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Reggie
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.416 Taylor
      #177831 - 29/03/11 09:54 AM

For some reason, the forums on the .416 Taylor petered out about 2 years ago. So, I thought I'd stir up the pot - again.

To those who already enjoy their Taylor:

While jacketed bullet in my Taylors (I only have two of 'em now) work well, I have been having an extremely good time in making and shooting 350-gr. cast bullets. It is almost sinfully easy, the price-per-round is REALLY low, the accuracy is phenomenal and they strike game like lightning!

To those who still waffle on owning a Taylor:

Lots of Luck! You're missing out on one of the most efficient and fun calibers to shoot!

Yes, there are .416 Rigbys, .416 Rugers, Weatherbys, Chey-Techs, etc., etc. You won't find a .416 that is easier to build, cheaper to feed, or more reliable in use than the .416 Taylor!

OK - that's the kickoff. Let's hear the responses....

Reggie

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: Reggie]
      #177851 - 29/03/11 06:16 PM

OK Reggie I will stir you back..forget those cast dino`s and outfit yourself with some Woodleigh Hydro`s

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: gryphon]
      #177856 - 29/03/11 07:12 PM

Geez Reggie, now you're gonna fire me up as well.
I have both a 416 Taylor and a 416 Ruger, and at the moment I wouldn't give you two nobs of goat shit for the Ruger.
The Taylor is so much more efficient in my book, and as you know, I shoot a lot of cast bullets through both of mine.
So much so, I'm seriously thinking of selling the Ruger, this might just be the first rifle I've ever sold, normally I just keep adding them on, not being able to part with any of them.

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Con
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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: Reggie]
      #177858 - 29/03/11 08:56 PM

Quote:


OK - that's the kickoff. Let's hear the responses....




Reggie,
I shoot a standard length action shortened 45cal RUM wildcat ... I can get 400gr at 2580fps and just raise a sweat.

Also started playing with a short action length RUM cut down in 45cal ... it will equal the Taylor in a handier package.

So what's to like about the 416Taylor?

In all honesty though ... if I was going 416cal ... I'd forsake all for a Taylor.
Cheers...
Con

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: Con]
      #177909 - 30/03/11 11:29 AM

So 450 Ackley What exactly is the problems you are having with the 416 Ruger?

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: bigjedd]
      #177915 - 30/03/11 12:29 PM

I just can't get any speed out of it without pressure issues.
I'm still trying powders though, I don't give up that easily.
It must be mentioned my barrel is a tight one as well, which is never going to help.

DC

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #177920 - 30/03/11 12:44 PM

What sought of speed are you looking for?

I dont think the 416 ruger was designed to do much more than 2400fps with a 400gr bullet which is a what the 416 Rigby was renowned for.

I have been experimenting a bit with AR2206H powder and the last 5 shot groups with 340gr Woodleigh bullets and 80grs powder averaged 2584fps and with 400gr Frontier bullets and 76 grs powder averaged 2361fps.

These were just the first loads using this powder and there was no pressure signs in fact I was able to seat the 400 grs in to the cannelure for the first time which was impossible when loading with AR2208 due to compressing the powder too much. This was in my 20" barreled ruger Alaskan.

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: gryphon]
      #177942 - 30/03/11 05:29 PM

Hi, John -

Whenever a rampaging garbage truck (or something similar in size and intent that breathes) has to be stopped, I will use the 350gr Speer Hot Cores at 2500fps!

Until then, the 350gr RCBS casts at 1800fps eat up everything else - from crows on up!

Seriously, I have shot a LOT of different calibers - over 50-years of shooting/reloading. But I doubt that I have had more fun than with the Taylor.

Sadly, my shooting days now seem to be over, but my oldest son (Reg) has been bitten HARD by the Taylor. He has others, but shoots the Taylor much more.

Good Luck and stay in touch...

Reggie

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Reggie
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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #177943 - 30/03/11 05:31 PM

Know how you feel about turning one loose, but the Taylor just WORKS! You don't need any other 416.

Reggie

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Reggie
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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: Con]
      #177944 - 30/03/11 05:33 PM

Until you use a Taylor, you can't really appreciate it! Believe me, you don't know what you're missing.

Reggie

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: Reggie]
      #177950 - 30/03/11 05:59 PM

Reggie , You need to tell us what you think of the Taylor LoL !

Have you got shares in a reloading die company !!!

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: Reggie]
      #177952 - 30/03/11 06:06 PM

Quote:

Until you use a Taylor, you can't really appreciate it! Believe me, you don't know what you're missing.

Reggie



In good humour I'll bite Reggie.

I shot a .416 Taylor once. It was in a Boyds laminated stock (half the problem me thinks) and with a 20" barrel. It was a vile, poisonous and horrendous creature. Like a grown up .243. All muzzle blast, noise and drama.

