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Unusual Remington Model 30
      #348177 - 20/12/20 01:38 PM

I recently picked up a mysterious and interesting Remington Model 30 in .30-06 (post election trauma) and will post a few photos as soon as i can. In the meantime I am hoping one of the members might know something about the rifle.

The rifle is built on a standard early Remington 30 Express 24" barreled action. The Remington markings on the top and sides of the barrel (all standard) are the only markings in metal on the gun. The stock is a nicely shaped and checkered piece of dark walnut with cheekpiece, vintage solid red Nostoc recoil pad and horn forend. There is a high quality bolt peep sight attached - no brand markings anywhere on the sight. There is a vacant and tarnished gold oval on the underside of the buttstock. The rifle has a 7/8" diameter 2.75 power Leupold Alaskan mounted low and tight in high quality mounts (unmarked). There are sling swivels and a Whelen type sling, also unmarked. The most intriguing thing, though, is the pistol grip hard rubber cap which is marked "Parker Bros, Meriden, CT". Overall it's a pleasing looking 1930's rifle.

My preliminary take is that this is a Remington rifle restocked and customized by a pretty good gunsmith in the 1930's. (The Leupold Alaskan had to have been added later though as that scope was manufactured only in the year 1990 according to what I've read - perhaps the 7/8" mounts originally held a Lyman Alaskan or other scope) I haven't yet taken the gun apart so there may be other markings.

The Parker Bros thing is interesting. Parker Bros fell on hard times during the Great Depression and were acquired by Remington in 1934. I think this rifle might be the work of Remington or Parker Bros gunsmiths doing a little weekend freelance work in the manner of the Griffin and Howe "depression sporters". Or it could have been a Parker Bros rifle made for sale. But - I can find no evidence that Parker Bros ever made anything other than shotguns.

Many thanks for any information.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348196 - 20/12/20 11:23 PM

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The Remington markings on the top and sides of the barrel (all standard) are the only markings in metal on the gun.





You'll soon be inundated with a parade of posts to tell you that we need pictures, which would help. Without those, there is one question I can think to ask: Are there NO markings whatsoever on the receiver? Although I'm a long-time Enfield enthusiast, I've never actually held a 30 in my hands, oddly enough. My knowledge of the 30 is far from extensive. However, every picture I've ever seen shows Remington markings on the receiver. Any possibility that this is a well-built Enfield custom made using a Remington 30 barrel?


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: vykkagur]
      #348250 - 21/12/20 11:48 AM

Have you taken the stock off? Are there markings covered by the wood? Where is the serial number?

Yes pictures please. I was looking for Rem 30's for my wildcats but settled for the M17 actions- not that I am complaining.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: Rule303]
      #348251 - 21/12/20 11:58 AM

I'm standing by for photos

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348255 - 21/12/20 01:03 PM

Thanks for the responses.

I've uploaded 13 photos which I think should be accessible through the link below. If not please advise. The photos were taken with an iphone 6 and have not been cropped, edited etc. Not the best photos.

https://mystuff.bublup.com/mybublup/#/mystuff/001-f-0f24a58a-824f-4e6d-86cc-967bc35bed3b/mixed


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348256 - 21/12/20 01:09 PM

That link leads to a page asking for a login

Perhaps you need to make these images public

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348260 - 21/12/20 02:50 PM

It won't even let me get to the login page. It refuses to allow my browser and tells me to use a different one. The nerve!

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: vykkagur]
      #348273 - 21/12/20 11:54 PM

I've tried copying shareable links for the individual photos. Let's see if that works.



https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-9dec9d9a-daff-49e0-af78-e4acc8b61a28


https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-2f57ac1b-7f97-4eab-bad2-c085c10b4f2d




https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-6a3623a2-ee9e-474b-951e-4880876a83f9




https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-41781e01-2c71-46bb-b710-0108292ceae7




https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-6f717dbb-7089-4966-bc82-679ca3414d41




https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-59e2c463-e7e6-406c-bc81-eedeab5e19be




https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-ad604700-39c3-495e-8907-7ce327d16a01
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-9fd2917a-f9c4-4265-b8c4-563a4143caa5
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-0d180cd0-dca3-4464-9c0b-414a8903a148
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-67230c0c-82f4-4317-b93c-7296cb9cefcb
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-8986ff89-80f9-458b-aa9f-031f08725fa5
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-64bb8707-c725-49b5-a80a-7b6fc74982f3





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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348279 - 22/12/20 01:21 AM

Nice rifle. What is attached to the rear ring. Is that a case extraction aid?

https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-2f57ac1b-7f97-4eab-bad2-c085c10b4f2d

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: jgrabow]
      #348280 - 22/12/20 01:28 AM

Hi jgrabow

I don't know what that is - it was one of the questions I hoped would be answered. How does a case extraction ring work?

