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Ripp,

Thanks for posting. That is an interesting, takedown rifle.

It seems that a number of speciality rifles use barrel extensions with replaceable bolt heads which allows light weight. unstressed actions and quick barrel changes.

I am not sure why they selected 20" barrels for the high power cartridges listed. Any thoughts?

Are the barrels carbon fiber wrapped which many high end manufacturers are using to lower weight and improve accuracy by stiffening the barrel? If so, I missed that.

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Don't see the need for the muzzle brake.

It's is switch barrels not a takedown Look at that lengthy thingee on the bottom of the forend. Boring chamberings choices.

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Actually the 6.5PRC is a great caliber..have used it the past couple of seasons.. pretty much a ballistic twin of the .264Win Mag.. a bit more efficient .. surprisingly easy to reload for .. and accurate ...

If most of your shots are under 50 yards it might be boring..

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mmmm another invention looking for a market.
If they have found a market, they may survive, if not,

Interesting, but I will stick with my present armory.

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Gunwerks has been around for nearly 30 years.. Their schools are consistently sold out every week.. they just build an additional facility. Pretty sure they will do just fine without additional monetary input on your part..

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Gunwerks has been around for nearly 30 years.." And they are new to me.
Obviously not active in the same circles as I. They in Wyoming and I in Central Texas.

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Interesting rifle...but then I usually find rifles I cannot afford interesting.

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In reading your comments, I sensed that you were getting more and more interested as you thought about that rifle. It is a nice rifle.

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To be 100% honest, have been interested for years.. BUT, felt like many still do today. Felt I can built the same on my own, just as good for less money.. YES and NO.. ALL depends on what you are looking for, for what purpose, etc..

I attended my first LR Shooting class with them around 2014..Asked the instructor that very question one day during a break.. I have attended a few since, in fact wrote an article about their school that was published in the Nov issue I believe of HUNT ALASKA MAGAZINE...

This model offers some of what their past rifles had along with new innovative features I appreciate. For where I live and what I hunt, this would work really well. But then so would about a dozen of my other rifles..

GW's is in the forefront of technology. To some that is undesirable, to me it's not.. I can appreciate guns and gear for what they are and what they were when developed and sold. Really enjoy the old Winchesters, bolts and levers.. Love doubles and their history... Really enjoy SXS shotguns, handguns..and AR style rifles/pistol configurations..

I really like reaching out and touching targets at 1000 yards and beyond.. To me that's fun.. Have no plans on shooting game at long range. And to me, long range on game is past 600 yards.. Elk hunting, I have shot bulls as close as 3 yards with my bow.. have also taken them just past 600 on the other side of a canyon with my 300RUM.. Have also shot dozens under 200 yards or less.. many under 100.. sneaking through the woods after a fresh snowfall or while its snowing is pure magic in my mind..

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Blah! Plastic smastik! S0


What's with the sudden American fascination with 6.5s? Have they suddenly discovered metric?!

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Well..hasn't been so sudden..has been for quite some time now..read a good article about that just yesterday actually.

The long range competitions was the main driving force behind the popularity.. now it seems the 6mm's are gaining equal or more traction..

As to the 6.5 fascination, the Creedmoor just took it to the next level others couldn't figure out..

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Jeez Daryl_S...15,000 rounds of .458! What were you doing, practicing for a job if they ever start culling ele again in Zimbabwe?

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The Swedes figured it out about 130 years ago.

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https://www.fieldandstream.com/story/guns/6-5-creedmoor-vs-the-6-5-55-swedish/

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No. The writer is just an advertising slut for hire. Prostitute.

A $100 M96 Mauser Military 6.5x55 with "ex military" 140 gr FMJs shoot better than his lousy groups consistently. One small hole groups when I bother. With a heavy two stage trigger.

Writer slut I see never properly compared velocities. Handloaded the 6.5x55, which I will call from here on, the 6.5x55, is faster than the crudemore wannabe.

Handloading extremely easy. Only a retard can't find components.

Long distance? Faster. More accurate. Same bullets. Huh?

Slut writer needing to sell wannabe new rifles in a hyped wannabe non new plagiarised cartridge? Winner, Creedmoor!!!!!

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I would not mind having a play with one.

This quick change barrel though is not true. the barrels do not get changed quickly, rather slow indeed. Mind you I am use to the M60, Bren gun quick change. Move a lever, barrel out, new barrel in, close lever, cock action go on firing. Should be "In camp or home bench " chainable.

