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W.D.M. Bell
      #228133 - 05/04/13 07:52 PM

Hi Gentlemen,

I want to pull knowledge from your collective brains, as I know there are many fellows here very well versed in both practical African lore, and also many who have read far longer and wider than I have, regarding Africa.

In regards to Mr. Bell, in my internet wanderings I keep coming across negative references to him, often in threads where his marksmanship, or number of kills, are spoken of. The gist of it is: he didn't care about a clean kill, was a lawless poacher, scattered wounded elephants all over the place, etc.

In the reading I have done, I've never run into anything factual that supports this. In fact, to hear the man's words from his own pen and his own mouth, you can tell he desired a clean kill above most things. It only makes economic sense, too. No one out in the wilderness for months, perhaps years, wastes valuable ammunition if they can help it. Umm, the Lado Enclave WAS pretty much lawless, and without law, and bag-limits, and quotas, how can you be considered a poacher?

Now, my questions are these:

I suspect that much of this ill-will is internet "experts" sour grapes, and that oft-seen desire to drag down the other man, to make oneself seem greater. I also think a lot of the ill-will is impressing modern values onto a time where they didn't exist. I suspect people see "1000+ elephants" and recoil, with a resulting backlash.

Does anyone know the source of these mumblings? Any actual facts? A well-known African writer calling Bell down? A modern, prolific gun-writer with Bell-envy?

I've been curious about this for a while.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228151 - 06/04/13 05:35 AM

Jealousy imo. From his writings he seems kosher.

I remember reading a capstick book where he was rather scorning of Jim Corbett,that really pissed me off.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: gryphon]
      #228153 - 06/04/13 07:02 AM

Yeah... Brain shots on elephant with a .275Rigby...clearly a poor marksman.

Does smack of sour grapes although the application of today's "sensibilities" could also be a factor.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Huvius]
      #228156 - 06/04/13 07:14 AM

"I remember reading a capstick book where he was rather scorning of Jim Corbett,that really pissed me off."

Capstick takes a lot of liberties, in search of a better story, I think. Comparing his later stuff with his earlier, he seems very jaded. Hadn't read that one :/ In a lot of ways, that's even worse. The man is revered in India, and for good reason.

I hate this need to drag others down. People never seem to realize, that lifting others up is a much better way to live. That way you're both the greater.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: gryphon]
      #228157 - 06/04/13 07:23 AM

Bell was not the only one who shot over one thousand elephant and countless numbers of other game, most of those early professional hunters clocked up similar numbers even up until the middle of the last century men with such as J A Hunter also having scored over 1000 elephant and huge numbers of other game.

Bell has been scorned at times because he made most use of small bore rifles to effect his tally and that is just not on old chap!! I don't know that Bell was recoil shy as many say that he was, it was just that he found that he had the calmness and ability to shoot accurately with the small bores 303, 6.5, 7mm, and 318 to get his animals. Like all those early pioneering hunters, Bell did wound and lose a few animals until he found the killing spots. Remember in those days there were no illustrated books, videos, DVD's or accompanying PH's to teach them how to do it, they were the pioneering hunters. When reading about many of these hunters of old, most started their careers as young boys sent out from the British Isles to get them out of their families hair.

Of course now many seem to have developed a habit of scorning anything that happened before their lifetime and in the case of African hunting, the game is now build like Sherman or Tiger tanks and needs the biggest and flashest firearms and equipment to hunt. The bullets of old are useless and nothing short of a 375H&H with flat nose homogenous bullets can be used on dik diks and once we get into the realm of the elephant then it seems we need laser guided missiles to effect a kill on them. It is compulsory for the hunter of today to plaster himself with every chemical known to man to prevent all the dreaded diseases and make sure he is dressed in the latest logoed hunting clothes he can find, not forgetting the baby wipes to clean up the animal and a clean shirt to put on for the photo session. Probably needs some lights and boards to get the photo shoot just right too.

Just about forgot, the modern hunter needs a reasonable sized entourage of wives and friends, the mistress is probably acceptable too, so he can receive as many hugs and pats on the back as possible after he has gut shot and chased his animal all over the countryside, given up, and then let the PH finish the job.

It is just so easy to sit back and pour scorn on these hunters of old whose lives and feats we will never emulate and of course are no longer here to defend themselves.

That's my thought for the day.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228160 - 06/04/13 07:32 AM

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Capstick takes a lot of liberties, in search of a better story, I think.





Agree and have read that before.


Re Bell and Small bores, makes me remember culling Buff here in Aus, me with 375H&H, mate with I think 338WM. Anyway, had 21 or so down on the ground in a straight line but a two cows and a calf which were at the front (and too far to shoot) got away. Mate toddles off, finds them, 3 shots. Went back later, 3 head shots with a 6.5mm.

After so many years, thousands of buffalo and knowing the "sweet spots", it can be done.

So Bell might have made the odd mistake at first - who doesn't but I think he got it right in the end !!!


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: 500Nitro]
      #228161 - 06/04/13 08:40 AM

Name me a hunter who shoots in even a tiny fraction of those quantities, and doesn't make a mistake at times. Its inevitable.

You can tell in reading Bell's books that he regretted every one, and tried to learn from them. You can't ask for more than that.

"It is just so easy to sit back and pour scorn on these hunters of old whose lives and feats we will never emulate and of course are no longer here to defend themselves."

Good post, and I absolutely agree.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228174 - 06/04/13 03:20 PM

I remember reading that Bell used a crosscut saw to cut up elephants heads, so he could learn their anatomy. This enabled him learn where to aim and from what angle so he could hit the brain. I don't know how many others went to that lenght.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Rule303]
      #228206 - 07/04/13 04:08 AM

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I remember reading that Bell used a crosscut saw to cut up elephants heads, so he could learn their anatomy. This enabled him learn where to aim and from what angle so he could hit the brain. I don't know how many others went to that lenght.




I've read the same thing..when considering accuracy of Bell vs Capstick..my money is on Bell...while Captstick has many adventures he wrote about..there are some in Africa that state just that..they were adventures..just not his...

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Ripp]
      #228212 - 07/04/13 07:45 AM

I think you can tell just by reading the respective gentlemen. Mr. Bell was very matter-of-fact, and spare in his writing, letting the description of his hunts, and his actions, speak for themselves.

Mr. Capstick is a masterful raconteur, a very entertaining writer, but a huge percentage of his writing is of others experiences. Naturally, the accuracy would suffer. To what extent, I've no idea.

Not to take away anything from Capstick AS a writer. He's very good, and immensely enjoyable.

Also, and this is just personal thoughts as a fellow who has done a fair bit of writing: In order to hone your craft as a writer, you have to write a LOT. In order to be a great writer, you have to almost be compulsive about it. I think its very rare, that one finds a "Man of his hands" that IS a great writer, one that has great popular appeal.

A great hunter, is spending all his time HUNTING, not writing. A great writer is spending all his time writing, and not hunting.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228240 - 07/04/13 04:21 PM

In Bell's books, he pictures himself more as an explorer type, the "first white man into the Karamojo" for example.

In other books he is mentioned as one of the poachers of the Lado. The Lado was a lawless area with control vacated by the control of the Belgian sovereign before control was re-asserted by Belgian and other gov'ts. The elephant hunters there made good use of the loss of temporary control.

But many of these hunters also did hunt the Lado after legal control was asserted. One book mentions how they would cross the river from Uganda, into Belgian territory, hunt and flee back across the river when Belgian authorities chased them.

If I remember rightly when Roosevelt passed through that area, Bell was reported to be "across the river" at the time. Though it may have been someone else.

A person writes his memoirs in a favourable light. Some write in more honest manner, others not. Who knows sometimes which it is with which writer? We know which one Crapstick was .... though his fiction is enjoyable. A lot of the "non-fictional" African stories of Karen Blixen/Isak Dineson for example were also fictional stories.

Bell is one of my historical heroes and one of the greatest "Gentlemen Adventurors" of all time for me.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: NitroX]
      #228247 - 07/04/13 08:14 PM

"Bell is one of my historical heroes and one of the greatest "Gentlemen Adventurors" of all time for me"

I have to agree, John, and same here. Its the reason I started this thread...not that it makes a difference really in the grand scheme of things. More for my own interest.

I just keep running into people calling him down, and wondered if there was any basis for the negativity, in reading I haven't done. I know there are some well-read people here.

I suppose technically, its all poaching. Some of it seems a little more "moral" than others, if that makes sense, but I guess it just depends on what side of the river you're on, or who claims they own the deer in the King's forest. They lacked the information we have today, obviously.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228251 - 07/04/13 09:29 PM

I've never tried to draw a chronological line on his books and adventures, read them for pleasure, but I feel the adventures in the Karamoja were before the Lado Enclave times. I need to place where the Karamoja is in Uganda or Southern Sudan but the Lado Enclave was definitely what is now the Congo, Sudan and Uganda corner of those countries.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: NitroX]
      #228294 - 08/04/13 08:11 AM





Thar ye be!

