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DarylS
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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: Rule303]
      #380694 - 07/11/23 02:28 PM

Yes - it certainly does look like a Rem. M30, doesn't it.
I used one of those in .30/06 for a .30/338, then re-chambered that to a standard .300 Win. Mag. and sold it to a young fellow who "needed it" more than I did.

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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: DarylS]
      #380696 - 07/11/23 06:00 PM

Iron sights obsolescence discussion, three thread pages of posts, only at NE.

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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: NitroX]
      #380700 - 07/11/23 09:06 PM

TR shooting which is probably the largest user of Iron sights (peep) is dying scopes have moved in. Small bore (22) is probably holding its own every other discipline is going gang busters all scoped.
The BBRG Nationals had how many shooters.
And i haven't touched on the vermin shooting Brigade.
Lazers are quietly moving in with thermals, starlight died.
Times and gear is certainly changing


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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: Rule303]
      #380701 - 07/11/23 09:28 PM

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Please excuse my ignorance but what action did Lloyd use? That looks a bit like a Rem Model 30, a factory rebuild of the M17.




Gewehr 98 / lateral slide safety





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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: Bindi2]
      #380709 - 08/11/23 03:17 AM

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TR shooting which is probably the largest user of Iron sights (peep) is dying scopes have moved in. Small bore (22) is probably holding its own every other discipline is going gang busters all scoped.
The BBRG Nationals had how many shooters.
And i haven't touched on the vermin shooting Brigade.
Lazers are quietly moving in with thermals, starlight died.
Times and gear is certainly changing




Currently, all my powder burners, EXCEPT for the muzzleloaders, model 86/71 in .45/70, the model76 in 50-95 & the 8.15x46R M71 have scopes. My .25 cal. air rifles have mostly 6-24X scopes. LOL

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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: DarylS]
      #380711 - 08/11/23 05:36 AM

Here in Scotland we pretty much all use telescopic sights. Indeed most use a 4-12x50 or 56 type scope, if not more powerful, all with lots of clicky turrets etc.

Go back 30 years a 4x32 or a 6x42 was considered a powerful optic.

With the David Lloyd rifles you need look at them with regard to when the were built. David Lloyd died in the mid 1990’s in his 80’s.

When he developed and patented his mounting system most sporting rifles still were open sighted and if scoped, scope mounts were flimsy affairs easily knocked off zero. The David Lloyd Rifles were built to maintain zero and they generally did very well.

In the past when a Gentleman or a Lady bought a rifle the rifle “shot and regulated” for a particular ammunition. Open sights would be filed in for such ammo, and scope zeroed for such ammo.


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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: HeymSR20]
      #380712 - 08/11/23 06:38 AM

Good info. I do know that a LOT of people shoot factory ammunition. Those who do, do little shooting, I assume. I started handloading with my first 3 CF rifles, every one of them, back in the late 1960's.
The first factory ammo I purchased, was just about 10 years ago, for a trial, for a new Browning .300 mag. I already had been handloading .300 mag. for it and wanted to test the new WW 180gr. bonded ammunition. It shot identically to my handloads, clover-leafs at 100 meters.
Just a few years ago, I bought another box of factory ammo, for a new-to-me 30/06 M70, that was made in September of 1936. This was also 180gr. bonded WW ammo. Seems to me, it was around $30.00 for that 20rounds. It shot around an inch, whereas the handloads, in that "old" rifle, do just over .6" for 5 rounds.
Just last Saturday, I checked the pricing of ammo in .45/70. I was quite shocked to see it was from $70.00 to $85.00. YIKES - for 20 rounds.
Then, I saw a box of 50 350gr. FN bullets for handloading, was $82.99 & 325gr. were $80.00 for 50 bullets.
Yikes again.
Good thing I cast for the big bores and have a decent stock of smaller bullets for the smaller ones - for handloading.

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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: HeymSR20]
      #380714 - 08/11/23 06:48 AM

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Here in Scotland we pretty much all use telescopic sights. Indeed most use a 4-12x50 or 56 type scope, if not more powerful, all with lots of clicky turrets etc.

Go back 30 years a 4x32 or a 6x42 was considered a powerful optic.

With the David Lloyd rifles you need look at them with regard to when the were built. David Lloyd died in the mid 1990’s in his 80’s.

When he developed and patented his mounting system most sporting rifles still were open sighted and if scoped, scope mounts were flimsy affairs easily knocked off zero. The David Lloyd Rifles were built to maintain zero and they generally did very well.

In the past when a Gentleman or a Lady bought a rifle the rifle “shot and regulated” for a particular ammunition. Open sights would be filed in for such ammo, and scope zeroed for such ammo.




The problem was that nobody in England knew with what ammunition the rifle was zeroing.

We had once again to shot and regulate the rifle for a ammunition our choice, but due to the marks on the screws of the scope mount, we were not the first to do something like that.


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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: grandveneur]
      #380716 - 08/11/23 07:57 AM

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Please excuse my ignorance but what action did Lloyd use? That looks a bit like a Rem Model 30, a factory rebuild of the M17.




Gewehr 98 / lateral slide safety








Thanks for the info. I see he bent the bolt handle back so the bolt nob is close to the trigger.


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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: Rule303]
      #380717 - 08/11/23 09:18 AM

That weird dog-leg bolt and the seemingly long, differently shaped sleeve fooled me. not hard to do with guns I had 35 years ago.

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Re: Are Iron Sights Obsolete? [Re: NitroX]
      #380783 - 30/11/23 12:10 PM

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I think it should be mandatory for any new shooter to learn using open sights, not start with optics. IMO. Of course lesser eyesight forces some to for go open sights.

When younger I could shoot very well with my open sights. With good eyesight it merely a skill to learn.

No doubt the smartphone glued Creedmoor obsessed generation disagrees.




Hell John. Today's snowflakes can't change a spare tire or do arithmetic. A letter written in cursive is some strange code to them.

Do you actually believe they'll frustrate themselves with open sights. They're too complicated.

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