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I read some interesting info last night about the model 70 along with several other manufacturers in the DANGEROUS GAME RIFLES by WIELAND ..

As to the model 70--had 3 --inherited 3 more in the last year.. 243, 270 (YIKES) , 7mm Rem, 300 H&H (pre-64), 416 and 458..last two being for FN heritage since the takeover..have never shot the 416 or 458..still sitting in the box they come in..

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As to the model 70--had 3 --inherited 3 more in the last year.. 243, 270 (YIKES) , 7mm Rem, 300 H&H (pre-64), 416 and 458..last two being for FN heritage since the takeover..have never shot the 416 or 458..still sitting in the box they come in..

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Glad to see no Creedmoor has sullied the Model 70 yet ...

I owned a Winchester Model 70 in .30-06 for a short while. A Featherweight. It was supposed to replace my Parker Hale M98. Bought it on a package deal with heavy crappy mounts and a huge steel variable scope. Winchester was flogging them off for a good reason. THEY DIDN'T SHOOT! I had it glass bedded. New lighter mounts. A different scope. SHOT SIX INCH GROUPS. Could not get it better.

Reluctantly and at a huge discount to my pocket sold it off to some poor buyer. Let the buyer beware. They already had the reputation of being a POS rifle. Looked nice but ....

During its limited use with me, I used to have the bullet seated to just touch the lands. With the M70 it resulted in a pulled bullets and the ball powder spilling all through the action. I had to seemingly remove every last grain to get the action to cycle again. Unlike a Mauser 98's reliability ... After this I stopped seating bullets to touch the lands. A small way off is fine and more reliable.

That model of the Winchester M70 was pure crap and badly made. I am not criticising other especially older M70's. However I will stick to Mausers in the future. A much better action.

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I read some interesting info last night about the model 70 along with several other manufacturers in the DANGEROUS GAME RIFLES by WIELAND ..

As to the model 70--had 3 --inherited 3 more in the last year.. 243, 270 (YIKES) , 7mm Rem, 300 H&H (pre-64), 416 and 458..last two being for FN heritage since the takeover..have never shot the 416 or 458..still sitting in the box they come in..

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I had an opportunity to buy one of several pre-64's in .300H&H and could not afford one. I got the .30/06 instead.
Kinda glad I did, but one of the .300's would have been fine, too.

That's bad luck, John. my 1936 M70's best so far for 5 shot groups are .560" with 165's @ 2,960fps and .640" with 180's @ 2,745fps - shot with
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I read some interesting info last night about the model 70 along with several other manufacturers in the DANGEROUS GAME RIFLES by WIELAND ..

As to the model 70--had 3 --inherited 3 more in the last year.. 243, 270 (YIKES) , 7mm Rem, 300 H&H (pre-64), 416 and 458..last two being for FN heritage since the takeover..have never shot the 416 or 458..still sitting in the box they come in..

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I had an opportunity to buy one of several pre-64's in .300H&H and could not afford one. I got the .30/06 instead.
Kinda glad I did, but one of the .300's would have been fine, too.

That's bad luck, John. my 1936 M70's best so far for 5 shot groups are .560" with 165's @ 2,960fps and .640" with 180's @ 2,745fps - shot with
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Agree.. I am NOT a Winchester Model 70 guy per se, but the ones I have shoot well..

Having said that, not really a Mauser guy either.. .. probably just have not used one enough to appreciate what they are I suppose.. so no offense to anyone meant..

I will say, if I were to build a custom, which I do plan to do, I would lean towards the Winchester as the action I would use.. or something like Granite Mtn...

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That model, the Featherweight, of the Winchester M70 was pure crap and badly made. I am not criticising other especially older M70's. However I will stick to Mausers in the future. A much better action.

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Don't get me wrong, I think the Winchester Model 70 is a good action, and in reality would not be reluctant to own one. That model of the Featherweight, was very badly made. Huge reputation for inaccuracy. I don't know why it was like it was. Other models have reasonable reputations. I was once going to use the Model 70 as a basis for a three barrel takedown rifle.