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228295 - 08/04/13 08:25 AM

Credit where credit is due...I found the map a while back in this article, which I found very interesting:

http://www.karamoja.com/journey_into_karamoja.html


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228305 - 08/04/13 10:30 AM

That is awesome to look at as well as very interesting....

Must have been amazing to see that country back in that time...

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Ripp]
      #228349 - 09/04/13 01:06 AM

Interesting.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: NitroX]
      #228354 - 09/04/13 02:12 AM

Yes it is interesting , but Karamoja is not very safe . I was there 1994 in the aera of Moroto . Each Karimojong was armed with a AK-47 , no authority , and a permanent conflict with gunfight's between this people and theirs neighbors the Pokoots concerning cattle stealing ! I think nothing has changed .

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: grandveneur]
      #228356 - 09/04/13 02:30 AM

I forget , a hunting aera for the society of gentlemens adventurers ! Adventure and a taste of colonial war are garanteed .

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      #228364 - 09/04/13 06:18 AM

I certainly get the impression its still the Wild Frontier there. The topography looks awfully nice, but dryyyy. We Wetland boys might shrivel up into a husk...

Look on the bright side, Grandveneur...I suspect people aren't in favor of gun control


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      #228371 - 09/04/13 07:40 AM

Bush and open savanna , very dry and different compared to the south-west side of Uganda with high mountains , riparian forest and lakes .

I don't saw elefants ! A lot of buffalos and antelopes but no elefants . All killed by Karamoja Bell i suppose !

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: grandveneur]
      #228383 - 09/04/13 10:25 AM

I don't think elephants and AK-47s get along too well

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228658 - 13/04/13 12:24 PM

No AK47s on open display in Karamoja anymore, except from uniformed men. Those that have not been confiscated or surrendered are carefully hidden and taken out only for the occasional cattle raid.

The region is magnificent, scarcely populated, and still quite wild. Elephants are doing well, especially in the North. Buffalo is aplenty, plains game is slowly picking up now that it is not continually shot at.

As for dryness... The dry season this year lasted from mid-January to early April only, and heavy rains ("heavy" is a solid understatement in this regard - this much did not change from Bell's days) are an almost daily occurrence. Just a few years ago you could count on 5-6 months of dry weather, not anymore apparently.

Now, Mr. Bell himself... Well, as someone else pointed out, you just need to read the gentleman's books to have a glimpse of his character. Straightforward, no-nonsense, no bulldung. Contrary to his armchair detractors who for the most part would be incapable to take a taxi in Kampala by themselves, Mr. Bell had balls in cast iron.

He roamed a region where the main pastime of the locals was to poke spears through their neighbour's ribcage, and law was totally unexisting. All by himself among the locals, organising his own safaris. Anybody even remotely acquainted with African logistics can appreciate what it means to organise some 400-odd natives, and keep them in line for months on, completely out of any supply line, with threats from two- and four-legged predators.

And poaching... Poaching what from who? Who gave any right to the King of Belgium or old George or Victoria over the land and elephants and whatever else belonging to the Karimojong, Dinka, Acholi, Allur, Pokot, Toposa, Baganda, Aliab, or whoever else? Poaching? When the local chiefs and elders and kings were in full accord with the hunter, and everybody around benefited from meat, salaries, rewards, trade? Poaching what? Bell shot 1000 bull elephants in his career, only 5 years of which were in Karamoja. That's at most 150 bulls per year in an area of 20 to 30,000 square miles, where herds were plentiful. In the fifties and sixties, 20,000 elephants were culled in Northern Uganda to make space for agriculture...

Just for a note, the Karimojongs still remember Bell, and some people bear his name even to this day. Talk to the elders, and you'll notice that they have much more respect for him than for most any white man who came ever since. Now, let any self-righteous all-knowing specialist come here, and try to earn the respect of the Karimojongs... That will be funny to watch.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Kano]
      #228666 - 13/04/13 02:34 PM

Bell is certainly an icon and we wouldn't want our icons attacked.

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      #228668 - 13/04/13 04:10 PM

Kano, thank you for that post, it's very much appreciated. I think it says a lot when the people Bell hunted among still respect him after all this time.

I don't know if its so much attacking an icon, Tophet1...that always happens anyway. It just irks me when ability and character are denigrated on little-to-no solid evidence, so I wanted to find out the real story, from people with African experience. I was thinking there were stories circulating I was unaware of, or something.

I was rereading Pondoro lately, and he certainly had a high opinion of Bell. He also would be qualified to judge, I should think!


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Kano]
      #228673 - 13/04/13 08:22 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but I was under the beliefe that Bell shot around 2000 Elephants in his time, over 1100 with the 275 Rigby (7X57) the others with 6.5X54, 303British, 416 Rigby-small number as he preferd a lighter rifle, 318WR.

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      #228681 - 13/04/13 10:57 PM

I believe it was just over a thousand. 1011 rings a Bell ( ). He kept pretty meticulous records, I think. Who knows, really, though?

There are certainly quite a few others with those kind of numbers, especially the guys involved in the big culls, and the guys like Taylor, with a long, long career. Bell's career was fairly short, and seemingly lucrative.

I don't imagine there are too many guys out there that did that kind of killing with such small bores though.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228691 - 14/04/13 02:22 AM

Bell's preferred calibre was the 6.5x54MS. He stoped using it when he ran out of reliable ammo and had to switch to the 7x57. This is in his book.

The adoration of the 7x57 is due to his chance use of it and supply difficulties of 6.5x54. Not through choice. He started off with .303's as he had no money.

It is a lot cheaper to buy and carry more ex-mil ammo than find and buy large bore ammo. Bell was not recoil shy. This also is in his writings. I believe this supply issue may be the reason for small calibre rifles being used.

He had many and varied travels and employments during his life. Including gold prospecting and supplying gold diggers in Alaska (?) ref needed.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: tophet1]
      #228694 - 14/04/13 03:30 AM

Early in his elephant hunting, he had a 450/400 double. Always the experimenter, he rigged the triggers so that it would double with every shot, and he compared results with his .275.

His conclusion was that 800 grains in the wrong place don't kill them, and 170 grains in the right place kills them. So he'd rather carry a lighter rifle, and make darn sure that his bullets went to the right place.

He'd be mightily amused to see that 110 years on the debate still rages, and that hunters jump at each other's throat over "bigger is better" vs "shoot straight and you don't need bigger"...


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Kano]
      #228705 - 14/04/13 08:48 AM

I also remember that Bell said a soft point never fouled the bore of his rifle presumable the 275.

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      #228712 - 14/04/13 11:11 AM

"The food ran out. The boys had eaten all the elephant meat they had bought with them. My food was finished, but the cartridges were not, thank goodness. I remember ordering a cartridge belt from Rigby to hold fifty rounds. He asked me what on earth I wanted with so many on it. I said I like them and there was a time when it paid to have them."
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I found this an interesting read, for those who haven't seen it before:


http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/pdf/2010-12/201012210395-1954bellreduced.pdf


Link and quote from Suburbanbushwacker, with my thanks. It seemed on topic.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Rule303]
      #228713 - 14/04/13 11:28 AM

I remember when I was a kid growing up in Montana the State Fish & Game commission did a survey among hunters pertaining to the Elk kills and how many shots it took a certain hunter to kill his Elk and the caliber of his rifle .It included hits misses and followup shots.The far worst were the magnums ;338 and 7 Rem Mag being the worst(between 8 and 9 shots per Elk). The 30-06 did very well but the winner by a large margin (just a bit over 1 shot per Elk was the 300 Savage.This survey showed me #1 the 300 Savage kills Elk very well (my Dad used this caliber and never needed more than 1 shot; #2 Big magnum rifles used by most folks (whether they admit it or not) cant shoot them very well.#3 Large flat shooting cartridges make hunters take longer shots at game than they ordinarily would resulting in misses and wounding of an animal. As long as the bullet is of reliable construction ,moderate calibers kill large animals quite well .Bell proved this theory to a fault.Of course Bell knew how to shoot and knew his quarries anatomy perfectly.And Bell was not the only great Hunter to use the 7x57 ,J A Hunter of Afrikan fame used one and Jim Corbett killed many of his man eaters with his 275 Rigby (quite similar to Bells)Finn Aagaard also preached this . Remember the cattle killing lions and leopards and the Cape Buffalo his friend killed with his BRNO Hornet in Kenya.I use exactly this rifle (ZKW BRNO Hornet) to hunt deer on my friends large ranch.I have killed many many large bucks with this little cartridge and have never lost one.I have never taken a shot over 90 yards and make sure of the ones I do take .Not all are head shots either.My point is learn to hunt . Don't make the mistake of substituting equipment for skill. Make sure of your shots .Use a rifle you know you can handle and practice .Do not take long shots as so many variables make wounding and losing an animal more likely.I do not own a magnum and never will.The 9.3x62 is an accepted minimum caliber for most countries in Afrika so no excuse there for dangerous game.In countries like Namibia the 7x57 meets the joules limit perfectly .What was good for Bell has always served me quite well.

