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mehulkamdar
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Magnum Mauser action made in Norway
#113736 - 06/09/08 12:34 PM

Ragnar and Roger Hansen's M 78 Mauser action. It is supposed to be made from ultra high tensile steel and comes with a massive price - $ 15000 or so in the white.

Hopefully, our Scandinavian friends could shed more light on this company and its products.

Good hunting, everyone!

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: mehulkamdar]
#113745 - 06/09/08 02:57 PM

It looks like a nice action for "only" US$9350.--

Never have heard of them, but ofcouse I haven`t heard about everything

For that kind of money(If I had them), Hartmann und Weiss M98 would be my 1st choice above all

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: rigbymauser]
#113757 - 06/09/08 04:41 PM

i think these guys are on drugs

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: peter]
#113805 - 07/09/08 05:16 AM

IIRC a member of a Norwegian gun forum, built a rifle using that action. I think in 577 T-rex.

The gunsmith is one of the better known among Norwegian shooters and does good work.
I agree, I wouldn't pay $10k for that action either, but just for reference, if I were to import a standard $4500 AHR DG rifle to Norway, the final cost after export fees, tax etc would be approx. 6600-6700....
A Heym Express bolt gun starts at about $10k as well IF i remember correctly.
So in a way, the price isn't that bad in that context.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Cardinal]
#113807 - 07/09/08 06:17 AM

Hansen's done a few things for me throughout the years. Some of their work has been ok, some has been kind of sloppy IMO. It's a father and son operation, they are both extremely moody, and they have unusually high opinions of themselves. Basically they think everyone else (except H&W) makes crap, at least from what they've told me...

The 577 T-Rex was made for a Danish man who lives in Norway. As far as I recall, things were constantly delayed, for a couple of years I think, although I seem to remember that he was pleased with the final product. Hansen has not made many of these actions "M78". I might be wrong, but I don't think it's been more than a handful at the most. Maybe even only a couple. He's made a hell of a lot more of his Remington M700 take-off.

For the price he's asking, I'd just as well go for an M98 from Prechtl or Ritterbusch (or H&W, funds permitting!), which are well proven, high quality actions. Which by the way I am sure are not inferior to the "M78", despite the Hansens having claimed they are.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: EricD]
#113808 - 07/09/08 06:26 AM

Hansen welded a M98 bolt handle for me several years ago. A friend had his HS Precision rebarreled by them and he was happy with the result. As I recall, that project was slightly delayed too.

Iv'e also heard that about them being arrogant.

Personally, I don't think I would ever pay that much for a hunting bolt gun. My limit would probably be a AHR or similar.
When you reach 10k+, it would be a double rifle or a specialized custom long-range target gun.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Cardinal]
#113821 - 07/09/08 10:00 AM

All that money without even an integral recoil lug?

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Paul]
#113839 - 07/09/08 12:04 PM

Gentlemen,

Thanks for the responses. A friend tells me that the rifle at the bottom of this page is a 577 T-Rex made by them. Looks nice and very expensive. My curiosity is because I like to find new (at least for me) gunmakers and post about them here. Just a part of the learning process, nothing else. Hopefully, there are others who enjoy that kind of thing.

So, now you know: the Nitroexpress Forums are an academic exercise of sorts for me and that is why this is my home on the net.

Good hunting, everyone!

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: mehulkamdar]
#113871 - 07/09/08 07:53 PM

Is there a big quality difference between a Hartman und Weiss action and a Prechtl or Ritterbusch action?

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Naren]
#113887 - 08/09/08 12:12 AM

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Is there a big quality difference between a Hartman und Weiss action and a Prechtl or Ritterbusch action?

I don't believe there is. I'd add Recknagel and Dumoulin to the list of top-quality modern, commercial Mauser 98 actions.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: pinotguy]
#113900 - 08/09/08 01:56 AM

Purely a neophyte question: Is there a large difference in performance between a CZ 550 magnum Mauser-variant action and one of these very expensive true Mauser actions? I bought my CZ Safari Classic from the CZ custom shop (which may be a bit of a misnomer)for $1100 (included a mercury recoil reducer, action job, glass bedding, dual crossbolts, high Vis front sight etc.). After sending it to Ed and Wayne at American Hunting Rifles (AHR) for their CZ #1 upgrade (fill and straighten bolt, single stage gorgeous trigger, Model 70 type 3 pos safety, NECG masterpiece rear sight etc.) I still have just about $2000 into my rifle. I know anyone paying more than $2000 for an action is in a different financial ballpark than I am, but what is the performance difference? So if I ever win the lottery, I know what I'm getting ...