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Well I kind of think you are safe. I cannot ever remember a cartridge that managed to get so much play in the gun rags and applicable social media sites. For a while there it seemed like every magazine, paper, etc. had full blown articles on the cartridge and dozens of writers seemed to have taken possession of a rifle chambered in the round. Has to be one of the biggest marketing pushes I have ever seen.

For a while it seemed like every hunter/shooter I know had read about the 6.5 CM and was in a huge snot to get one. Now however, I can say that in the firearms for sale sites I keep an eye on, there are more used rifles chamber in 6.5 CM for sale than you can shake a stick at. Of the guys I have talked to that are selling, they all seem to have satisfied their curiosity and are now on to the next wonder cartridge.

In the mean time...and this is no doubt due to the aging process...I just bought myself a nice little Husqvarna 1600 chambered in the ancient 6.5x55. It is in excellent condition and similar to a Husky I owned many years ago. A sweet handling little rifle that has a degree of nostalgia attached to it in my case. Good chance the deer I whack with it will not be perturbed they were not sent over the rainbow bridge by one of the newer 6.5's.

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Well I kind of think you are safe. I cannot ever remember a cartridge that managed to get so much play in the gun rags and applicable social media sites. For a while there it seemed like every magazine, paper, etc. had full blown articles on the cartridge and dozens of writers seemed to have taken possession of a rifle chambered in the round. Has to be one of the biggest marketing pushes I have ever seen.

For a while it seemed like every hunter/shooter I know had read about the 6.5 CM and was in a huge snot to get one. Now however, I can say that in the firearms for sale sites I keep an eye on, there are more used rifles chamber in 6.5 CM for sale than you can shake a stick at. Of the guys I have talked to that are selling, they all seem to have satisfied their curiosity and are now on to the next wonder cartridge.

In the mean time...and this is no doubt due to the aging process...I just bought myself a nice little Husqvarna 1600 chambered in the ancient 6.5x55. It is in excellent condition and similar to a Husky I owned many years ago. A sweet handling little rifle that has a degree of nostalgia attached to it in my case. Good chance the deer I whack with it will not be perturbed they were not sent over the rainbow bridge by one of the newer 6.5's.

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Well, in this neck of the woods it still seems to be really popular.. LR circuit and hunters both.. For what it is, its one heck of a cartridge.. no more no less perhaps than some others..but has really caught on . In the local gun shops.. its amazing how many are still being sold and how many new rifles are still being produced in that caliber..apparently demand is still there ..

My opinion, many items in the hunting world have improved with time.. Metal is better now than it was 50 years ago, scopes are better than they were 50 years ago, bullets are better (bonded vs non), cartridges are no different.. Might be a slight tweak here and there that won't make much difference to most..but for those who it will, the advantages are there..

AND.. People are really going to love this.. a 7PRC was just announce about 4 hours ago..posted a YOUTUBE video on it a bit ago.. lots of choices that I am sure will not be here 10 years from now..

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Think that is one of the desirable qualities should you have 2 barrels along for a distant hunt...could change from one caliber to another but really only bring 1 rifle --

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The increasing reason for one rifle is air flights. From non US countries luggage weights are increasingly strictly controlled. I once paid close to a second ticket for costs of excess luggage for an African safari.

Carrying two firearms is an 8ncreasing impossibility. If hunting DG and plains game, making a .375, .404, or 416 a great idea.

If bringing two rifles, what intelligent person would not make one a double rifle!

Re double barrels which are with single shots, the original takedown and switch barrels, I have a project in mind with my scoped doubles. Working with different bullets and loads, can I have a dangerous load and a longer range load. Even if only with one barrel. Perhaps with two scopes?

Switch barrel bolt actions are increasingly popular as new designs.

Want two rifles? Get two the same design! I have two Mauser M03s. Can have a .404 and a 8x68S st the same time. But can only carry one!

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Carrying two firearms is an 8ncreasing impossibility. If hunting DG and plains game, making a .375, .404, or 416 a great idea."

Agreed! I added my Win 1895 .405 to the list. I hand load 210, 300, and 400 grain ammo for it and that covers about anything I want to shoot.