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      #228765 - 15/04/13 11:20 AM

Good post. Dad always said "Get close, shoot straight". It certainly works.

I think too, many people have an "all or nothing" mentality. Everyone's opinions are colored by their experience. In Bell's case, he was trying to hunt and kill elephant as efficiently as possible, and had control of the situation, due to his skill-set.

If I were a PH, dealing with hunters who are often completely unknown quantities in their shooting abilities, courage, and bush-craft, I would definitely want more horsepower and a BIG stopping rifle, in Africa. Who knows what kind of a cock-up you'll be dealing with, from minute to minute.

Bell's skill was rare, as was Corbett's, and they both obviously had an analytical bent. They both also had that rare human gift: patience. In my admittedly limited experience, that is a huge advantage. It lets you get the setup you want, not hurry the shot, so you only rarely need anything extra in the way of help.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228776 - 15/04/13 02:10 PM

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Everyone's opinions are colored by their experience. In Bell's case, he was trying to hunt and kill elephant as efficiently as possible, and had control of the situation, due to his skill-set.

If I were a PH, dealing with hunters who are often completely unknown quantities in their shooting abilities, courage, and bush-craft, I would definitely want more horsepower and a BIG stopping rifle, in Africa. Who knows what kind of a cock-up you'll be dealing with, from minute to minute.




Absolutely right. That's the main reason why PHs usually carry a "stopping caliber". As for the hunter, he's much better served with a rifle he knows and masters thoroughly, whatever the caliber may be. All the PHs I know are much more concerned with the client's knowledge of animal's anatomy and capacity to place a killing shot with a proper bullet, than the caliber of their rifle.

An old Rhodesian hand, now retired, told me once "One of my worst nightmares was to see a client arriving with a brand new .460 Weatherby or double .500..."


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Kano]
      #228779 - 15/04/13 03:12 PM

A friend of mine went out hunting with a little Sicilian fellow we both worked with. He told me afterwards this fellow missed a bull moose at about a hundred feet because he flinched so badly his eyes closed. The little hunter shot a Weatherby magnum, one of the smaller ones. I can imagine the .460 is a tad nastier. Especially for squat guys with no necks

In regards to Karamoja, Kano, how do you find the Karamojong people to work among, and live with? How is Uganda in general, nowadays, for the visitor?

Lets predicate a reasonable visitor, who isn't uptight, and understands parts of Africa are very different from home...


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228782 - 15/04/13 04:08 PM

I'm not a Bell fan and there are a number of reasons for this.

1) He wrote his books many years after the events happened, not contemporaneously.
2) He wrote about himself, which like a politician is always open to exaggeration or distortion.
3) He found that when he could afford .318 rifles the 'inexplicable misses' he had with smaller calibres stopped happening. This is in his books. Did he miss ? or were the shots ineffective ?
4) Most of the common lore we know of Bell is regurgitated through popular print media.

I'm sure he had an interesting life, but so did a lot of other contemporaries who did not write books or obtain popularity in modern mass print media.


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      #228790 - 15/04/13 08:10 PM

I'm glad to hear another opinion, Tophet. There are obviously a lot of people who aren't Bell fans out there.

He definitely found the .318 a better killer. He said so, in the article I linked above. Pinning the 7x57 "adoration" on Bell is stretching it a little though. I'm sure there were a few Rough-Riders who wished they had one, in Cuba, or Brits in the Boer War. Its a useful cartridge. Nothing supernatural, mind, but very useful, particularly back then.

As John pointed out, above, you are always going to cast yourself in the best light in your own memoirs. That said, in reading the only primary sources we have, his own books, and the occasional accounts by other hunters, he doesn't come across as a puffed-up writer. He is certainly no Richard Meinertzhagen, in that I haven't found a lot of dissenting views on his honesty.

Who knows though, really, without being there?

I wish those contemporaries had written books too! All the more fun to read.


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      #228791 - 15/04/13 08:42 PM

I cannot understand how anyone could think that W.D.M. Bell was not a most extraordinary man...Townsend Whelen certainly did as did many others.

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      #228792 - 15/04/13 09:14 PM

Even, uganda has a wonderful climate, not too hot nor too cold, and is really a beautiful country - right at the top of those I visited or lived in. People are generally welcoming, and Immigration and Customs at entry are a pleasure to deal with. Visa is obtained on arrival at the airport, $50 and two minutes.

Karamoja is a place all by itself. Its people, geography, geology, weather, landscapes, set it apart. One of the most stunning regions I've seen - and i've traveled a lot. As for the Karimojong... Well, have you read Bell's books? Here we are, his depiction of people and characters nail it. Even though he's giving very few details on locations, when you know the place you can understand where he was and which particular clans he was dealing with. To summarize things, in Karamoja the traditional argument solving tool is a spear or an AK, and if people don't like you, you're going to know about it... On the other hand, if they do like you it's a great place to operate, people are supportive and helpful.

Tophet, as far as I know, Stigand, Patterson, Stanley, Baker, Selous, Boyes, Sutherland, Puxley, Burton, Lyell, Horn, Taylor, Hunter, Lake, and countless others who roamed Africa before tour operators took care of one's trifles, all wrote after the fact... And if you knew what Bell is talking about, you'd realize that he was very matter-of-fact and unpretentious in his writings. As for his elephant hunting, he never claimed any particular glory, and kept very meticulous accounts of what he was shooting: dates, locations, weights, relevant details. He was a businessman, not a blast-away fame-seeker.

He fought two wars without being asked to, ended up as an officer, and if I'm not mistaken was awarded a Military Cross, which you don't usually get for bragging after hours at the Officer's mess.

Having seen my fare share of Africa in general and Karamoja in particular, I have come to learn the difference between a bullshitter and a straight-shooter (figuratively, in this case). My honest opinion is that Bell was a gentleman, and someone with whom I'd have gladly shared a drink around the fire.


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      #228795 - 15/04/13 11:08 PM

Thanks, Kano...Uganda just moved up several notches on my "must see" list.

In regards to the karamojong, I had a mental picture of them, and I'm glad to hear they are still like that. Its been my experience with a couple other fractious Tribal-type peoples, that its much like that: if they don't like you, you're in trouble, if they do...they can't do enough for you.

Haha, try dealing with the Haida sometime, if they don't like what you stand for. No AKs though.

Thank god.


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      #228796 - 15/04/13 11:29 PM


"and if I'm not mistaken was awarded a Military Cross, which you don't usually get for bragging after hours at the Officer's mess."

He was actually awarded a Military Cross and Bar.

He was a Pilot.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: 500Nitro]
      #228841 - 16/04/13 10:27 AM

Mr. Bell was indeed extraordinary. With Selous and Corbett as possibly the 3 greatest hunters of all time.

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      #228844 - 16/04/13 11:02 AM


What about Baker (as in Sir Samuel Baker).

Was earlier than the rest so in some ways forged
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      #228845 - 16/04/13 11:38 AM

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Haha, try dealing with the Haida sometime, if they don't like what you stand for. No AKs though.

Thank god.




Funny you mention the Haida,a girlfriend of mine when I was living in QLD was half Haida Indian,no AK either.

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      #228858 - 16/04/13 05:32 PM

Haida women are quite often very beautiful.

Crazy, but beautiful


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228863 - 16/04/13 07:53 PM

I remember one account of Bell written by whom I cant remember, told of his self taught shooting technique. Bell apparently taught himself to use a Bolt Action. Now instead of keeping the but in his shoulder he would pull the stock/rifle forward while working the bolt rearward and then bringing both back together. Worked for him and may explain the odd poor shoot placement.

Same account also told that when Bell was shown the 308 he thought that might be the perfect calibre for Africa. Maybe for him, not me, I am not that cool or good a shot.


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      #228865 - 16/04/13 09:09 PM

He said that he thought the 30-06 would be the perfect calibre for Africa, but he would choose the 308 because of the shorter action.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: bakposten]
      #228872 - 16/04/13 11:35 PM

Well, he had the skill to be able to use a light cartridge.

He liked to carry plenty of ammo on his person, and carry less weight.

He didn't like really loud rifles, as they spook game more.

He liked a short bolt throw, for faster follow-up shots.

He liked a light rifle, ergo the short action preference. That shaves a lot of carry weight.

Most of these things would lead you to the .308 over the 30-06, as he really didn't have a preference for the heavy bullets.

I'm curious what he would have made of the 6.5x55. Availability in Africa would likely have killed that idea though.


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      #228895 - 17/04/13 07:10 AM

I believe he finished his days on hunting the Scotish Red Deer with a 220 Swift, taking them with neck shots. Acording to his Jan 1950 artical.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228932 - 17/04/13 07:37 PM

Quote:

Well, he had the skill to be able to use a light cartridge.

He liked to carry plenty of ammo on his person, and carry less weight.

He didn't like really loud rifles, as they spook game more.

He liked a short bolt throw, for faster follow-up shots.

He liked a light rifle, ergo the short action preference. That shaves a lot of carry weight.