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: chuck375]
#113903 - 08/09/08 03:28 AM

Very nice CZ!
I feel the same way about the pricing of these newer magnum length actions.
What about the actual magnum 98 Mausers now available?
Why not buy a real Mauser from Mauser themselves? Double square bridge, solid left wall, classic styling - super nice looking but I haven't seen one in the flesh. The only thing about those which I don't care for is the rosewood forend - I like ebony or horn better.
Mitchell's mausers even carries them.

http://www.mauser.org/rifles/M98%20Mauser%20Magnum/index.htm

Also, I hear a lot about "modern" steels. Is there any appreciable difference functionally in a new action or a vintage original mag. Mauser action?

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: pinotguy]
#113909 - 08/09/08 04:44 AM

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Is there a big quality difference between a Hartman und Weiss action and a Prechtl or Ritterbusch action?

I don't believe there is. I'd add Recknagel and Dumoulin to the list of top-quality modern, commercial Mauser 98 actions.

And Johannsen

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: JabaliHunter]
#113910 - 08/09/08 05:20 AM

Reimer Johannsen uses Prechtl actions in his rifles and i think his rifles are not the same quality as KHR or H&W, have seen lots of Johannsen rifles and i was unimpressed...

Edited by Naren (08/09/08 05:26 AM)

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Naren]
#113911 - 08/09/08 05:24 AM

H&W guns are just so well finished - as probably the others are (Recknagel and Dumoulin etc).

As to the difference between a Magnum Mauser and a CZ Action,
to be honest if it's just a using gun, use whatever you want IMHO - they both achieve the same objective and I have seen some superb 500 Jeffrey's and 505 Gibb's built on CZ's (and M17's) and compared to my Magnum Mauser 505 Gibbs ??? It's nice to own but they all kill the same in the field.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Naren]
#113915 - 08/09/08 06:12 AM

Thanks for the info Naren. Didn't know they were Prechtl actions - I thought he did them himself. Saw some in the white and they looked pretty good... Don't think I've ever seen a finished bolt rifle to rival H&W though...

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: JabaliHunter]
#113922 - 08/09/08 06:42 AM

As with Johanssen rifles, Mauser uses Prechtl actions too.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: EricD]
#113937 - 08/09/08 09:00 AM

ErikD - sorry to correct you but Prechtl makes complete rifles for Sigarms with "Mauser Original" name on them... look at his internet site:
http://www.golmatic.de/Waffen_EN/jagdwaffen_en/galerie_en/bild_16.htm
http://www.golmatic.de/Waffen_EN/jagdwaffen_en/galerie_en/bild_12.htm
see the "mauser original" signs...

You don`t buy "real" Mauser rifles they are Prechtl products under different brand - nothing to worry through Prechtl rifles are of highest quality...

Jabalihunter - Johannsen uses Prechtl mauser actions, Walther Lothar barrels and Recknagel components like open sights, scope mounts... Good components but the rifles craftsmanship, fit and finish are more comparable to "lesser" rifles like Heym than to true Master Gunsmiths... Options list is also limited, and you must pay lots of money for anything "non-standard" that is if you convince him to make that what you want... While Ritterbusch, Hartmann&Wiess and Theo Jung will make a totally bespoke gun with virtually any option thay you may want to have in your rifle... if you have the money that is

I have a friend in Germany who is a firearms journalist and he says that in the last few years the two Gunmakers i have mentioned above (KHR and TJ) really steped up in qualitty and now make a comparable product to Hartmann und Wiess... So look for new K.H.Ritterbusch and Theo Jung Mausers...

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: EricD]
#113938 - 08/09/08 09:01 AM

Erik / Cardinal,

What I have heard is that the rifle on Lutz Moeller's website was built on an action made from ultra high tensile steel by the Hansens. I guess Sweden is THE place to get this kind of steel from Sandvik and others with very high strength. Not sure if it was absolutely neccessary, but, I guess, when you pony up $ 9350 for an action you need the cachet of something special . . .

Do you gentlemen know something about it?

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: mehulkamdar]
#115009 - 21/09/08 03:47 AM

Actually the price is around 2700.00 US at current rates. Not that bad in reality.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: westley476]
#115018 - 21/09/08 08:22 AM

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Actually the price is around 2700.00 US at current rates. Not that bad in reality.

I suspect you are looking at the Remington M700 clone price. His M98 clone is NOK 55.000,- which equals about US$9500 with the current rates of exchange.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: EricD]
#115020 - 21/09/08 08:29 AM

Naren,

You may well be right! It's been a couple of years since I last talked with him and previously he (at least from what he told me), only supplied the actions. I wonder if this is perhaps the case, as it seems to me that the more recent rifles made by "Mauser" look more like the other rifles Prechtl makes than the ones made several years ago (which were rougher if I recall correctly). Before that though, he definitely made a couple of hundred rifles for the 1898-1998 anniversary.

