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what a mess ... cape buffalo charge
      #386122 - 31/07/24 05:15 PM

What a mess. Rifle, then handgun, then bow, then rifle again.

What happens on a stunt hunt ...

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Re: what a mess ... [Re: NitroX]
      #386124 - 31/07/24 08:23 PM

What a cluster!

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Re: what a mess ... [Re: NitroX]
      #386125 - 31/07/24 08:24 PM

The hunting areas in Africa have become playgrounds for immature people. I don't like what happened to the hunting in Africa. Anyone who wants to try out any toy by hunting game can do it. All of this no longer has anything to do with hunting in Africa which some people still dream of, but has become a mass process to supply customers and to earn money. I am increasingly distancing myself from current hunting in Africa and especially from the today's clients. The current situation is extremely disappointing.

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Re: what a mess ... [Re: grandveneur]
      #386126 - 31/07/24 10:39 PM

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The hunting areas in Africa have become playgrounds for immature people. I don't like what happened to the hunting in Africa. Anyone who wants to try out any toy by hunting game can do it. All of this no longer has anything to do with hunting in Africa which some people still dream of, but has become a mass process to supply customers and to earn money. I am increasingly distancing myself from current hunting in Africa and especially from the today's clients. The current situation is extremely disappointing.




Ahh, but see...at the pub that fellow can get his money's worth as that one buffalo turns into three.

One "I hunted with a revolver".
One "I hunted with a bow."
One "I hunted with a double rifle."

And all three charged!


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Re: what a mess ... [Re: 9.3x57]
      #386128 - 01/08/24 01:18 AM

the insane asylum has an exit today? never such such idiots, its unbelievable.

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Re: what a mess ... [Re: lancaster]
      #386129 - 01/08/24 01:51 AM

It's idiots like this that give ethical hunters a bad name. After the video, I was sad to see that the buff didn't triumph.

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      #386131 - 01/08/24 02:57 AM

You only need to read along on the other major international forum about hunting in Africa to see what is the concept of many people as far this hunting is concerned. It's mostly about playing with different toys or/and hanging heads on the wall. Nobody cares about hunting ethics, let alone has consideration for the game as a living creature that can suffer.

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      #386132 - 01/08/24 03:06 AM

its hard for me to imagine how such cretins made the money to pay for a buffalo hunt what is an expensive pleasure today. you would expect finding such man somewhere drinking cheap alcohol all the day long.

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Re: what a mess ... [Re: lancaster]
      #386135 - 01/08/24 06:10 AM

How did that clown get a PH licence?

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Re: what a mess ... [Re: grandveneur]
      #386136 - 01/08/24 08:31 AM

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You only need to read along on the other major international forum about hunting in Africa to see what is the concept of many people as far this hunting is concerned. It's mostly about playing with different toys or/and hanging heads on the wall. Nobody cares about hunting ethics, let alone has consideration for the game as a living creature that can suffer.




Well said!

Unfortunately, these types of "hunts" for those who wish to indulge in this type of "hunting" has become the norm. Not just in Africa, but everywhere.

For example, here in the USA, many states have been inundated by feral pigs. They are so many of them and they are so incredibly destructive, they cause millions of dollars of crop and property destruction every year. They are considered vermin in most states and because they do not have game animal status, there are few if any restrictions on how they can be hunted or exterminated. In many states, hunting for feral hogs is allowed year round by any method the hunter or landowner chooses. So people use traps, snares, poison, guns of every type and caliber, bows and arrows, spears, knives, dogs.... They can be hunted day or night, chased down and shot from moving vehicles, helicopters or boats. Some companies even provide "hunts" with fully-auto, belt-fed machine guns equipped with night vision scopes. Hell, I've even seen videos of people using Tannerite (a legal, binary explosive used for exploding targets) to destroy (or merely maim) entire herds of pigs with a single blast!

Now, being a land owner, I do understand the need to eradicate feral hogs or at least to try to keep their numbers (and their destruction) in check. However, I prefer that it is done in an efficient and humane manner where all animals harvested are accounted for. Call me old-fashioned, but I was brought up to respect the animal you are hunting; to work for it, to earn it, and to foster the skills needed to hunt it the way it deserves to be hunted, and then to harvest it cleanly when the time came. Whatever your weapon of choice, you owe it to that animal.

This type of "chest thumping", ego-stroking behavior makes us all look bad and is not what hunting is all about. Quite simply, it should never be called "hunting", because there is rarely any real hunting involved.




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Re: what a mess ...cape buffalo charge [Re: FlatTop45]
      #386142 - 01/08/24 02:53 PM

I wonder if the buffalo was already wounded? It appears they are following it up. And I doubt annunwounded cape buffalo would charge like that. it can happen of course, but I think this buff was arrowed or handgun shot.

The PH drops it with the double. Perhaps the client shot with the handgun.

Then the client peppers it with useless handgun shots and it gets up and charges again. When the buffalo falls over, perhaps the PH shot it again? Note where the client is .... On the other side of the buffalo. They may well have been shooting with the buffalo in between them.

Then the clients handgun is empty and he is out of bullets. So the PHBliahsbhim his double for two finishing shots,

If I was the client and the PHBineiuldnt be sharing around this video. The South African Oh probably thinks it is a viral video that will get him big bookings ....

Btw the PH, a cool clear eyed steely PH ..., eh? What a shrieker .... I hate PHBwho panic shrieking and screaming. I've felt like punching one guy who shrieked and nagged in a loud whine, while I was steely self controlled taking a good careful shot ....