Most of these things would lead you to the .308 over the 30-06, as he really didn't have a preference for the heavy bullets.

I'm curious what he would have made of the 6.5x55. Availability in Africa would likely have killed that idea though.




Re the 6.5 Bell was some times dissapointed as more than a few of the bullets had the base trying to overtake the tip. That is they bent when hiting solid bone due to their long lenght. I dare say the modern bullets with a stiffer jacket would of been to his likeing.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Rule303]
      #228935 - 17/04/13 08:15 PM

The article (thanks for the link Even) indicates that Bell really liked the 308 and the use of homogenous solids over lead core bullets to reduce the tendency to bend on striking bone.

The article was from 1952. When did mono metal bullets appear?


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      #228947 - 17/04/13 11:52 PM



If I remember correctly, the French round 8mm Lebel had turned projectiles.


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      #228958 - 18/04/13 04:35 AM

"Balle D", adopted in 1898, was a solid bullet...so much for novelty.

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      #228968 - 18/04/13 07:11 AM

In an excellent article recently, by our Mr. Shoemaker, on rifles used in Alaska, he pointed out that in 1885 a military reconnaissance mission into the Copper River area found the natives using copper bullets in their muzzle loaders. They preferred the penetration and the way they broke through bone.

I think the practice has been around a while.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Even]
      #228986 - 18/04/13 02:26 PM

"An inspiring little rifle, requiring knowledge of anatomy and exact pointing"

Knowledge of anatomy does not mean "knowing what's the general area you ought to shoot into", it means having an exact and precise knowledge of how the animal is built, and where the various organs are positioned in relation to each other and in relation to the external features. It also requires good 3D mental imaging skills, the aptitude to "see" what's inside the animal at all angles.

How many hunters do actually meet such requirements, especially on African game?

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      #229003 - 19/04/13 03:31 AM

Quote:

"An inspiring little rifle, requiring knowledge of anatomy and exact pointing"

Knowledge of anatomy does not mean "knowing what's the general area you ought to shoot into", it means having an exact and precise knowledge of how the animal is built, and where the various organs are positioned in relation to each other and in relation to the external features. It also requires good 3D mental imaging skills, the aptitude to "see" what's inside the animal at all angles.

How many hunters do actually meet such requirements, especially on African game?




I hope all hunters ! That's the first condition for big game hunting !

http://www.amazon.de/Perfect-Shot-Placem...he+perfect+shot

This books are sold all over the galaxy !

Edited by grandveneur (19/04/13 03:38 AM)


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: grandveneur]
      #229010 - 19/04/13 05:09 AM

You would think so, wouldn't you? I'm betting some of our PH friends could tell some ugly stories though :/ Poor marksmanship and knowledge of killing anatomy seem to be the two biggest complaints.

I think the Perfect Shot books, and the Scandinavian "Moose Clock" are fantastic ideas. A lot of people just have no sense of spatial relativity.

I'm thinking that our Mr. Bell had that attribute in spades, considering the "Bell Shot".


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      #230208 - 19/05/13 06:07 PM

There were several reasons that Bell used small bores in favour of the more conventional big bores:

He carried his own rifle. Bell put on many miles a day in hot conditions and a heavier load would have prevented him with putting on those extra miles.

Many of the solids used in the big bores were not up to the job. The jackets split and pealed. Penetration was not a sure thing.

As he got into the herds he would shoot a large volume of ammunition taking large numbers of elephant.
This would not be possible with a big bore double.

He stated that the 7 mm Mauser, aka, the .275 Rigby, with DWM ammunition was the only cartridge that never failed to go bang, always penetrated, or never suffered from split necks ( poor annealing was apparently a big problem in those days). Every other calibre and brand had given him problems at one time or another.

He often has a gun bearer with him who carried along a big double for emergencies. I believe it was a .450 Nitro Express. He mentioned this in one of his books. They are all a great read.

There will only ever be one W.D.M. Bell. They broke the mould.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: albertan]
      #230215 - 19/05/13 07:54 PM

Nothing justified the use of a small bore cartridge to hunt big game especially elefants as well at this time !

What Bell has done is doubtful and not exemplary !

I don't understand the veneration of this men !


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: grandveneur]
      #230220 - 19/05/13 09:26 PM



If a bloke tries it once and survives, he's a lucky fool.

If a bloke does it successfully 1000+ times, he is extremely talented and has nuts the size of mangos.


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      #230222 - 19/05/13 11:16 PM

It's impossible that everything went well in 1000 cases !

How many wounded and missing elefants in the bush ?

Hunting and animals ethics was not a question at this time . The reason why i don't like this person !


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: grandveneur]
      #230223 - 19/05/13 11:40 PM


grand

"Hunting and animals ethics was not a question at this time . The reason why i don't like this person ! "

You can't apply modern ethics to that era.
A lot of things were different then, including and
especially the number of game taken in a day.

Just my HO.


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      #230225 - 19/05/13 11:59 PM

That's right , but not to be blinded by admiration ! There was others elefants hunter in that era who are certainly concerned with adequate cartridges and adequate hunting practice for this game .

Who writes books want oftens to assert oneself and sometimes to boast !


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      #230226 - 20/05/13 12:17 AM

Quote:

That's right , but not to be blinded by admiration ! There was others elefants hunter in that era who are certainly concerned with adequate cartridges and adequate hunting practice for this game .

Who writes books want oftens to assert oneself and sometimes to boast !




These guys may have used bigger cartridges, but did they have the anatomical knowledge that he did to place those shots. A small solid that is put in the correct spot is better than a large that is not.


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      #230228 - 20/05/13 12:24 AM


grand

I hunt with a mate, we were culling Buffalo one day
and had something like 21 down on the ground in a
minute or two, both with 375's

Now, a Cow and two calves, mid age which wwre out front
of the herd when we started shooting got to the other side.

My mate said "Be back shortly" and off he went.
Short while later, 3 shots.

After doing the business on the 21 Buffalo, off we went to the three. He had shot all 3 with one shot to the head
- with a small 6mm.

He has shot thousands of Buffalo (and other things) and as such know the anatomy very well indeed and is able to do these things, just as Bell was with the 7mm and Elephant.

And FYI, my mate has a standing policy of no head shooting of Buffalo by his friends, no ifs or buts about it - and having shot Buffalo for 10 years, I can see why with all the potential problems.

So I can't see why Bell who STUDIED what he did so well
is not allowed to use a 7mm.


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      #230233 - 20/05/13 01:19 AM

We don't want to argue about the use or not of smaller calibers for hunting big game ! I prefer the big bores . IMHO we are so on the safe side .


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: grandveneur]
      #230235 - 20/05/13 03:07 AM


Not just the safe side, but a damn sight more fun !!! LOL


Says me who likes big bores but have only stopped
charges with small / medium bores - 338WM !!!

As they say, you use what you have in your
hand at the time !!!


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      #230237 - 20/05/13 03:22 AM

That's right , the fun also play a important role by using big bores ! But it's necessary to have at the time in all situation the right thing in your hand !

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      #230238 - 20/05/13 03:25 AM


And don't forget the important part !

The ability to use it !!!


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      #230242 - 20/05/13 03:47 AM

We are in control of the situation !

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: grandveneur]
      #230247 - 20/05/13 04:37 AM

Grandveneur has some valid Points here......no doubt that a lot of game were wounded and lost in the early Days by small bore fanatics..

A friend of mine shot cape Buffalo in Tanzania in the the nineties with a .308....it is possible to do it, but it does not make the .308 a DG rifle..!


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: pondoro62]
      #230258 - 20/05/13 09:53 AM

I think the difference with Bell in regards to big bore/small bore, is that he studied, experimented, and tried the big bores, and ended up with what worked best for HIS particular situation. I don't consider reasoned choice fanaticism

I think for ninety-nine percent of us, his choice would be the wrong one, and it would be as Grandveneur says: "on the safe side". Blind adulation and imitation is foolish. If one had his skill-set, though, things might be different. There were no minimum calibers in those days.

In regards to Bell's losing a lot of game...I personally don't believe it happened. I'm sure he lost some, as anyone hunting in those quantities will, but you can go down two paths:

You assume he lied or omitted a bunch of losses

You assume he is telling the truth

I personally don't feel, from the reading, that he lied. He says when he loses game, as does Selous in his accounts. They SEEM truthful to me. He isn't puffing himself up, or telling wild tales...most of his writing is pretty straightforward.

However, I wasn't there, didn't know the man, so all I can go on is the printed word.

I HAVE read plenty of people ONLINE, saying things like "he walked into a herd, and just started shooting, didn't care about wounding, left them to die in agony, etc, etc."

Which is why I posed my original question, because I want a reliable source for this.


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      #230259 - 20/05/13 10:07 AM


"I HAVE read plenty of people ONLINE, saying things like "he walked into a herd, and just started shooting, didn't care about wounding, left them to die in agony, etc, etc."

That's what they say.

I can't remember 100% but am pretty sure he doesn't say that in his books.