Mehul, sorry, I don't know. FWIW though, I was told a few years ago by Karl Heinz Ritterbusch that his actions are made from Italian steel.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: EricD]
#115021 - 21/09/08 08:50 AM

So what about the recoil lug? Am I nuts to think the Swedish action doesn't have one? Is it better to just throw on a collar at the knoxform than forge or mill a lug into the action?

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Paul]
#115094 - 22/09/08 08:16 AM

Quote:

So what about the recoil lug? Am I nuts to think the Swedish action doesn't have one? Is it better to just throw on a collar at the knoxform than forge or mill a lug into the action?

Paul. take no notice of the first actions shown on the Hansen site, they appear to be Rem 700 clones, the uber Mauser one in discussion is right at the very foot of the page, it appears to have some obvious Win 70 features about it too.
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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: shinz]
#115122 - 22/09/08 02:14 PM

Thanks Steve,
Now you mention it, this may have been mentioned earlier without me reading it properly. Seeing the prices, I'd probably been stunned somewhat.

- Paul

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Paul]
#115131 - 22/09/08 03:36 PM

Harumph,

Fellas,

I think it's called a Nock's Form (Titled after Henry Nock, gunmaker)

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Naren]
#115133 - 22/09/08 04:35 PM

Quote:

I have a friend in Germany who is a firearms journalist and he says that in the last few years the two Gunmakers i have mentioned above (KHR and TJ) really steped up in qualitty and now make a comparable product to Hartmann und Wiess... So look for new K.H.Ritterbusch and Theo Jung Mausers...

I'll keep my eyes open

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Paul]
#115139 - 22/09/08 05:41 PM

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Seeing the prices, I'd probably been stunned somewhat.
- Paul

Know what you mean mate.

You guys at least have a slightly better exchange rate than ours.

Steve

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: kamilaroi]
#115145 - 22/09/08 06:38 PM

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Harumph,

Fellas,

I think it's called a Nock's Form (Titled after Henry Nock, gunmaker)

You're probably right. I can't even remember where I got my spelling - probably 'Australian Outdoors' c. 1966, but that's the way I saw it. Having been a proofreader for many years, I should have looked it up.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Huvius]
#115172 - 23/09/08 12:55 AM

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Very nice CZ!
I feel the same way about the pricing of these newer magnum length actions.
What about the actual magnum 98 Mausers now available?
Why not buy a real Mauser from Mauser themselves? Double square bridge, solid left wall, classic styling - super nice looking but I haven't seen one in the flesh. The only thing about those which I don't care for is the rosewood forend - I like ebony or horn better.
Mitchell's mausers even carries them.

http://www.mauser.org/rifles/M98%20Mauser%20Magnum/index.htm

So, the magnum Mauser "dangerous game" rifle sold by Mitchell's is actually a modern DSB action made by Mauser itself? I assumed it was a good aftermarket action they had made into a nice looking rifle.

If you can get a real Mauser made DSB magnum length action rifle, with really good styling and a list of custom features for around $9K, then why does anyone go anywhere else? I have never understood the high prices charged by Johanssen, with which rifles I've been unimpressed (think along the lines of nice Ruger). Even used, they're still 5 figures.

The photo on the website may not be representative (and I notice suspiciously that you can't blow it up to get any detail at all) but it looks like they've done a top notch job on the architecture.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: EricD]
#115207 - 23/09/08 09:46 AM

Christ! At that price, they can keep it.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: westley476]
#115230 - 23/09/08 02:26 PM

Sometimes I think the only organic substance more formidable than the skin of pachaderms is the hide of certain luxury-goods makers. While I can see $16,000 for a German double rifle as good value, $9000 for a turn-bolt action is enough to make a dog laugh, to borrow a Pepysian phrase.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Paul]
#115236 - 23/09/08 02:57 PM

Link directly magnum on Mauser's site:
http://www.mauser.com/M-98-Magnum.79.0.html?&L=1

Paul, as for the $9K price, try buying a magnum mauser action, barreling, stocking, tuning and finishing to a high standard and you will see that nine grand in a hurry.
Although I don't think the high price increases for original Mauser sporters will neccesarily be repeated with the modern versions, I don't doubt that, if the finish is up to snuff, these new Mausers will be valuable in the future. Anyway, its nice to buy the original.

Mauser makes it sound as if they make their own 98's
http://www.mauser.com/1999.183.0.html?&L=1

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Huvius]
#115245 - 23/09/08 06:27 PM

Thanks Huvius,
Yes, it seems Mauser even still make a version with the original wing safety, but I couldn't find the prices. It seems some people in Africa still like that safety but it beats me. In locked-bolt position it's deadly slow; standing up it's noisy for a right-hander and prone to being bumped off. The only variation I've ever liked was a right-side low-scope effort, which could be disengaged with thumb and forefinger for quietness or the just the thumb for speed, but was only safe when protected by a scope. None provide much assurance against a weak trigger spring.

