15 11:05 AM

I would have to agree with Chuck375 and Dorleac that the best CLASSIC rounds for a Mauser 98 and the ONLY ones I would consider for a high end custom rifle would be the Jeffrey duo mentioned above.
If I were to rechamber a .458 Win Mag I would consider the .458AR (Accurate Reloading) based on a blown out and shortened .404 case or the .450 A-Square pictured above based on a 2.5" improved Rigby case. The .375 Dakota and .375 Ruger would be better choices than the .375H&H for a 98.

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DarylS
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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: Wanabebwana]
#265778 - 01/06/15 03:30 PM

An 8x68S case necked up, or .375 Ruger necked up could also be considered, even if the .8x68S was shortened to 2.5" or 2.6". It would still have increased capacity over the .458 WM. and with a 40 degree shoulder, more enough for proper headspace. None hand loaders need not apply.

Sounds like some new wildcats to me. LOL

I'd make them up for Jose L. in Spain, if I had a Ruger .375 - hmmmmm - might know just where to get one!

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: DarylS]
#265821 - 02/06/15 12:07 PM

Have been very happy with both my 458WM and 425WR, both on standard length M89's;

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HunterGunner
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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: ozhunter]
#265911 - 04/06/15 04:51 PM

Halfway through building this 416 Ruger on a standard M98. Cartridge fits nicely in the action with some of the normal mods.

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: HunterGunner]
#265916 - 04/06/15 10:32 PM

At last!
.416 Ruger if you have a belt-phobia, .416 Taylor if you are immune to such debilitating illness!

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: Marrakai]
#265931 - 05/06/15 07:13 AM

The Ruger should produce the goods, 400gr. at 2,400fps, at lower pressures than the .416 Taylor or .416 Remington, having 6gr. more capacity than the Rem. - too, it does not have that useless belt, either.

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chuck375
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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: DarylS]
#265941 - 05/06/15 12:53 PM

Yeah that useless belt has really made the 375 H&H an obsolete and useless cartridge ...

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: DarylS]
#265944 - 05/06/15 03:40 PM

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The Ruger should produce the goods, 400gr. at 2,400fps, at lower pressures than the .416 Taylor or .416 Remington, having 6gr. more capacity than the Rem. - too, it does not have that useless belt, either.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to running it over the crony to see what she'll do fps wise. Just running the off the shelf Hornady ammo til I get some dies. I've got some 350gr woodleighs to try when I do.

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: chuck375]
#265945 - 05/06/15 03:55 PM

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Yeah that useless belt has really made the 375 H&H an obsolete and useless cartridge ...

He wasn't saying the cartridge was useless, just the belt, and he's dead right too. With positive shoulder angle there is no need for a belt. It was just marketing tool on most 1950's and newer magnums which is why they are doing away with them now as they are no longer a worthy selling feature.

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chuck375
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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: HunterGunner]
#265984 - 06/06/15 08:48 AM

I think the belt is needed for non-bottleneck rimless cartridges, but I agree with you both they are not needed on a bottleneck cartridge. Doesn't seem to hurt anything though, the 375 H&H feeds "like butter".

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: chuck375]
#265986 - 06/06/15 09:19 AM

500 Jeffery ,shooters seem to be obsessed by all these new odd bod rounds ,where would you find ammo for them if you lost your ammo in Africa ? 500 Jeffery will flatten anything

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Re: Best DG cartridges for Mauser 98 action. [Re: 500Boswell]
#265987 - 06/06/15 09:20 AM

or a 404 Jeffery ,would be the only ones i would consider

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