I thought he took much more carefully aimed shots
and almost got trampled a few times.

I need to read the book again.


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      #230260 - 20/05/13 10:26 AM

Bell would often use a ladder in the middle of a herd and the soft report didn't scare them. It's in his books. No doubt the angles were different and like a man on horseback, a man on a ladder not a recogniseable threat.

Read the book.

I agree with you grandveneur. You don't get to read everything that happened.


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      #230279 - 20/05/13 09:18 PM

The truth probably lies in the middle.

Undoubtedly Bell had to learn the hard way about some things, but he did start out in the conventional fashion, with a 450/400.

On the other hand, when he went to smaller bores, he recognised that he needed to understand the anatomy of the elephant and studied it extensively.

With this knowledge and the regular practice he achieved with, amongst other things, shooting the meat animals for his labourers, he was able to develop his technique. As we often hear, the harder he worked, the luckier he got.

To suggest that he wantonly waltzed into he middle of a herd and put lead in the air until something fell over is just as foolish as suggesting that he never failed. (And grand, I know you didn't)

Bell was a man of his time. To judge him by today's standards is to misplace the context of his life, but we can still learn from him. I have certainly studied anatomy more closely after reading some of his work, but prefer to err on the "heavy" side, calibre wise. (See sig)


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      #230478 - 25/05/13 05:27 AM

I don't understand the references in this thread to the .308. The .308 Winchester was introduced in 1952. By that time, Bell had been back at his estate in Scotland for some time. He died in 1954. He may have tested the .308 cartridge for a sporting publication around the time of its introduction, but certainly he never used it in Africa. As far as I am aware, the last shooting he did was in the Scottish Highlands with the .220 Swift.

Over the course of his career, he used the .303 British, .275 Rigby (several of them), .22 Savage Hi-Power (also a Rigby), 6.5 Mannlicher,.318 WR, and a few large bores like the .450-400 and .416 Rigby - as already noted by other posters.

As to his legacy, it seems to me that it's quite intact. I don't see him as a reckless hunter who lost large amounts of game, but quite the opposite.


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      #230489 - 25/05/13 11:33 AM

WDM Bell

(Extracts From Big Game Records book circa 1931)



ACCORDING to Professor H. Fairfield Osborn,
man has been a hunter of mastodons and
elephants for the sake of their bones, ivory, and
flesh, for a million and a quarter years.

The question of the comparative danger of
various wild beasts has always been a highly
controversial subject, but, certain it is, that the
pursuit of elephants is one of the most dangerous
of sports, and most hunters of experience have
placed the elephant either first second or third,
on the list of dangerous game.

In the early days of South Africa, when these
animals were to be found in relatively open
country, it was possible to pursue them on horse-
back, but the constant persecution to which they
were subjected had the effect of driving them into
the " fly " infested country of the interior where
horses could no longer be used. With this princi-
pal exception the African elephant is hunted
on foot, and if consistently followed up this
represents the most exacting form of sport in the
world,

The restrictions now placed upon elephant
hunting seem to preclude the possibility of the
enormous bags that follow ever being equalled,
and elephant hunting as a remunerative pro-
fession is a thing of the past.

So far as I have been able to ascertain, the most
successful African elephant hunter of all time is
Mr. W. D. M. Bell, who has killed 983 bulls and
28 cows, making a total of 1,011 elephants.*

W. D. M. BELL

I am greatly indebted to Mr. Bell for the many
intimate details concerning his career which
follow.

Born in 1880, he formed the fixed intention of
becoming an elephant hunter at an early age.
He landed in Africa towards the end of the last
century, and success attended his earliest efforts.
Since that time he has spent sixteen and a half
years on the actual hunting grounds and has shot
in the following localities: Kenya, Karamojo,
Abyssinia, Sudan, Lado Enclave, French Ivory
Coast, Liberia, French Congo and Belgian
Congo. All these countries contributed their
quota of elephants to his enormous bag as the
accompanying list shows.

W.D.M.B. in Hit. 23rd March 1931.

18



AFRICAN ELEPHANTS

Locality. Bull Elephants.

Mombasa-Malindi Coast . . 14
Tana River . . . . 17
Masindi District . . .23
Mount Elgon . . . -42
Mani-Mani . . . . 91

Dodose 63

Dabossa ..... 149
Lado Enclave .... 266
French Ivory Coast . . .80

Liberia 27

French Congo .... 189
Belgian Congo . . . .22

983



With regard to these figures Mr. Bell says : " I
have not included cow elephants shot for meat or
in defence of myself or attendants. The number
so shot is 28, making the total 1,011 ".

The largest number of bull elephants he ever
shot in one day was 19. Other days yielded 17,
16, 15. on three occasions, 14 and 12 on three
occasions. His best month produced 44, all kilted
in three consecutive days, and in his worst month
he did not even see one.

His most disappointing day he describes thus :
"54 bull elephants (mostly huge) found and
counted, all travelling steadily along. Got
directly into path and waited until leaders bore
ten and fifteen paces to front on either hand and
then succeeded in dropping only 5 out of that
magnificent millionaire herd. They split up in
all directions and at Hell's own gait. Alas!
what should I have done ? " His most pleasantly
memorable experience "When my partner said :
' Well, Bell, I'm damned ', after watching me
from a tree-top run down and kill 6 large bulls
out of 6 in long grass, at mid-day, in as many
minutes ".

His heaviest yield of ivory as the result of one
day's shooting amounted to 1,643 Ibs. of soft ivory
from ii head containing 21 tusks, one being a
single tusker. The average weight was over
77 Ibs. and the value 863.

The following detailed results which he has
kindly given me are, I think, of exceptional
interest.

Yield from five best Safaris
Weight of Ivory - Value

14,780 Ibs. . . .7,300

14,247 Ibs. . . . 7,082

12,814 Ibs. . . . 6,923

11,024 Ibs. . . . 4,792

10,670 Ibs. . . . 4,230

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AFRICAN ELEPHANTS

Best Year

Ivory sold . . . 7,300
Expenditure . . 3,100

Profit 4,200

Worst Year

Expenditure . . 3,400

Ivory sold . . . 1,563



Loss 1,837

These are wonderful figures, but the extra-
ordinarly severe nature of the work may be
judged from the fact that Mr. Bell informs me
that his average yearly consumption of boot
leather amounted to 24 pairs, and he estimates
that the total mileage covered on foot, including
going to and returning from hunting grounds,
amounts to 73 miles for every elephant killed.

His most unpleasant experience he describes as
" Travelling hot-foot 8 hours at 6 miles per hour
on enormous track in wet season to find a tuskless
bull ! Killed to prevent a recurrence ! " The
feet of his native assistants, carrying water bottle
and spare rifle, lasted on an average for four
months, at one month on and one month in the
base camp. Their soles he says were then right
down to the quick, in spite of sandals. One of
his men alone stuck it for ten months on end, but
then retired altogether. Since it may prove of
interest to know some of his rules of life when
engaged in this arduous work, I will quote the
following from the notes he has given me : " Best
method of keeping one's own feet in working
condition in spite of rubs and blisters, is to wash
socks every day and powder them thickly with
boracic. Best diet for hunting sour milk and
dried buck meat (biltong). Next best elephant
trunk, cut small and stewed, with native vege-
tables and flour. Worst diet for hunting the
ingredients in what is known as doing yourself
well ".

Mr. Bell has related many of his experiences in
his most excellent book, " The Wanderings of an
Elephant Hunter ", which was published in 1923.
There is nothing more remarkable in that book
than his account of a day in the Lado Enclave
in which he ran a herd of elephants to a walking
pace. This notable day started by his killing a
white rhino with a magnificent horn; by 8 a.m.
he was at the heels of the herd of elephants and
at sundown, or 6 p.m., he found himself passing
the carcase of the rhino he had killed in the
morning, having travelled all day in an enormous
circle. He had the herd well in hand by 2 p.m.
and at the finish they seemed quite incapable of
anything more than a walking pace. He bagged
15 bulls from the herd, but though he often
attempted to repeat the feat with other herds he
was never able to live with them except for a
short distance.

With regard to rifles, Mr. Bell tried many at
one time and another including a double
.450/400 and magazine rifles of various calibre.
He formed a very definite preference for maga-
zine weapons and for many years used the .275
and the .256 in every kind of country and against
every kind of game. His greatest successes were
achieved with the 7 mm. Rigby-Mauser or .276,
firing the old round-nosed solid bullet.