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With the exception of my last trip to Africa, which was to Cameroon, I have always taken two. My 300RUM and 416Rem... Cameroon I just took one because of game in the area we were at as well as what I was hunting.. Plus heard lots of horror stories about getting in and out of there with all your gear.. Many of which proved to be true.. in that case I just took a 375H&H.. again took that in case my ammo didn't show up, which it didn't thankfully the PH has numerous boxes of it.. When I left they made me aware my ammo was at the airport. Which was given to me at that time so I gave it to the outfitter..

Ammo was originally held up at that liberal bastion Paris airport. BTW, have had issues every time I go through Paris, WAY to many liberals working there is all I an figure.. or dumb and lazy --OR all of the above. One of my hunting buddies has had the same issue at least 8 times. So now if at all possible I/we avoid Paris.

IF I were to go hunting in the wilds of places like Zim. again, My light rifle would be a .375.. I have stated this before and will again.. You never know what your going to bump into or how all the scenarios will play out during your time there.. A LOT can happen and the PH is NOT always there to assist.. Usually yes, always, NO..as it should be.. I will leave it there.. If headed to a hunt in a more controlled area like S Africa, different story..

My 300RUM and 416REM were good combos just the same.. Loaded 200gr A-Frames in the 300RUM and 400gr A-Frames in the 416.. BOTH hit game really hard.. 99% one shot kills.. Really like those bullets..

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The increasing reason for one rifle is air flights. From non US countries luggage weights are increasingly strictly controlled. I once paid close to a second ticket for costs of excess luggage for an African safari.

Carrying two firearms is an 8ncreasing impossibility. If hunting DG and plains game, making a .375, .404, or 416 a great idea.

If bringing two rifles, what intelligent person would not make one a double rifle!

Re double barrels which are with single shots, the original takedown and switch barrels, I have a project in mind with my scoped doubles. Working with different bullets and loads, can I have a dangerous load and a longer range load. Even if only with one barrel. Perhaps with two scopes?

Switch barrel bolt actions are increasingly popular as new designs.

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Having said that, when I make it back there I plan to take my W/R double in .470 and a bolt in .375 or .416..

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Naa - LOL - just playing with it and various loads since 1975.
Some light loads too along with 400's at 2,150fps, 350's at 2,296fps and 510gr. WW at 2,060fps. In an 8 pound rifle, they still booted somewhat.

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Why not! With better powders the .458 Win Mag is very capable. I would load 480 gr Woodleighs in it not 500 or 510 gr projectiles. A much much more capable cartridge than a .45/70. The .458 Win Mag has an element of recent vintage nostalgia. IMO.

I considered a Whitworth K98 sold by 4seventy on here once. I remember the .458 Win Mag M70 African with fondness from catalogues maybe 1980? I wanted one back then. A cannon!

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Why not! With better powders the .458 Win Mag is very capable. I would load 480 gr Woodleighs in it not 500 or 510 gr projectiles. A much much more capable cartridge than a .45/70. The .458 Win Mag has an element of recent vintage nostalgia. IMO.

I considered a Whitworth K98 sold by 4seventy on here once. I remember the .458 Win Mag M70 African with fondness from catalogues maybe 1980? I wanted one back then. A cannon!

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Why not! With better powders the .458 Win Mag is very capable. I would load 480 gr Woodleighs in it not 500 or 510 gr projectiles. A much much more capable cartridge than a .45/70. The .458 Win Mag has an element of recent vintage nostalgia. IMO.

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Modern bonded bullets are amazing, IMHO... I have told this story a lot.. BUT, during one hunt in Zim I shot a buffalo at about 80 yards using my .416 Rem.. 400gr A-Frames.. PH asked if I had a soft in ..said yes..he said take him.. I fired.. took him AND the bull standing on his off side.. PH said he had never seen that happen before in 20+ years of guiding buff hunters..

Have never used anything other than those bullets since.. with the exception of high mtn hunts..using accubonds..

Differnce I have found is the Swift's hold up to crazy velocities where the Accubonds will not.

I am running my 28 Nosler at 3150 with Swift 175's .. Ran my 300RUM at over 3300 with Swift 180's.. all held up no matter what the distance was near or far.. Accubonds will not do that.. much thinner jacket.. Accubonds work best with 3000 fps or less ..used them in Africa the first trip out of my 300RUM.. mistake..



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So then my next question on the performance you experienced is what were the impact velocities on the game animals you hit with the Accubonds out of your .300 RUM? As you know well, muzzle velocity is one thing, but what actually matters is the actual impact velocity on the animal at 200 yards or whatever the distance was.

I am not arguing or disagreeing with what you said, just trying to establish a better frame of reference.