Also, you'll notice a little chunk of wood missing behind the safety. It appears to have been partly covered with epoxy. I may try to repair this myself (carefully) with a walnut scrap.

It looks like someone bedded the barrel as there are little bits of epoxy visible in places. I haven't taken the rifle apart yet.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348285 - 22/12/20 03:59 AM

That device on the right side of the rear ring, appears to have a little nubbin that assists in preventing inadvertent bolt opening.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348298 - 22/12/20 09:24 AM

Quote:

I've tried copying shareable links for the individual photos. Let's see if that works.


https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-9dec9d9a-daff-49e0-af78-e4acc8b61a28
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-2f57ac1b-7f97-4eab-bad2-c085c10b4f2d
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-6a3623a2-ee9e-474b-951e-4880876a83f9
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-41781e01-2c71-46bb-b710-0108292ceae7
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-6f717dbb-7089-4966-bc82-679ca3414d41
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-59e2c463-e7e6-406c-bc81-eedeab5e19be
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-ad604700-39c3-495e-8907-7ce327d16a01
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-9fd2917a-f9c4-4265-b8c4-563a4143caa5
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-0d180cd0-dca3-4464-9c0b-414a8903a148
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-67230c0c-82f4-4317-b93c-7296cb9cefcb
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-8986ff89-80f9-458b-aa9f-031f08725fa5
https://mystuff.bublup.com/ui/landing_page?item_id=001-i-64bb8707-c725-49b5-a80a-7b6fc74982f3





Appreciate the effort, but anything from "bublup.com" cannot be accessed from my computer, it seems. But thanks anyway. I'll leave it to the many capable minds already on the case.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: vykkagur]
      #348304 - 22/12/20 11:41 AM

Sorry about that vykkagur. Maybe one of the IT savvy folks on the forum can do something with the photos. The only time I ever even think about uploading photos is every two or three years when I need to upload a gun photo for this forum. I tried using my old photobucket account but that didn't work, so I did a search for free photo uploads and this thing is what "bubbled up".

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: DarylS]
      #348305 - 22/12/20 12:09 PM

Quote:

That device on the right side of the rear ring, appears to have a little nubbin that assists in preventing inadvertent bolt opening.




That's what I thought - or maybe just to hold the bolt a little more snugly? It seems unnecessary and I have not seen one on any other rifle. Maybe it's a clue to the maker's identity - something lying around the shop at Remington/Parker? Too bad Michael Petrov is no longer with us.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348306 - 22/12/20 01:33 PM

Quote:

Sorry about that vykkagur. Maybe one of the IT savvy folks on the forum can do something with the photos...






I'm guessing that this bubble up app will die in a ditch very soon.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348307 - 22/12/20 01:35 PM



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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348308 - 22/12/20 01:54 PM

Tinker many thanks for the assist.

As for this rifle, I don't discount the possibility that it may be the work of a hobbyist - either originally or by way of later modifications.

The tapering of the forend doesn't seem very 1930's and even reminds me of some David Lloyd rifles.

I'll take it apart this weekend and see if I can find anything useful.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348309 - 22/12/20 02:06 PM

You are welcome



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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348310 - 22/12/20 02:07 PM

Is there a trade mark on that front sight?

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348311 - 22/12/20 02:11 PM



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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #348326 - 22/12/20 11:42 PM

Its a pity someone with lots of money and style does not buy Parker Bros and establish an "English style" shotgun, double rifle and bolt action brand and make of great class.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: NitroX]
      #348328 - 22/12/20 11:50 PM

Wonderful old rifle you have there mckinney!
I love those old "Enfield" sporters, the Remington 30 I believe was the best in that you didn't have to modify a p14 or M17 to have that huge action to play with in whatever calibre that you preferred to rebarrel to.
Lucky bugger, but no I'd keep this one as is, it would be a crime to redo this old girl now.
Absolutely wonderful to see one in frankly very good nick - very jealous indeed!
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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #348348 - 23/12/20 05:02 AM