As a big game shot it is difficult to write re-
garding his skill. Most first-class men are reticent
on this subject, but those who have read Mr.
Bell's book, "The Wanderings of an Elephant
Hunter", will have quickly sensed the fact that
it was written by a man of exceptional ability
with the rifle. An exact knowledge of the
anatomy of game, a rule never to fire unless he
knew exactly where he was placing his bullet,
and a temperament that enabled him to retain a
perfect control over himself in every moment
of danger or excitement were important con-
tributory factors to his wonderful success. He
invariably carried his own rifle, and the natural
aptitude which he must undoubtedly have
possessed, together with the years of incessant
practice which his life as a hunter entailed, com-
bined in giving him an almost complete control
over his game, irrespective of the angle at which
it presented a shot. For actual examples indicat-
ing his skill I am able to give two instances, but
since these relate to experiences with buffaloes
and lions I must refer the reader to the respective
chapters devoted to these two animals. Outstand-
ing ability with the rifle would not alone account
for Mr. Bell's success; an iron constitution and a
physique capable of withstanding the constant
exposure and strain to which it was subjected, a
thorough knowledge of the game he followed, and
last, but by no means least, a complete under-
standing of, and ability to handle the natives,
were all vital factors in his truly wonderful career.

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F. C. Selous has said: "as regards viciousness
I should be inclined to put the buffalo third
on the list ", and W. D. M. Bell who has shot
them in East, West and Central Africa has
described them as " worthy game in thick stuff
but ludicrously easy things to kill in open
country ".

Mr. W. D. M. Bell, whose opinion of the buffalo
I have already quoted, has probably shot more of
these animals than any other man. In the course
of his career as a hunter he has killed between
600 and 700.

In connection with the above I will now quote
from information that Mr. Bell has kindly
supplied me with: *" In parts they (buffaloes)
were the regular ration for the camp. I remem-
ber killing 23 out of 23 with a high velocity .22
rifle partly to see how effective the tiny 80 grain
bullet was but chiefly because meat was required.
I must have killed between six and seven hundred
of these animals in all. Their hide was a con-
stant trade article. Cut into sandal and shield
sizes they never failed to attract an abundant
supply of flour 1 '.

Lest the novice or moderate shot should be en-
couraged by the above statement to attack the
dangerous game of Africa with a .22 rifle, I feel

it should be stated that Mr. Bell is probably one
of the most brilliant big-game shots that has ever
lived. The high velocity .22 rifle in the hands of
such an expert may well be an adequate weapon,
but it is usually regarded as in the extreme of
small bores for use against dangerous game.

As Mr. Bell was primarily an elephant hunter,
fuller details of his career are to be found in
Chapter I, but by way of comment on his bag of
buffaloes, it can again be said that he spent six-
teen and a half years on the actual hunting
grounds, and, as his reputation spread and
increased among the native tribes, his camp
following grew in proportion. The bag is cer-
tainly enormous, but it must be remembered that

the hungry mouths often numbered hundreds
and it was vital to him to obtain and maintain the
good-will of the natives in the many remote parts
where he penetrated.

Mr. W. D. M. Bell, whose career as an elephant
hunter I have dealt with in the first chapter, has
kindly supplied me with the following notes on
his experiences with rhinoceroses in Equatorial
Africa: " Regarding my bag of black rhino I
find that out of a total of 63 killed no less than
41 were shot when presenting some sort of
menace to either myself or to a line of porters or
to an encampment. Of the remainder only three
were killed for food, thus indicating the richness
of the other and better meat harvest, while the
remainder were chiefly killed for making sandals
or for rewarding natives with shield pieces. In
my time the horn was not worth taking unless of
unusual size.

" During my elephant hunts west of the Nile on
the banks of that river the white rhino was very
plentiful. The greatest number I ever saw in one
day was eleven but I saw some every day. They
were quite inoffensive, unlike the pugnacious
black, and hardly ever required shooting. Other
meat was plentiful and I killed three only ".

That great African hunter, Mr. W. D. ML Bell,
was mainly concerned with elephants, but in
some interesting notes that he has kindly
furnished me with, he says: "With regard to
lions I merely killed any that caused annoyance,
such as roaring round camp, stampeding porters,
and so forth. The total so killed is 25".*
Leopards he shot, when he came across them,
provided he was not close to elephants at the
time, or by waiting for them at water-holes, etc.
Mr. Bell shot 16 leopards during the course of his
hunting career.
I have already indicated in the
chapters devoted to African elephants and
African buffaloes that Mr. Bell is a rifle shot of
outstanding ability, it is therefore particularly
interesting to know his views on lion hunting,
I quote the following from his most excellent
book, 'The Wanderings of an Elephant Hunter" ,
in which he says : " The reason of the high
mortality among those who hunt lions casually is,
I think, the simple one of not holding straight
enough. Buck -fever or excitement, coupled with
anxiety lest the animal should slip away, is
probably the cause of much of the erratic shoot-
ing done at lions. This frequently results in flesh
wounds or stomach wounds, which very often
cause the lion to make a determined charge; and
there are a great many things easier to hit than
a charging lion. Great care should be taken to
plant the bullet right. The calibre does not
matter, I am convinced, provided the bullet is in
the right place. Speaking personally, I have
killed sixteen lions with .256 and .275 solid bullets,
and, as far as I can recollect, none of them
required a second shot ".

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: VonGruff]
      #230493 - 25/05/13 03:24 PM

VonGruff, thank you for this - excellent and comprehensive post. I'd like to one day visit Bell's Scottish estate, which is now a sort of bed and breakfast.

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      #230519 - 26/05/13 11:37 AM

VonGruff, thanks for posting, a good read.

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      #230549 - 27/05/13 08:11 AM

thanks for posting very nice!

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      #230550 - 27/05/13 09:54 AM

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Haida women are quite often very beautiful.

Crazy, but beautiful




Crazy? 2 glasses of wine she was OK,a third one tipped her over the edge,a fourth one had the knives out...all apologies next day though...there were many good points of course.

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      #230555 - 27/05/13 12:00 PM

Thanks for that post, VonGruff.

Your experience is...not a surprise to me, Gryphon


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      #230559 - 27/05/13 04:40 PM

Hundreds, and more probably thousands of elephants have been culled with .308 semi-autos.

The cullers are seasoned professionals who know exactly what they are doing, and believe me, they don't want wounded elephants running around.

Bell was not only a seasoned professional who knew exactly what he was doing, he was also an exceptional shot. It is absolutely pointless to criticize his method, when said method proved to be successful.

It is also absolutely pointless to try and compare Bell's method with what methods are advisable for occasional hunters. No matter how many books are read and re-read, no matter how many barrels of single malt are sipped around the fire or in font of a computer while debating the meaning of life and elephant hunting, today's visiting hunters in Africa are not in a position to gain the experience necessary to perform surgical shots under field stress conditions on elephant, buffalo, or other dangerous game - even if some of them would have the skills needed to learn how to do so.

Bell did what he did, and he did it well. Mr. John Doe-Smith on his first or fifth trip to Africa, in the overwhelming majority of cases, would be ill-advised to try and emulate him.

After all, if Mr. John Doe-Smith was a natural-born elephant hunter, he would most probably already be in the full-time elephant hunting business...


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      #230561 - 27/05/13 08:09 PM

Old Bell not only was a top shot but also had the ability to stand fast,many others couldnt/cant do the same.

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      #230594 - 28/05/13 09:15 AM

I have a piece on Bells later years on neck shooting and the smaller cals but it is PDF form that I cant copy to here but can email it to someone who can post if needed.It is the Jan 1950 American Rifleman.

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      #232116 - 04/07/13 07:34 PM



Poaching? I never understood where this idea came from. Bell was actually already in the Lado Enclave with a paid-for hunting permit from the Belgian authorities when the Belgian King died. He writes that the Belgians left immediately and there was a six month period before the land became the property of the Sudan. A whole horde of rascally adventurers descended on teh place and some of them behaved terribly towards the native people. (Out of interest, I dont think that border was formally settled with Sudan until the 1940's.)

Bell didn't use a ladder. He used to stand on the tripod of his telescope in order to see over the ten foot tall grasses so he could shoot properly. He made the observation that the elehants in that area were not much disturbed by a rifle shot. (to the brain, meaning a death with no fuss.) They would move off a way, but not stampede. Perhaps this page is what has been misconstrued by the poster above.

Bell did not willy nilly shoot elephants, just as any other market hunter does not. Throughout his books he makes it plain that for a businessman who is shooting for ivory the brain shot is the best because when an elephant drops with no fuss, it does not alarm the rest of the herd and the shooter may get more animals before the rest of them spook.
But remember he was not adverse to a body shot, and also examined the interior of an elephant the same way that he had had an elephant skull sawed in half. He noted not only the position of the heart but also of the large blood vessels above it which made as much of a target in themselves.

Someone else wrote somewhere that he used to jsut shoot elephant anywhere and then find them using the vultures a few days later....I am not sure where this could have come from and perhaps someone has mistaken Bell for someone else. The closest I can come to this is when Bell was off with a small crew of men and they didnt have the manpower to turn the elephants head over to get the bottom tusk out. (He wrote that if left for two days the tusk could be slid out due to decompesition.)