I do not shoot any of the RUM's or the Nosler chamberings. Had a 26 Nosler at one point and got rid of it. Too be honest when I thought about it after reading your post, I don't think I have ever used an Accubond our of anything that is a high velocity chambering. No real reason for that other than I have been shooting a lot of monometal offerings in recent years and that is what I usually had in the fast cartridges.

I have used Accubonds in the .270 Win and they have always worked great...that being 130 or 140 grain bullets at their respective velocities. Also 165 grain in a .30-06. The 225 grain bullets out of a .338 Win Mag and 260 and 300's out of a .375 H&H. So I have not really strained them with ultra high velocity cartridges...they have always had E-tips, Barnes, CEB or Peregrine leaving the barrel.

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So then my next question on the performance you experienced is what were the impact velocities on the game animals you hit with the Accubonds out of your .300 RUM? As you know well, muzzle velocity is one thing, but what actually matters is the actual impact velocity on the animal at 200 yards or whatever the distance was.

I am not arguing or disagreeing with what you said, just trying to establish a better frame of reference.

I do not shoot any of the RUM's or the Nosler chamberings. Had a 26 Nosler at one point and got rid of it. Too be honest when I thought about it after reading your post, I don't think I have ever used an Accubond our of anything that is a high velocity chambering. No real reason for that other than I have been shooting a lot of monometal offerings in recent years and that is what I usually had in the fast cartridges.

I have used Accubonds in the .270 Win and they have always worked great...that being 130 or 140 grain bullets at their respective velocities. Also 165 grain in a .30-06. The 225 grain bullets out of a .338 Win Mag and 260 and 300's out of a .375 H&H. So I have not really strained them with ultra high velocity cartridges...they have always had E-tips, Barnes, CEB or Peregrine leaving the barrel.

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The impact velocity was on the higher side..I had those 180s going 3370fps..shots in Afica are much closer than most of what I do here in Montana..would say they were 150 yrds or less..some much less..

I shot an impala one day fore leopard bait and blew the fetus right out of the doe..

First animal I shot was a waterbuck..took for shots to finally put it down..it dropped on every shot and got back up

I have had very good results in my 280AI with the accubonds..but.. also much lower velocity and most shots are 300 yards or more..the last Ibex was 430 ..

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Well I doubt I have on my personal hunts or with clients I was guiding, seen impact velocity with Accubonds that exceeded 3100 fps. My closest impact velocity was probably from around 3100 fps with a 110 grain Accubond out of a 25-06. It certainly seemed to have performed as expected on a mulie and exited the off side. Outside of that particular instance I doubt I have had more than a handful of impact velocities that exceeded 3000 fps and most have probably been down in the 2400 to 2900 fps from the various cartridges I have used them in.

It would be interesting to hear of others experiences with impact velocities exceeding 3100 fps. For the most part, when I have recovered Accubonds they were nice mushrooms and had weight retentions that were similar to what you would have for weight retention with their Partitions, as has been claimed by Nosler. Of course the Partitions are not bonded, like the A-frames, but with the partition they generally turn in weight retentions of around 55 to 60% with the entire front portion of lead core gone.

Generally I have leaned towards full monometal bullets or monometal rear shank bullets like the North Fork or Trophy Bonded in recent years. For the most part they offer high BC's and you can drop back a notch or two in bullet weight and have higher muzzle velocities.
And on that note, I am getting ready to order some of the Hammer Bullets to give them a try.

So many bullets to try these days that you just can't keep up with it. Not enough time, money and in many cases you cannot depend on availability.

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So then my next question on the performance you experienced is what were the impact velocities on the game animals you hit with the Accubonds out of your .300 RUM? As you know well, muzzle velocity is one thing, but what actually matters is the actual impact velocity on the animal at 200 yards or whatever the distance was.

I am not arguing or disagreeing with what you said, just trying to establish a better frame of reference.

I do not shoot any of the RUM's or the Nosler chamberings. Had a 26 Nosler at one point and got rid of it. Too be honest when I thought about it after reading your post, I don't think I have ever used an Accubond our of anything that is a high velocity chambering. No real reason for that other than I have been shooting a lot of monometal offerings in recent years and that is what I usually had in the fast cartridges.