I do prefer a real Mauser 98 though. Far more reliable. I mentioned the inability to use the rifle when a stuck bullet ejected powder all through a M70 action, Took forever to clean and reclean before the action would cycle properly. Never had this sort of problem with the military Mauser 98.

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Nice looking rifle Patagonhunter.

I have never liked the M70. Simply because of the fit,and lack of safety from escaping gas. Fit could be fixed and so could the bolt handle (looks only). However those I know who have them love them and most shoot well.

The 30-06 is a great cartridge case for making .270,35 Whelan, 338-06 etc. Tried one once and it did nothing my old 303 wouldn't do and did nothing for me. Yet I like the 308, go figure, I can't. Mind you 30 cal is the least used of my collection now. The old M94 in 30-30 used to get used a lot in my younger day.

Yes the M98's and M17/P14's have a slow lock time. The M70 sits between these and the Rem 700.

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Thanks for posting the pics..

Your comment on the .30 cal is interesting.. as it is one of the most commonly used calibers in the US... 30-06, 308W, 300Win Mag, etc.. are a huge percentage of the ammo sold each year... that is when you could still buy ammo..

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Interesting on the ammo shortage. AFAIK, there is no ammo shortage here. Canadian Tire's shelves are full & that's 30' or more long & 4' high. I don't know how deep it is, but goes back under the stand up gun rack.
I think KKS's rack is also full - we only have the two gun stores.
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It's the craziest damn thing I have ever seen..

Guns stores have moved other items where the ammo used to be otherwise the shelves are bare...
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Sadly there are many who are sitting with no ammo..not prepared for the situation we are now facing..idiots..
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We are told its because of Covid..or the 7 million new gun owners in the last year....whatever the reason..I have enough to last my lifetime..so they can take their price gouging and shove it where the sun doesn't shine..

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Nice looking rifle Patagonhunter.

I have never liked the M70. Simply because of the fit,and lack of safety from escaping gas. Fit could be fixed and so could the bolt handle (looks only). However those I know who have them love them and most shoot well.

The 30-06 is a great cartridge case for making .270,35 Whelan, 338-06 etc. Tried one once and it did nothing my old 303 wouldn't do and did nothing for me. Yet I like the 308, go figure, I can't. Mind you 30 cal is the least used of my collection now. The old M94 in 30-30 used to get used a lot in my younger day.

Yes the M98's and M17/P14's have a slow lock time. The M70 sits between these and the Rem 700.

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Thanks for posting the pics..

Your comment on the .30 cal is interesting.. as it is one of the most commonly used calibers in the US... 30-06, 308W, 300Win Mag, etc.. are a huge percentage of the ammo sold each year... that is when you could still buy ammo..

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I travel to the beat of a different drum I guess. I just like different calibres. I do have 2 308's and a 300SAUM, all are good shooters but get used the least.

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Nice looking rifle Patagonhunter.

I have never liked the M70. Simply because of the fit,and lack of safety from escaping gas. Fit could be fixed and so could the bolt handle (looks only). However those I know who have them love them and most shoot well.

The 30-06 is a great cartridge case for making .270,35 Whelan, 338-06 etc. Tried one once and it did nothing my old 303 wouldn't do and did nothing for me. Yet I like the 308, go figure, I can't. Mind you 30 cal is the least used of my collection now. The old M94 in 30-30 used to get used a lot in my younger day.

Yes the M98's and M17/P14's have a slow lock time. The M70 sits between these and the Rem 700.

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Thanks for posting the pics..

Your comment on the .30 cal is interesting.. as it is one of the most commonly used calibers in the US... 30-06, 308W, 300Win Mag, etc.. are a huge percentage of the ammo sold each year... that is when you could still buy ammo..

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I travel to the beat of a different drum I guess. I just like different calibres. I do have 2 308's and a 300SAUM, all are good shooters but get used the least.