His favourite rifle and caliber were undoubtadly a 7x57 Mauser for much of his career. However, people change their minds over time. By the end of his African days we find him using a .318 WR regularly, both on a Mauser and also a double rifle. He also used a .303, a 6.5x54MS, .350 Rigby, .450/400, .416, and possibly others. Bell loved his firearms it was plain.
He shot 800 elephants with the 7mm and the rest with the other calibers; but by the last of his safaris it seems he had settled on a .318 Westley Richards. He was using by that stage a braind shot from the rear which worked well for his and the .318 WR bullets penetrated on a straighter line than the 7mm or the 6.5 bullets.

As for the big bore versus small bore thing...Bell wrote his own article about it which I can refer you to "Big Bore SMall Bore" for American Rifleman 1952 which explains what he thinks of Big Bore people who look down on his using a 7mm Mauser on Elephant.
Suffice to say he tried a .450/400 on his first safari but it didnt kill anything deader than his .303. He wasn't a fanatic though - when the .416 came out he bought two of them from Rigby in 1912 or 1913.

As for his prowess as a shooter, the anecdote about shooting the herons out of the sky with a .318 WR is related by himself; but another is related by JA Hunter (which Bell does not mention in his books) - he was observed shooting fish that were jumping from the surface of a lake with his .275.

He was plainly a superlative marksman. But then, let us remember that Bell continously in his books refers to shooting Elephants at close range, he mentions 35 yards as about optimum. Other times these ranges are easily inferred also, even when he does not mention a figure. Even from what he describes as his sighting in procedure we can see that he expects close range shots - he says that he filed the sights of his elephant rifles so that the bead covered the group of shots at 75 yards.
The assumption that Bell got most of his elephants in the open at long range is not true. And another - that the herds had never been hunted and were not afraid of man is also not true, he may have been the only white man in the territory, but Arabs would shoot at them with muzzleloaders; ivory was worth money.

To write Bell off as potentially a liar simply because he wrote the books about himself seems silly. On what grounds do we challenge the man? He undeniably shot more elephant than anyone on this forum, so I would read what he wrote with a little respect. As for the small bore thing....remember he wasnt the only one successfully shooting elephant with small bore rifles. The .303 and the 6.5x54MS were used by others. This is not a magic trick, nor was he the only one. Just that WDM Bell was particularly good at it, did well financially, and wrote a book that was successful. (1923, Wanderings of an Elephant hunter)
As pointed out above, .7.62NATO in the SLR has been used for culling elephants extensively and for exactly the same reason Bell used the .303 and the 7x57 - the ammo is cheap, the recoil makes it easy shooting, and it works fine.

I am curious though, because Bell seems to have been well known as a successful African hunter before he wrote his first book. In 1916 a bio of him appears in the Royal Flying Corps magazine "Flight" describing him as the 'famous' big game hunter...I wonder what was written about him prior to WW1 and where...

(I will observe that the small bore thing seems a less of a deal to Australians and NZ's though I think, as we have been shooting big game animals with .222 Remingtons for years...internet fights over whether a .243 will kill an elk for example, just seem silly to us. Although I think this is changing as more and more young people read and get their ideas from the interweb, which is largely American opinions.)

WDM Bell is also one of my favourite hunting guys, as you can see. But I think if you are going to detract from a historical figure people should at least have read the books properly. There is no mystery about how WDM Bell achieved his success as an epehant hunter with a 7x57 - he wrote it all down because he wanted to share the experience.

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Poaching? I never understood where this idea came from. Bell was actually already in the Lado Enclave with a paid-for hunting permit from the Belgian authorities when the Belgian King died. He writes that the Belgians left immediately and there was a six month period before the land became the property of the Sudan. A whole horde of rascally adventurers descended on teh place and some of them behaved terribly towards the native people.




Where does it come from? It can be inferred from other hunter's writings, and the dates those books refer to. For example, Bell was "off somewhere across the river" when Roosevelt visited the area, and missed being able to meet Bell. I believe from memory this was at Goma. Bell's career did span a period of time.

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I am curious though, because Bell seems to have been well known as a successful African hunter before he wrote his first book. In 1916 a bio of him appears in the Royal Flying Corps magazine "Flight" describing him as the 'famous' big game hunter...I wonder what was written about him prior to WW1 and where...




I also believe before Bell's experiences were written in a book, he wrote a regular column for a magazine or newspaper. Where exactly? Only from memory. Perhaps someone else can confirm or point out.


As for people's comments, many people understand, what is written in AUTO-biographical books is often with a personal bias. And should be read in such a manner. I too greatly enjoy Bell's books and his standing is at the top of historical African hunters IMO.

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      #270598 - 17/09/15 12:34 AM

This is a great thread, very interesting to re-read parts of it.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: NitroX]
      #270617 - 17/09/15 02:47 PM

http://frontierpartisans.com/526/the-elephant-poachers-of-the-lado-enclave/
A few notes on the Lado enclave.
Interstingly Harry Selby refers to him unflatteringly as a poacher in Horn of the Hunter. They were different times with different standards. Hard to pass judgement either way.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: Claydog]
      #270660 - 18/09/15 04:05 PM

Poachers? In the Lado in the early 1900s? And poaching what from who, I beg to know?

King Leopold was busy plundering the whole of the Congo for himself, the Brits, French, Germans, Portuguese, and Italians were competing with each other to lay their hands on the natural resources of the Continent, and none of them gave a damn about the inhabitants of the land. Who owned the game? Which European, no matter his flag of allegiance, had the right to look any other European in the eyes and tell him "These animals belong to me and my people, and you're an outlaw"?

The white hunters of the day were rogues, maybe, but they had balls that wouldn't fit in most other men's pants, and they usually worked with the locals, not against them. One of the reasons of their success (for those who did succeed...) was that they earned the respect and trust of the local tribes and rulers, and they hunted with their approval.

So, who is the poacher, and who is the plunderer?


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      #270710 - 19/09/15 10:23 PM


FULL TEXT OF BIG GAME SHOOTING RECORDS



BIG GAME SHOOTING RECORDS

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      #271453 - 07/10/15 06:15 AM

A great thread which I thoroughly enjoyed but it sadly dissolved into what maybe described as judging the past by todays standards?

Pretty pointless I venture,,,

Better if one one wishes to use second hand email links to make point one should maybe consider starting a new thread ?


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      #271454 - 07/10/15 06:33 AM

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A great thread which I thoroughly enjoyed but it sadly dissolved into what maybe described as judging the past by todays standards?

Pretty pointless I venture,,,




and referring to Clayton's posts too.

Good point. I have read Bell's 3 books and this hunter seems to be genuine
Bell lived on ivory and processes of hunting, mostly according to the law, apart in lawless places.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: larcher]
      #283747 - 11/06/16 03:58 PM

Some interesting posts, the article in the American Rifleman that Bell wrote, the emphasis is on a light rifle that is going to be carried all day. I wonder what Bell would say of the Merkel 141 in 9,3x74R or 7x65R. Weighing in at only 6.6 Lbs and using modern solids, it could well have been the ideal rifle for his purposes with a fast follow up shot.

Also, I have always wondered why he didn't use a 9,3x62.

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      #283821 - 13/06/16 10:58 PM

Has anyone been to Bell's former estate in the Scottish Highlands, Corremoilie (sp?) It's now a bed and breakfast. I am accumulating a long list of reasons to visit Scotland (grouse, St. Andrews, Bell, etc) and have a number of friends from there so it won't be long.

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      #286197 - 07/08/16 06:23 PM

I always was disappointed there were not any interviews or accounts from people who may have visited with the man in later life in Scotland, then I found this in a magazine called the Uganda Journal, published in 1954, written by a man named Kinloch, also an ex British officer,and a friend through correspondence it seemed. He wrote it as part of an obituary they printed, about a visit to Corriemolie.
I wish he said more about what they talked about, but he does say that Bell was reticent when talking about his exploits.

(I transcribe it here)

After recapping Bells career and general points of his life story which are commonly known, he writes:

I had the privilege of visiting Bell and his charming wife when I visited Scotland in 1951...my wife and I visited Bell's home Corriemollie, and were welcomed by an elderly, white haired man of soldierly bearing, great charm of manner and remarkably blue eyes. It was not long before the ice was broken and we were poring over maps and reliving Bells travels in Uganda. Our brief call ended with an invitation to stay for several days which we gladly accepted and the time passed all too quickly. Reticent as he was about his accomplishments, he was intensely interesting when persuaded to talk about his travels and his hobbies. I recollect him saying ""You know when you first called, I wondered what sort of person you expected Karamojo Bell to be, probably a tough swashbuckling old ivory-poacher, and I felt that you would be surprised to be met by someone who looked like a retired country parson." He was not far from the truth.

Apart from his other accomplishments Bell had a great artistic ability. I well remember his pictures hung round the house in particular a magnificent one painted by himself of a pride of lions and a lone old bull elephant drinking on opposite sides of a waterhole in the moonlight. His gun room contained a variety of weapons and he showed me a take down model .318 in a special light case*, saying wistfully that he had planned to visit Uganda by air in 1939 for a last elephant hunt but that the war had intervened and that he now felt he was too old. He was then nearly 75 (actually 71), but was still stalking red deer.
I said goodbye to him with regret and for the last time, for he died at his home at the end of June 1954.
The death of Karamojo Bell marks the ending of an era of professional elephant hunting in Africa which will never again be known and brings to a close the colourful career of a very great hunter sailor and gentleman.

