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wombat
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CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue
      #19794 - 17/10/04 10:08 AM

I have noticed it is possible to accidently slide the
safety to the ON position when rapidly working the bolt of
my CZ Rigby - not ideal!
Does anyone know where you can get a Mod 70 style safety
to fit?

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Will
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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: wombat]
      #19798 - 17/10/04 05:13 PM

How in the world do you do that? Using heavy gloves?

I do not like the 3-position Mod. 70 safety.

It might be easier to find a longer bolt handle.

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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: wombat]
      #19812 - 19/10/04 05:55 AM

Hi Wombat.

By general consensus, certainly in Africa, the CZ safety is hardly ideally designed. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that it works the "wrong way round". Your experience often manifests: even without "wearing heavy gloves".

However, I agree with Will regarding the M70 safety – for me, nothing beats the original Mauser "flag". But the M70 safety is probably the best you can do at a sensible price. It is a vast improvement on the original. There must be retrofits available in the U.S. or if not a good "genuine" gunsmith can solve your problem, albeit at a price. But, as I am currently living in Spain, the best I can suggest is to give Ed at AHR a call: he may well be able to help. With all due respect to Will, forget the longer bolt: there is absolutely nothing wrong with the original.

Other than the safety, it is a great action for the money - and the .416 Rigby is a great calibre. Just get that safefty fixed, and enjoy!

Martin

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Will
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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: Martin]
      #19815 - 19/10/04 08:43 AM

I think we need to make sure we are talking apples and apples. I am assuming that the CZ safety is "ON" when in the rearward position and the "FIRE" position when in the forward position, unlike the old Brno ZKK rifles.

I tried this on a CZ and indeed the safety can be place in the "ON" position when the bolt is open, albeit only just slightly in the "ON" position, not all the way rearward.

How one can inadvertentally do this is beyond me.

The bolt handle on the CZ 550 Magnums leaves something to be desired, IMO. They are too short for the thick wall on the American stock and the pear shape of the knob is hard to grip when under "sweating hands conditions." I should not admit this but I put some heat shrink rubber on the bolt knob on the Lott that I had.

When my other CZ Magnum gets back from being rebarreled it is getting a new bolt handle.

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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: Will]
      #19830 - 19/10/04 06:32 PM

Hi Will.

My apologies. It seems we are talking “apples and oranges” here. I should have prefaced my post accordingly. I am not familiar with the rifles currently imported into the U.S. and was basing the post on the rifles I knew when I lived in Africa.

Martin

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Will
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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: Martin]
      #19832 - 19/10/04 09:03 PM

Martin,

No apologies required here.

I wish I had never read this post, as I don't want to be paranoid about accidently pushing the safety to "ON" when operating the bolt.

For me anyway, I think this is a non-issue. I have enough to worry about when hunting dangerous game.

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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: Will]
      #20023 - 26/10/04 03:08 AM

A flag safety? Well in todays world they do not work with scopes...Good safety but strictly a iron sight proposition. An FN safety does not work well with a scope either as it rests against the scope bell on safe and it very awkard to flip off in a stress situation...

I, like most of the world today, prefer the M-70 3 pos. safety on all my bolt guns...

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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: wombat]
      #20250 - 31/10/04 03:26 AM

I have heard the same thing, but I've never had this happen to me. Being a bolt gun, high power competetive shooter, I had a coach teach me a way of operating a bolt gun to get all my shots off in the time frame during rapid fire strings. I slide my trigger finger to the bolt handle, place my thumb on the left side of the rear of the receiver or bolt shroud to operate the bolt. As I close the bolt, I drop my finger in the trigger guard and on the trigger. It probably keeps the rest of my hand completely away from the area of the safety. My PH said he never saw anyone cycle a rifle faster than me, besides leaving the rifle on my shoulder during this process. I've use Remingtons with a similar safety for decades, but never hit the safety.

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wombat
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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: HackSawTom]
      #20414 - 03/11/04 04:52 PM

This was indeed exactly the way I was cycling the action when it happened!

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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: wombat]
      #20876 - 14/11/04 05:11 AM

Hi all. I have just found this forum. Wow. What a cool site.

Try www.midwayusa.com
or www.brownells.com

They are both here in the US but I have found them to be very knowledgable and helpful. Give them a call or send them an email and tell them your problem. I'm not familiar with CZ specifically so I can't really comment.

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Will
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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: wombat]
      #26322 - 15/02/05 12:43 PM

Wombat,

I am bringing this topic back from the dead because you are correct. Been playing with the CZ safety, and when the safety is "off" and the bolt is opened and pulled back, the safety can be placed in the "on" position if it is "accidentally" knocked backwards.

When the bolt is pushed forward and closed, the safety lever moves foward by being pushed by a lug on the bolt body, but not all the way to the "off" position, and is still in the "on" position, preventing the trigger from being pulled (keeps the rifle from firing). This is potentially a big problem.

A spring loaded lever with a roller gets high centered on a "corner" of the plate that makes up the saftey. A slight nudge towards the "off" position gets the corner of the safety safety off of high center and it returns to the "off" detent.

It would seem that grinding off just a bid of this high point on the safety plate would fix this problem. I will try it and report back.

All of my CZ's seem to have this characteristic (flaw).


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Edited by Will (15/02/05 01:51 PM)

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wombat
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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: Will]
      #26335 - 15/02/05 05:48 PM

Thanks for the explanation as to the cause of the problem.
I have since gone to the considerable expense of having
a 3 position safety fitted-I included a pic on another post.Dan Joubert at fineguns@lantic.com can provide 3 pos.
safeties if anyone so desires,the usual US supplier is no longer making them I have been told.

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Will
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Re: CZ 550 416 Rigby safety issue [Re: wombat]
      #26436 - 17/02/05 06:35 AM

After talking to CZ it is uncertain as to whether the design is "by design" or not. I am going to modify mine such that it elimantes the problem. Everyone has to make that decision on their own.

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