Then I fired my CZ .416 Rigby. The recoil was stout but sweet, like the embrace of a Beer Maiden during Oktoberfest. (I'd better stop now).

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: tophet1]
      #177953 - 30/03/11 06:29 PM

BigJedd,
I can't get much over 2100 fps with a 400 grainer, that's using AR 2206H, but 68 grains of it has my primers as flat as a pancake. And I've got a 26" barrel!
I'd be happy with 2200-2300.

Might be time for the fire-lapping I think...

David

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: tophet1]
      #177954 - 30/03/11 06:30 PM

I remember on AR some the of the "gurus" years ago were saying the .416 Taylor was marginal in the DG stakes.

Yet the same "gurus" praised the .450/400s to no end as ideal?

Made myself popular by pointing that out.

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #177955 - 30/03/11 06:31 PM

Tophet,
I'll have to change your mind for you, mines really nice to shoot, you'll need to have a few shots one day.

David.

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #177960 - 30/03/11 07:11 PM

I'd love to. The one I shot was a Bitza. (Bits of this and Bits of that)

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Con
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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #177962 - 30/03/11 08:24 PM

Quote:

BigJedd,
I can't get much over 2100 fps with a 400 grainer, that's using AR 2206H, but 68 grains of it has my primers as flat as a pancake. And I've got a 26" barrel!
I'd be happy with 2200-2300.

Might be time for the fire-lapping I think...




Cripes ... that is slow! What projectiles? If you can ... try Bertram's 416s as they're tapered and only full size on the heel. May be able to push them faster through your tight bore.

But I'd look at AR2208 and compress it if necessary as I feel AR2206H is too fast a powder in this case capacity.
Cheers...
Con

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: Con]
      #177985 - 30/03/11 11:49 PM

Now we're talking. I have been using the .416 Taylor in Africa since 1995 and love it. I have used a few other big bores, 416 Rem. 470 Capstick etc. but always go back to my Taylor. I am in the process of having a .375 Chatfield Taylor built on a BRNO action.

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: tim416]
      #177988 - 31/03/11 01:39 AM

I would have thought 2050 to 2150 fps is quite OK for a .416 Taylor?

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: NitroX]
      #177994 - 31/03/11 02:29 AM

I think it is like a lot of things "we know too much". If we couldn't chrony our loads I am sure we would overestimate our velocity and they would still kill well.

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: FATBOY404]
      #177998 - 31/03/11 03:08 AM

Nitro, 2150fps with bullets that size seems to have worked for 120 years ! best

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: NitroX]
      #178022 - 31/03/11 07:29 AM

NitroX,
In a long barrel, I'd have expected at least another 150fps. Primers 'flat as a pancake' I'd have expected at the 2300fps+ mark.
Cheers...
Con

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: tophet1]
      #178026 - 31/03/11 08:07 AM

Quote:


Then I fired my CZ .416 Rigby. The recoil was stout but sweet, like the embrace of a Beer Maiden during Oktoberfest. (I'd better stop now).



That was worded very well! Made my day!

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: Con]
      #178027 - 31/03/11 08:07 AM

Oddly enough, the EXACT same load of 2206H in the Taylor gets me about 2300 fps, this is what has lead me to believe I have a slow/tight barrel, also slugging is proved it is very tight, just something I either live with in the Ruger, or I get rid of that barrel and get a Pac-nor, which I should have done in the first place.
The Ruger and Taylor barrels are even consecutively serial numbered, the Taylor is Stainless and the Ruger Chrome-moly, identical profiles and lengths.
I have since found out said barrel maker laps his stainless barrels, but not the Chrome Moly ones, which will account for some variation, also the reason behind the "fire-lapping" comment.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a speed freak at all, as long as I can get the minimum velocity required to make the power factors for Big Game target events, I'm happy.
Never been one to load the crap out of anything.

I apologise for any comments in jest re the Ruger cartridge, I do actually think it should be a great performer, and I like the look of it. I shouldn't make those comments from one experience, bad form.

I am using Woodleigh 400 and 410 grain soft points, and have a stock of 400 Taipans as well. will try to get some Bertram's, and I'm waiting on the Bullet Factory to gear up as well.

Regards,
David

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Re: .416 Taylor [Re: 450_Ackley]
      #178035 - 31/03/11 08:44 AM

Con those velocities you mention are about what I am getting and would expect from the 416 Ruger Cartridge.

450Ackley those sure are low figures you are getting but I am wondering about that powder load you are using, seems a bit low, considering 416 remington is meant to be similar capacity. ADI list 71 grs as minimum starting load for the 416 Remington and you are 3 grns below that. I know I can get reasonable velocity from 76grs in the standard Ruger Alaskan chamber.

Comparing the load with the 416 Taylor may be a mistake as the Taylor case capacity is only 86 grs where as the 416 Ruger capacity is 95.7 grs. Thats near 10grs more capacity.

Maybe you are getting excess pressure from too light a load.

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