Mauser's other safeties look OK but if the rifles cost anywhere near $9000 I'd prefer the sliding ones on a German double at twice the price.

- Paul

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Paul]
#115448 - 25/09/08 05:16 AM

All:

Don't know if it has been mentioned already, but Briley (of shotgun choke tube fame) is selling "Original" Mauser rifles here in the Houston, TX area. As I remember, the 375 H&H I looked at was selling for ± $9800. Remember, I have slept since then and am getting old, so I could be wrong. It was a nice looking rifle with good fit and finish, but I thought they were a little "proud" of it for my taste. Additionally, I shoot from the left side and according to Briley, "Original" Mauser's don't come in left hand. For this reason, I could be a little prejudice.

Anyway, just my bit of trivia to add to the mix..............Lee

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: wellplugger]
#115453 - 25/09/08 05:41 AM

Wellplugger, FWIW, and if you are not aware of it, Ritterbusch makes M98's for lefties.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: wellplugger]
#115489 - 25/09/08 03:51 PM

Wellplugger,

AFAIK, like the "Luger" trade name which is owned in the USA by an American company, the "Mauser" name was also owned by someone who sold it to Briley a couple of years ago. The Mauser rifles that Briley offers here are, however, the same as on the Mauser website, from SIG who own this name in the rest of the world.

As my friend Erik D points out, the SIG retailed Mausers are offered in left hand versions. Perhaps, Briley don't import these for reasons that only they know.

Good hunting, everyone!

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: mehulkamdar]
#115495 - 25/09/08 04:57 PM

Mehul, I'm not so sure that SIG Mausers (Prechtl actions) come in left hand versions. If so, then that is news to me.

Although I am positive that Ritterbusch makes them.

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Naren]
#306118 - 08/10/17 03:13 PM

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ErikD - sorry to correct you but Prechtl makes complete rifles for Sigarms with "Mauser Original" name on them... look at his internet site:
http://www.golmatic.de/Waffen_EN/jagdwaffen_en/galerie_en/bild_16.htm
http://www.golmatic.de/Waffen_EN/jagdwaffen_en/galerie_en/bild_12.htm
see the "mauser original" signs... You don`t buy "real" Mauser rifles they are Prechtl products under different brand - nothing to worry through Prechtl rifles are of highest quality...

Jabalihunter - Johannsen uses Prechtl mauser actions, Walther Lothar barrels and Recknagel components like open sights, scope mounts... Good components but the rifles craftsmanship, fit and finish are more comparable to "lesser" rifles like Heym than to true Master Gunsmiths... Options list is also limited, and you must pay lots of money for anything "non-standard" that is if you convince him to make that what you want... While Ritterbusch, Hartmann&Wiess and Theo Jung will make a totally bespoke gun with virtually any option thay you may want to have in your rifle... if you have the money that is
I have a friend in Germany who is a firearms journalist and he says that in the last few years the two Gunmakers i have mentioned above (KHR and TJ) really steped up in qualitty and now make a comparable product to Hartmann und Wiess... So look for new K.H.Ritterbusch and Theo Jung Mausers...

Bumping an old topic...PM sent.

Does anyone have current contact info for Ritterbusch? Are they still in business? Their website is dead and email bounced back...

I'm in the market for a takedown rifle and their system was interesting.

It appears that a Johannsen uses the same system. Anyone have experience with Johannsen rifles?

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: Paul]
#306137 - 09/10/17 11:49 AM

They must worship at the alter of PT Barnum. He said "It's wrong to allow a fool to keep his money"

I see a nice action. Not any nicer then a Winchester M-70 and not as classic and beautiful (in my eyes) as a pre-war M98 Military Mauser. I doubt it's any better then a CZ Magnum action either. Both
the M-70 and the good M98s I can find for under three hundred, and in the case of the Mauser, under $250 many time. Sure, I have to open them up and make them work if I want a large cartridge to feed, but I assure everyone I can do that work, have done it several times, and I can do for MUCH less money.

Just to illustrate the point, here are some pictures of harry Sleby's 416 Rigby, Made on a STANDARD length M98 Mauser.

Selby's Rigby by Steve Zihn, on Flickr

Here is my 404, (not checkered yet) also made on a standard length M98.

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA by Steve Zihn, on Flickr

$9,000 to $15,000 for just an action seems to be an open insult to the intelligence of any shooter or hunter ever born,----------- but maybe PT Barnum was right.
We'll see.

Edited by szihn (09/10/17 11:51 AM)

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Re: Magnum Mauser action made in Norway [Re: szihn]
#306529 - 17/10/17 01:29 PM

It's an ugly bulky looking action,,looks like dumoulin magnums that are very ugly.......paul

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