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Re: what a mess ...cape buffalo charge [Re: NitroX]
      #386143 - 01/08/24 03:16 PM

A problem with modern client / PH scenarios is many clients may have only shot whitetails from high seats before.

Another problem is the video camera ... They capture the reality on a video ...

One famous much praised client was a compkete tyro. Robert Ruark, who wrote he'd never shot a rifle before, only shotguns at birds, before arriving on safari in Kenya. New rifles he'd never shot before ... Perhaps like many a DG hunter today with their new double or big bore rifle ... Often sold again after the hunt. .... I wonder how Ruark really went, no videos, the writer writes the "story" ...

I agree with GV. The "head on the wall" is often the main objective, along with the bragging rights. The tape measure is probably more important than the rifle, handgun, or bow,

Btw I think if one wants a stunt hunt, using a bow, spear, handgun, inadequate rifle, one should not be backed by a big bore rifle. Do it with your weapon and suffer the consequences ... Client deaths aren't good for business so this is rarely the case today. Actually sometimes a death from DG actually sells hunts !

The colonial farmer using a .303 or a 8x60 shooting buffalo for meat, or protecting his cattle from lions had no backup. The old ivory hunter using 4-bore muzzle liaders, maybe two of them, only had the second 4-bore carried hopefully by a hravevgun bearer black,

I remember one story which excited me a lot. Our intrepid hunter, I think in Malaya, hunted seladang/gaur with a 10-bore double. Maybe 12-bore. All from memory. Maybe a second rifle, carried by a gunbearer. The story is of a wounded bull, which then charges and throws the man again and again. Sometimes catching him before he hits the ground. The gun bearer, trackers watched from up in the trees, I believe the hunter was found and the trackers provided the story. The sort of thing that can happen when one hunts alone. Makes an inadequate shot. Follows up. Sh*t happens. In theory a 10-bore double rifle should be adequate. One wonders what sort of bullet or ball was used. Perhaps too soft. The FMJ was favoured in the nitro era because the SPs were often unreliable.

Real hunters hunted by themselves, Unfortunately today legally or practically this often is impossible, Laws require a "PH", Called in reality economic value adding to the economic activity, than often the real skills provided. The camps etc provided are a plus. And where like in Australia a PH is not required, the hunting areas are all locked up by outfitters,

But everyone needs experience. Everyone needs to start somewhere. Often one hunt is the lifetime experience.

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Edited by NitroX (01/08/24 05:12 PM)


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Re: what a mess ... [Re: NitroX]
      #386144 - 01/08/24 03:57 PM

Well said !

By the way, I would also like to hunt in Africa without the company of a PH. The local guides and trackers are very important. In all cases, they see everything first anyway, be it the game or if there is any threat of danger. I had the opportunity to hunt buffaloes in Burkina Faso this way for over 15 years. Unfortunately something like this is not possible in southern Africa, but in the majority of cases, due to their equipment, you could not let the majority of today's hunters go into the bush without a PH for backup.


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Re: what a mess ... [Re: grandveneur]
      #386145 - 01/08/24 05:14 PM

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Well said !

By the way, I would also like to hunt in Africa without the company of a PH. The local guides and trackers are very important. In all cases, they see everything first anyway, be it the game or if there is any threat of danger. I had the opportunity to hunt buffaloes in Burkina Faso this way for over 15 years. Unfortunately something like this is not possible in southern Africa, but in the majority of cases, due to their equipment, you could not let the majority of today's hunters go into the bush without a PH for backup.




Why not? A good way of culling the f..wit idiots out of the the hunter gene pool.


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      #386146 - 01/08/24 05:27 PM

Some PHs add a lot.
- local language skills, talking to the trackers who might not have English.
- trophy quality estimation. Many time the beast is brand new to us.
- local country knowledge. Waterholes, game rich areas, remote areas the bakkues can't get to.
- the camp outfit provided, tents, gear, vehicles, the works.
- of course hunting skills. But some clients have equal and even superior hunting skills,
- hunting tricks. Some innovative tricks. One can learn.
- skinning and caping skills sonetimes. Often or usually done by expert blacks anyway.

The often ignorant arrogance displayed I can do without.

I had a local acquaintance who he and his friends used to book a self guided Zimbabwe concession. Buying a period of time and animal quota at auction. The "citizen hunting concessions". A local farmer would provide the whole camp setup, A truck, LandCruiser, tents, cooking facilities, camp staff. And also participate, Excellent, I wish I could have participated. I think the quota might even gave included lion, leopard, buffalo as well as plains game. The auctions were messed up by crooked South African outfitters bidding them out. No citizens got a look in.

Yes trackers are essential. When they're good, they very good,

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Edited by NitroX (01/08/24 11:14 PM)


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Re: what a mess ...cape buffalo charge [Re: NitroX]
      #386147 - 01/08/24 10:03 PM

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I wonder if the buffalo was already wounded? It appears they are following it up. And I doubt annunwounded cape buffalo would charge like that. it can happen of course, but I think this buff was arrowed or handgun shot.




Yes. Agree. I took that as a given. Client holding a wheelgun, assumed he'd already shot the thing. Or maybe he arrowed it and then handed his bow back for the revolver?

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I remember one story which excited me a lot. Our intrepid hunter,




Some of my favorite stories I found in Man/Magnum magazine in RSA when we lived there late '80's. Back in the 50's/60's guys would load up a truck & head north. Buy their licenses, go hunting. Usually no great deal of drama, but just good solid accounts of what it was and isn't anymore. Also appear in Nyala magazine, journal of the KwaZulu Natal Hunters Association.

Seems like the easier it is to get there, the more novelty gets opted for once there...

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