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Not necessarily.. it's just that in the US the .30 caliber ranks very high as to popularity.. Probably much due to the 30-06 and then 300 Win Mag's introduction.. The 300WSM is more popular than the 7MM WSM as well.. the 7mm Rem. Mag took off like a rocket on it's initial offering and is still popular today..but not as much as the old 30 cals...

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The Classic.

I like mine, too.

Mid-50's '06.

Came w/ an old Weaver mount that flips over to the side so you can see the sights, along w/ a Weaver KV scope. I put a Leupold scope on it.



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Nice looking rifle Patagonhunter.

I have never liked the M70. Simply because of the fit,and lack of safety from escaping gas. Fit could be fixed and so could the bolt handle (looks only). However those I know who have them love them and most shoot well.

The 30-06 is a great cartridge case for making .270,35 Whelan, 338-06 etc. Tried one once and it did nothing my old 303 wouldn't do and did nothing for me. Yet I like the 308, go figure, I can't. Mind you 30 cal is the least used of my collection now. The old M94 in 30-30 used to get used a lot in my younger day.

Yes the M98's and M17/P14's have a slow lock time. The M70 sits between these and the Rem 700.

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SO, what am I missing???

I stopped by a local gun shop on my weekly route.. they had M98 sitting there on the shelf.. so, I grabbed it .. worked it a bit, looked at it.. as you state on the M70, it did nothing for me as well..

NOT trying to start a war on NE because I am not enamored by the M98 action.. merely want to to know what others are seeing that I am not..

Perhaps I am just a country hick that doesn't enjoy some of life's finer items..

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Im a Winchester M70 tragic, even like the post 64 push feeds!
Have owned and had good use of the Westerners, XTR's, featherweights, super express's, classics and extreme weathers
Also have some pre 64's a super grade in 7x57 , a featherweight in 264WM and a super grade 300 H&H on its way atm , looking forward to the 300's arrival.
Also have one unusual Winchester M70 in a 270 win manlicher style stocked push feed Only 476 made in 270 win.
Heres a few pics, cheers Mick
winchester M70 featherweight rebarell to 358 185 ACP 7m

extreme weather 325WSM

Winchester M70 270win mannlicher

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what was your experience with the Featherweight model? I see it was re-barrelled. The first batches of these rifles were IMO absolutely crap and inaccurate, as I reported in my post. Later Winchester picked up their game and improved them so they actually grouped.

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Nice looking rifle Patagonhunter.

I have never liked the M70. Simply because of the fit,and lack of safety from escaping gas. Fit could be fixed and so could the bolt handle (looks only). However those I know who have them love them and most shoot well.

The 30-06 is a great cartridge case for making .270,35 Whelan, 338-06 etc. Tried one once and it did nothing my old 303 wouldn't do and did nothing for me. Yet I like the 308, go figure, I can't. Mind you 30 cal is the least used of my collection now. The old M94 in 30-30 used to get used a lot in my younger day.

Yes the M98's and M17/P14's have a slow lock time. The M70 sits between these and the Rem 700.

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SO, what am I missing???

I stopped by a local gun shop on my weekly route.. they had M98 sitting there on the shelf.. so, I grabbed it .. worked it a bit, looked at it.. as you state on the M70, it did nothing for me as well..

NOT trying to start a war on NE because I am not enamored by the M98 action.. merely want to to know what others are seeing that I am not..

Perhaps I am just a country hick that doesn't enjoy some of life's finer items..

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Not missing anything. Took a long time for the M98 action-and its copies- to be liked by me. Just traveling to the beat of another drum.

A proper M98 is reliable but clunky to cycle when compared to a lot of modern actions. In military form it is heavier then needs be for a sporter.

I believe a lot of people are hoodwinked by some of the adulation written about the M98 that are simply not true. Most center around the CRF.

