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gryphon
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Dogs on buff
#165683 - 04/08/10 09:43 AM

I ask this as there is a current thread on PH`s shooting clients buff.

I have always wondered why the Africn PH`s dont use a decent dog to follow up wounded buffalo..a pair of heelers would find a wounded one laying up or waiting over his back trail and worry the living shit out of him,so much so imo that a follow up shot would be far easier.
Taking the bulls attention away from the hunting party.

Black trackers might be good,real good in fact but they wont find game like a dog will.

Blue/Red Heelers IE The Australian Cattle Dog to the OS members,.famous for their genetics to 'heel' cattle,scrub bulls,anything in fact.

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CHAPUISARMES
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: gryphon]
#165684 - 04/08/10 10:15 AM

Hi Gryphon,

I read in another article that the use of dogs in hunting is banned in some / most areas of Africa but there is more experienced people on the forum who will know the "Nut's & Bolts" of it.

Cheers,

Jeff Gray

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Bramble
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#165685 - 04/08/10 10:26 AM

Although I know PH's that have terriers, some quite a pack of them, that will follow game,
I think that one of the reasons that they don't have "decent" dogs ie European type extensively trained blood work dogs, is that the life expectancy of dogs in Africa is pretty poor and they don't see it as viable.

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gryphon
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: Bramble]
#165686 - 04/08/10 11:18 AM

In my mind the dog (s) would be kept at heel until needed for the finding factor solely for after the shot or to heel the buff in a thicket to disclose its whereabouts etc. I didnt mean a free ranging dog that would be susceptible to a hungry cat etc.

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CHAPUISARMES
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: gryphon]
#165689 - 04/08/10 12:12 PM

Hi Gryphon,

I understand and do not disagree with you and as you say on a 20' tracking lead seems to be logical, BUT....

Cheers,

Jeff Gray

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gryphon
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#165693 - 04/08/10 01:02 PM

Jeff I said nothing about a 20' tracking lead haha.

A couple of Qld cattle dogs will stop scrub bulls and Asiatics up north by heeling them continually so I imagine a Cape B would do much the same as with all of the oxen the dog is an enemy.

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Ben
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: gryphon]
#165699 - 04/08/10 05:00 PM

It's a good idea. I think the idea of using trailing dogs is really catching-on with bowhunters in the USA.

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Bramble
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: Ben]
#165707 - 04/08/10 08:36 PM

I dont think that it is big cats that take the toll on the dogs it is snakes. Shakari will know better but I believe that bigger dogs do not last long in the bush.

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93mouse
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: Bramble]
#165710 - 04/08/10 09:12 PM

I guess dogs wouldn't last long in Zambezi Valley - TSe-Tse's would get them sooner or later...

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tophet1
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: Bramble]
#165711 - 04/08/10 09:13 PM

Ticks and snakes are the enemy of the African Dog.

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Ben
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: tophet1]
#165718 - 04/08/10 09:45 PM

The snakes must be far worse over there than here, as there's no end to the mangy, feral camp dogs floating around my neck of the woods.

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DarylS
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: Ben]
#165723 - 05/08/10 01:30 AM

We use Austrian/German tracking dogs (they've a wierd name) for tracking wounded moose and bears. The dogs will not track a non-lethally wounded moose or bear - they know if the wound/wounds is fatal - soemthing in the genetics or something - really an amazing animal. Coloured like a rotty or doberman - but more of a hound-ish dog. Wish I could remember the name.

They are incredible dogs - will 'bark' to let the guide know where they are if loose, but usually on a long lead. When finding/spotting a bear, they'll not bark, but growl instead, telling the guide the animal is still alive and a threat.

I'd imagine you would not want a dog on a lead when he finds the wounded buff.

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Daryl

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93mouse
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: DarylS]
#165784 - 05/08/10 08:32 PM

Dary I believe they are "Brandlbracke":

http://www.deutscherbrackenverein.de/ind...2&Itemid=22

We have them here as well.

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DarylS
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: 93mouse]
#165797 - 05/08/10 10:41 PM

That's the dog - but the name seems wrong - perhaps there's 2 different names for the same dog - Ahhhh - when I was told the breed, 'Ayla' used the entire name - with her German accent - that's it. What a great tracking dog they are - affectionate, too.

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Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

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xausa
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: DarylS]
#165800 - 05/08/10 11:05 PM

Bayerischer Gebirgsschweißhund?

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93mouse
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Re: Dogs on buff [Re: xausa]
#165802 - 05/08/10 11:48 PM

Xausa - BgS (Bayerischer Gebirgsschweißhund) is the one I have and is redish and smaller:

It might be "Carinthian bracke" aka Slovenian Mountain Hound - very closely related to the Central European Hound both in built and head shape as well as in colour and strongly resembles the Austrian Brandl Bracke:

Or Tirole Bracke:

There is a hole bunch of dogs under Bracke (hound) name here...see:

http://www.besfern.com/RAZAS%20FCI/grupo%206.htm

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