(He closes with the lines from Stevenson's Requiem - hunter home from the hill etc.)
*This take down .318 was built on a Springfield rifle, bought from Rigby.

These pictures (from another source) I believe, were taken on this visit:





THis is Corriemollie today, much as it was seventy years ago (run now as a bed and breakfast) :


Steel target still hanging in the grounds. (Corriemollie was also run as a hunting lodge after his wife Katie died in the 1980's but I dont think they would be shooting by the house in those days -those are probably Bell's bullet holes.)


Just to illustrate his family origins, this is CLifton Hall today, his family home when a child and where he was born. (I think the property came from his mothers family.)


THis photo has no doubt been shown before but here it again. TO put it into context, this is Bell at a young looking 35 years old. Only months before he was in the Belgian Congo, and this is his flying license, obtained as part of his enlistment and training in the Royal Flying Corps. By early 1916 he had a commision and was back in East Africa flying for the Army.



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      #286214 - 08/08/16 06:56 AM

And he has the rugged looks of a fella that would sit you an your arse pretty quickly if you upset him.

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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: gryphon]
      #286215 - 08/08/16 11:33 AM



Having read his comments on fellow hunters he describes as "double barrel big bores" I'm not at all surprised he's incurred the wrath of a certain sector of the hunting community.

I'm surprised the 'use more gun' brigade don't regularly burn him in effigy.


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      #286218 - 08/08/16 12:38 PM

They are jealous as all shite imo.

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      #286220 - 08/08/16 03:36 PM

Another one I think I have posted before but here is the man himself in his flying corp uniform. I enjoyed the narration of his flying experiences in East Africa in the book Bell of Africa. I sure would have liked to tag along with him on one of his African adventures. They were certainly times that we today can have no real concept of what it was like.
An African trip with Bell and an India trip with Corbett would be like heaven, and that's most likely where I would end up if trying to keep up with those two.



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      #286261 - 10/08/16 03:15 AM

I love this thread, and Bell.

Mrs. Bell, by the way, was a pretty attractive lass.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: mckinney]
      #318460 - 27/07/18 08:07 AM

Just to add to this thread and keep it all in one place:


From the J. Rigby & Sons Ledgers:

Wednesday March 31 1937

Capt WDM Bell
Brought in .275 H.V. (high velocity) T.D (take–down) rifle with scope in case,
.220 Swift Winchester in card box and .22 Rigby Mauser in cover.
Fit a new barrel to the 275 for H.V cartridge
Fit a gold bead to foresight a shade smaller than the bead on his Winchester
Refit scope ¼ inch forward nearer muzzle
Also if possible fit the scope to the Winchester rifle to interchange with the .275
Regulate scope for the Swift cartridge with 48 grain sp bullet and 150 yards only
Fit a metal collar to forward lenses of scope to prevent rain from getting on lenses
Will call for rifles on Sept 1 or 2
He wants to sell the .22 Mauser. Put on second hand rack
Will accept 10 pounds near.


(Context – WDM Bell was an active deer stalker in Scotland once he returned from Africa and settled down with his wife at Corriemollie in Garve, Rossshire, after he returned from his last African safari trip, in 1924, at the age of 44. To the end of his days he was a gun aficionado.
The .275 rifle mentioned is the take down rifle he purchased from Rigby in 1923 for the overland road trip with the Forbes in that year. This rifle was most famously later purchased from his estate by Ruark and gifted to Mark Selby. The rifle was scoped, using a side mount.
The Winchester is the .220 Swift Model 70 that he used on red deer in Scotland. It seems that he had been previously using the rifle with iron sights (peep sight almost certainly, as other of his rifles had been fitted with aperture sights by this period also) Here he is having it fitted for the same scope that was on the .275, and has asked for a rain collar or shade to be fitted also. Scotland is very wet.
The .22 Rigby Mauser is a .22 Hipower on a Mauser action (a most beautiful little rifle, I have seen photographs of it) that he purchased from Rigby in 1929, (and was fitted with a cocking piece peep sight.) Again this was a Scottish deer stalking rifle. The .22 Hipower he was very fond of, even having used an earlier rifle chambered in this cartridge on buffalo in West Africa, but here he is selling the rifle.
My interpretation of this rifle shuffle is that the Winchester .220 Swift is now to be his main deerstalking rifle. )

Bell continued to stalk red deer in Scotland with his Winchester in .220 Swift (Article specifically "The Neck Shot") up until his early seventies.

Photo taken probably about ten years after this trip to Rigby.



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      #318461 - 27/07/18 08:48 AM

On Bell's famous 7x57 :

It is interesting to note that from the records at JRigby and Sons, that he purchased six 7mm Mauser rifles from Rigby in total over the years, but he only purchased his first Rigby made rifle in 7x57 caliber in 1910. This was well after his time in Karamojo, and after the Lado Enclave.



In other words the .275 caliber bolt action(s) that he used from 1902 to 1907 throughout the five years in the Karamojo, during which he shot the bulk of his elephants with a 7x57 rifle, and the rifle he specifialy refers to in "Karamojo Safari" were not a Rigby rifle at all. It was some other make of rifle. (possibly the .275 Rigby cartridge name has made people assume that it was a Rigby rifle also)

He does not specify the make of this rifle other than it is a 7x57 Mauser. His gun licenses from Kenya in that period show .450/400 (Which he writes he only used on his first Karamojo safari).303 Lee Metford or Lee Enfield rifles, and ""single barreled"" Mauser, which means this 7x57 we must assume.

He mentioned that once he could afford it he had his first bespoke rifle made for him, possibly it is the first Rigby in 1907, but also quite possibly it is one of these pther 7mm that he owned earlier.

But the main 7x57 rifle he achieved success with, and the one we would think was his "main" .275 Mauser, was not made by Rigby at all.

Bell was a good customer for J Rigby and sons, but Bell had several rifles that were not Rigby rifles we must remember, such as his Mannlicher Schoenauer carbine in 6.5x54, his other long barreled "beautifully sighted" Mannlicher by Gibbs that he shot much of his plains game with.(This rifle of all probably did the most work for him - from Giraffe to buffalo - all with soft points); his Thomas Bland double in .318 Westley Richards, as well as at least one other .318 on a Mauser action, and what can only have been a Savage 99 in .22 hipower, which he shot 23 buffalo with in West Africa; and of course his Winchester .220 Swift.

The Karamojo .275 could have been from somewhere like Army and Navy or any other maker, but given his close relationship with Fraser in Edinborough, and the fact that he was still buying rifles from the Fraser gunmakers even after Daniel Fraser himself died, (His Mannlicher Schoenauer carbine was from Fraser, around 1908) it could be fair to assume it may have been a Fraser- made Mauser rifle in .275 that was the rifle he used throughout his Karamojo days.

I wonder now if Fraser's sales records still exist, I would love to check through his purchases from them.

I will mention here that the rifle one comes across on the net of WDM Bell, is the famous take down rifle 7x57 that Robert Ruark bought from Rigby (along with his .450) after Bell's death. This rifle he gifted to Mark Selby.
This is the same rifle mentioned above in the 1937 visit to Rigby.

This particular specific 7x57 rifle was bought for the 1923 car journey across Africa to Khartoum with Gerrit Forbes and his brother, a trip that Bell wrote they did no real hunting, being too busy chasing across Africa in the vehicles at breakneck pace. Later, this rifle was obviously being used as a red deer stalking rifle in Scotland, and which he also had fitted a telescopic sight by that time. (Selby had another scope fitted to the rifle on top mounts, but the rifle as he received it had it had a side mount already in place)
This 1923 rifle probably never shot an elephant in Africa in Bell's hands, and the elephant that Gail Selby shot with it in the 1970's may have been the only one. It is more properly regarded as his highland deerstalking rifle.

Somewhere out there someone may have an old English built .275 Mauser that is not a Rigby, but is Bell's most famous African elephant rifle.


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Re: W.D.M. Bell [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #318462 - 27/07/18 09:01 AM

Ill take the 22 Rigby Mauser for 10 pounds thanks!!
Has their been any record of his 6.5x54 Mannlicher??

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      #318463 - 27/07/18 09:12 AM

That same Rigby Mauser in .22 Hipower was sold again a couple of years ago at auction. Some ridicuous price. I preserved a photo of it from teh auction but cant find it now, beautiful little Mauser rifle with a cocking peice peep sight in its case. Looked new.

The Mannlicher Schoenauer carbine is still in existence - Last I saw it was owned by an American collector. It was featured in an American Rifleman article in the late 1980's.
That would be something to have - used on many elephant by Bell, and started its career in the Lado Enclave...

No record I have come across for the Gibbs Mannlicher.

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      #318478 - 27/07/18 02:04 PM

Thanks "Carsen" for posting and adding. Hope you find the photos.

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