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The ones Ive owned (7x57's)were all ok the worst was a 223 @ about 1.5MOA Bedding fixed it.
Shop Had a couple come back as inaccurate so a range session organised One scope loose the other shot just over a inch Hard to shoot of bags, with the stock design. 3 shot groups. Factory ammo Barrel warms up pretty quick.
Most people got a bedding job done on them anyway
Mate has one in 243 which is very accurate.
I didn't expect them to shoot as good as a sporter , but bought them as a decent rifle for carrying around.
Thought about building one into a 338-06. About ideal for Aus.
Very nice looking and the 80's stock still feels better than the new featherweights.
The 358 win I have was built by previous owner I was looking too build and discussing his rifle, he asked if I was interested ! Havnt looked back 358 punches well above its weight and easy too load for and shoot. My favourite cal for pigs.
Don't know why Winchester don't offer it in a factory rifle.
I think Winchester were ahead of there time with the introduction of the 80's featherweights There wasn't anything else like them on the market at the time.
257 roberts featherweight on used guns ATM very tempting........................

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Thanks. I think the early batches were crap. Why? Don't know. They didn't shoot. I glass bedded mine, different scope, different mounts, shot 6 inch groups. Couldn't be improved. Different loads, same thing. Winchester flogged them off for $260 included steel mounts and huge 3-9x Weaver scope. I bought one, because I like the looks and it was cheap. Cheap for a reason. Was difficult to get it sold as so many had bought the very cheap discounted sales and by then they had that reputation.

Later Winchester cleaned up their act and improved the factory offerings. Otherwise none would have sold.

It is good yours all seemed to be reasonably successful.

I would have liked one in 7x57. A good cartridge choice for one, I think.

Thanks for your answer and comments.

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Nice looking rifle Patagonhunter.

I have never liked the M70. Simply because of the fit,and lack of safety from escaping gas. Fit could be fixed and so could the bolt handle (looks only). However those I know who have them love them and most shoot well.

The 30-06 is a great cartridge case for making .270,35 Whelan, 338-06 etc. Tried one once and it did nothing my old 303 wouldn't do and did nothing for me. Yet I like the 308, go figure, I can't. Mind you 30 cal is the least used of my collection now. The old M94 in 30-30 used to get used a lot in my younger day.

Yes the M98's and M17/P14's have a slow lock time. The M70 sits between these and the Rem 700.

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SO, what am I missing???

I stopped by a local gun shop on my weekly route.. they had M98 sitting there on the shelf.. so, I grabbed it .. worked it a bit, looked at it.. as you state on the M70, it did nothing for me as well..

NOT trying to start a war on NE because I am not enamored by the M98 action.. merely want to to know what others are seeing that I am not..

Perhaps I am just a country hick that doesn't enjoy some of life's finer items..

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Not missing anything. Took a long time for the M98 action-and its copies- to be liked by me. Just traveling to the beat of another drum.

A proper M98 is reliable but clunky to cycle when compared to a lot of modern actions. In military form it is heavier then needs be for a sporter.

I believe a lot of people are hoodwinked by some of the adulation written about the M98 that are simply not true. Most center around the CRF.

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Fooey. Some simply have no sense of taste and style. Good reliable and dependable is the answer.

While I have a Mauser M03 for DG hunting as well, that CRF stuff has some relevance. When a case do not eject because of an inadequate ejector, and the buffalo or elephant is bearing down on you, you will reject that modern pathetic rifle than cycles more smoothly. A reason I prefer a double rifle anyway.


The guys that harp on the internet endlessly about how ONLY A CRF is adequate, however, need to get off the armchair and into the field more often.

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Nice looking rifle Patagonhunter.

I have never liked the M70. Simply because of the fit,and lack of safety from escaping gas. Fit could be fixed and so could the bolt handle (looks only). However those I know who have them love them and most shoot well.

The 30-06 is a great cartridge case for making .270,35 Whelan, 338-06 etc. Tried one once and it did nothing my old 303 wouldn't do and did nothing for me. Yet I like the 308, go figure, I can't. Mind you 30 cal is the least used of my collection now. The old M94 in 30-30 used to get used a lot in my younger day.