I have used Accubonds in the .270 Win and they have always worked great...that being 130 or 140 grain bullets at their respective velocities. Also 165 grain in a .30-06. The 225 grain bullets out of a .338 Win Mag and 260 and 300's out of a .375 H&H. So I have not really strained them with ultra high velocity cartridges...they have always had E-tips, Barnes, CEB or Peregrine leaving the barrel.

I have used the A-frames a fair amount over the years...when I could get them...but again out of more "moderate" chamberings when it comes to muzzle velocity. They always do what they are suppose to as those who have used them a fair bit know.

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The impact velocity was on the higher side..I had those 180s going 3370fps..shots in Afica are much closer than most of what I do here in Montana..would say they were 150 yrds or less..some much less..

I shot an impala one day fore leopard bait and blew the fetus right out of the doe..

First animal I shot was a waterbuck..took for shots to finally put it down..it dropped on every shot and got back up

I have had very good results in my 280AI with the accubonds..but.. also much lower velocity and most shots are 300 yards or more..the last Ibex was 430 ..

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Well I doubt I have on my personal hunts or with clients I was guiding, seen impact velocity with Accubonds that exceeded 3100 fps. My closest impact velocity was probably from around 3100 fps with a 110 grain Accubond out of a 25-06. It certainly seemed to have performed as expected on a mulie and exited the off side. Outside of that particular instance I doubt I have had more than a handful of impact velocities that exceeded 3000 fps and most have probably been down in the 2400 to 2900 fps from the various cartridges I have used them in.

It would be interesting to hear of others experiences with impact velocities exceeding 3100 fps. For the most part, when I have recovered Accubonds they were nice mushrooms and had weight retentions that were similar to what you would have for weight retention with their Partitions, as has been claimed by Nosler. Of course the Partitions are not bonded, like the A-frames, but with the partition they generally turn in weight retentions of around 55 to 60% with the entire front portion of lead core gone.

Generally I have leaned towards full monometal bullets or monometal rear shank bullets like the North Fork or Trophy Bonded in recent years. For the most part they offer high BC's and you can drop back a notch or two in bullet weight and have higher muzzle velocities.
And on that note, I am getting ready to order some of the Hammer Bullets to give them a try.

So many bullets to try these days that you just can't keep up with it. Not enough time, money and in many cases you cannot depend on availability.

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My experiences with Accubonds along with an extensive test I posted years ago where GUNS AND AMMO tested what they felt were the top 10 hunting bullets, they do perform very similar to partitions with 50 to 60% weight retention.. With the Swift Scirocco's --they seem to be in the upper 70% to low 80% out of my 300RUM..The jacket on the Scirocco is considerably thicker than the Accubonds.. The A-Frames I have recovered are near 90%.. which is why I prefer them.. I also prefer them over the Barnes on elk.. I feel they hit harder with their mushrooming effect..I base that on dozens of elk.. along with dozens of PG in Africa.. but, each to their own, just what I prefer..

On a more positive note for the accubonds, my findings are they are easier to get to shoot well ..and shoot incredibly well in my 280AI.. Factory loads are 3 shots touching at 100yards.. close enough for me..

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Well you certainly have me beat on elk. I have only taken 15 or 16 I believe, and not too many with the same type of bullet. My first was taken many years ago with a .308 calibre 180 grain Imperial Sabre Tip from Dominion Industries...back when Canada still had a company manufacturing ammunition for civilian hunters and shooters. Interestingly, it was the first plastic tipped bullet on the market in North America, unlike today where they are common place.

Over the years I also used Partitions, A-frames, Sierra Gameking (only once), Grand Slams, Barnes X, Barnes TSX and Barnes TTSX, North Fork and Accubonds on elk. Most recent was an 165 grain Accubond on a big cow. Was shooting a Pre-64 in .30-06 at about 250 yards. Complete pass through on a broadside double lung shot. She did a slow little trot in a circle and fell over. Hardly a strain test on the Accubond.

I have only been to Africa 3 times and, as with most hunters, I took two rifles. One for dangerous game and one for PG. So on each trip I was just using one brand of bullet in my PG rifle, which with only three safaris under my belt, didn't lead to much in the way of bullet performance comparison. Swift A-frames in a .338 WM on one, Barnes TSX out of a .308 Norma Magnum on another, and 260 grain Accubonds out of a .375 H&H. They all did the job nicely and there really was not one of the three that stood out as being better than the others.

We really are blessed with all of the exceptional bullets we have to choose from these days. Fifty years ago it was not the case and there were many that suffered from the problem of jacket separation. Back then Partitions were the fair haired child.

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