Yes the M98's and M17/P14's have a slow lock time. The M70 sits between these and the Rem 700.

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SO, what am I missing???

I stopped by a local gun shop on my weekly route.. they had M98 sitting there on the shelf.. so, I grabbed it .. worked it a bit, looked at it.. as you state on the M70, it did nothing for me as well..

NOT trying to start a war on NE because I am not enamored by the M98 action.. merely want to to know what others are seeing that I am not..

Perhaps I am just a country hick that doesn't enjoy some of life's finer items..

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Not missing anything. Took a long time for the M98 action-and its copies- to be liked by me. Just traveling to the beat of another drum.

A proper M98 is reliable but clunky to cycle when compared to a lot of modern actions. In military form it is heavier then needs be for a sporter.

I believe a lot of people are hoodwinked by some of the adulation written about the M98 that are simply not true. Most center around the CRF.

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Fooey. Some simply have no sense of taste and style. Good reliable and dependable is the answer.

While I have a Mauser M03 for DG hunting as well, that CRF stuff has some relevance. When a case do not eject because of an inadequate ejector, and the buffalo or elephant is bearing down on you, you will reject that modern pathetic rifle than cycles more smoothly. A reason I prefer a double rifle anyway.


The guys that harp on the internet endlessly about how ONLY A CRF is adequate, however, need to get off the armchair and into the field more often.

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Not phooey at all. I have experienced every failure with a CFR M98 that is said to be impossible. Double feeding, failure to extract, dropping cartridge case into the action, failure to pick up cartridge, bolt jamming on forward and rearward cycle, you name it Ive had it or been with some one when they have had the failure. Reliable, No. Dependable, No. To be these things the M98 may need work to ensure it. When that is done then it is both. Most come that way but some do not or fail due to a lot of use.

Like I said a lot of hype is put out there by those who just plain do not know. Yes this includes many PH's because they have never seen a dud M98 or copy there of. For many years I thought those who depended on the M98 for their and others lives were idiots. Took a lot of years and a couple of very knowledgeable gents to show me why the M98's would have those failures.

So a good reliable M98 or clone to me makes the best choice of a bolt action for DG. A double is just as likely to fail as a bolt action. Nothing man makes is perfect.

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Nice looking rifle Patagonhunter.

I have never liked the M70. Simply because of the fit,and lack of safety from escaping gas. Fit could be fixed and so could the bolt handle (looks only). However those I know who have them love them and most shoot well.

The 30-06 is a great cartridge case for making .270,35 Whelan, 338-06 etc. Tried one once and it did nothing my old 303 wouldn't do and did nothing for me. Yet I like the 308, go figure, I can't. Mind you 30 cal is the least used of my collection now. The old M94 in 30-30 used to get used a lot in my younger day.

Yes the M98's and M17/P14's have a slow lock time. The M70 sits between these and the Rem 700.

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SO, what am I missing???

I stopped by a local gun shop on my weekly route.. they had M98 sitting there on the shelf.. so, I grabbed it .. worked it a bit, looked at it.. as you state on the M70, it did nothing for me as well..

NOT trying to start a war on NE because I am not enamored by the M98 action.. merely want to to know what others are seeing that I am not..

Perhaps I am just a country hick that doesn't enjoy some of life's finer items..

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Not missing anything. Took a long time for the M98 action-and its copies- to be liked by me. Just traveling to the beat of another drum.

A proper M98 is reliable but clunky to cycle when compared to a lot of modern actions. In military form it is heavier then needs be for a sporter.

I believe a lot of people are hoodwinked by some of the adulation written about the M98 that are simply not true. Most center around the CRF.

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Thank you for the explanation.. I would have responded sooner but was calving cows at the ranch..

And yes, clunky was the term that come to my mind as well..

As I stated, I have a custom in .416.. Mauser action.. don't care for it much nor do I use it.. guess I should just sell it to an unsuspecting victim, I mean buyer...

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