My old hunting buddy Keith, loves the P14's and model 1917 actions. Both his 6.5x68S and 8x68S Magnum chamberings on on these rifle actions, as well as a .303 chambering with a .308" groove diameter barrel, for shooting 220gr. Hornadys.
(PS) that rifle loves 150gr. Hornady Interbonds @ 2,750fps - of all things.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: DarylS]
      #348392 - 24/12/20 12:22 AM

Tinker

Unfortunately no markings at all on the front sight or the bolt peep sight. There is a mark like the letter "T" on the front scope mount base.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #348393 - 24/12/20 12:32 AM

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Wonderful old rifle you have there mckinney!
I love those old "Enfield" sporters, the Remington 30 I believe was the best in that you didn't have to modify a p14 or M17 to have that huge action to play with in whatever calibre that you preferred to rebarrel to.
Lucky bugger, but no I'd keep this one as is, it would be a crime to redo this old girl now.
Absolutely wonderful to see one in frankly very good nick - very jealous indeed!
Cheers




many thanks 9.3

I also love these old rifles, including the factory Remington 30 and 30-S. (Still searching for a 30-S in .35 Remington:)

I agree about not redoing it. I've finally come around to the view that redoing these old rifles is almost never a good idea (after having had a few professionally redone). I'd like to get that missing chip of wood around the tang/safety repaired though.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348396 - 24/12/20 02:22 AM

The Parker grip cap is an interesting touch. I shoot Parkers, but none have pistol grips:


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348399 - 24/12/20 04:03 AM

Quote:

Tinker many thanks for the assist.

As for this rifle, I don't discount the possibility that it may be the work of a hobbyist - either originally or by way of later modifications.

The tapering of the forend doesn't seem very 1930's and even reminds me of some David Lloyd rifles.

I'll take it apart this weekend and see if I can find anything useful.





Yes, thank you Tinker from me also. Glad I didn't miss this opportunity. This is an interesting rifle. And up front, congratulations to you, mckinney, on the bolt-mounted peep, a valuable item these days. I'm well-known as being a fan of these, but I've never actually seen one mounted on any model of Enfield. Great catch - wish I had about five of them for mine.

While you're taking photos this weekend, try to angle the camera in under the scope from both sides to get as much of the top of the receiver ring as possible.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #348862 - 05/01/21 12:40 PM

At one time I had a Remington Model 30 such as yours. It was all original. Looking at the pictures you posted I am led to assume your rifle was re-stocked at some time. By the quality of the stock I would believe it would have been done by one of the premier gunsmiths of America. During this time further work installing the Stith scope mounts, scope and the Pacific peep sight was done.

I do not know if Parker did custom work. I know they were a top tier maker of shotguns. Griffith and Howe make some high quality sporting rifles. They could have done the work.

Your rifle is exceptional.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #349389 - 18/01/21 06:50 AM

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That device is very interesting and appears to be meant to hold the bolt closed when the rifle is cocked and the safety off.
Which can be a help when stalking close to game. American gunsmith Barney Worthen built sporterized 1903 Springfield rifles in the early 1900 and he added a spring loaded detent in the front of the rear safety lug that snapped into the back of the extractor. It did the same thing.
And a few of the last Mauser sporters had a detent powered by the trigger spring that protruded through the bottom of the action and fit a notch in the rear safety lug that also held the bolt closed

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #349398 - 18/01/21 10:09 AM

Nice rifle.
Looks like a gunsmiths project. The Parker grip cap just a nice fit and touch. Parker never made any rifles AFAIK,,except for CW muskets. I'd think if it was a Parker/Remington factory job at least they'd have used a Parker grip cap screw.

The need for the bolt hold down I don't get.
Maybe the owner/builder had a bad experience with the rifle or another in the past and saw a need.
Some rifles have them like the commercial Mannlicher Shoenauer.




I like the Remington Model 30.
I picked up a 30s Express in 30-06 about a year and a half ago at a show for $250.
It sat there with no interest with a price tag of $300. The dealer thru the $250 price at me as soon as I asked to look at it.
Great condition, Lyman 48. The front ring and bbl had target scope blocks mounted. No scope. Story was the deceased owner was shooting 'long distance' (what ever that was).
I removed the bases and plugged the holes.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: 2152hq]
      #349401 - 18/01/21 11:48 AM

I agree that the grip cap and the additional bolt lock are probably add ons But the fact that Mauser and a couple other custom builders saw fit to include them is an indication some folks considered them important.

A few years back Nikki Atcheson got hammered by a Cape buffalo that charged and her bolt had been slightly bumped up out of battery and she couldn't get her shot off!

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: 2152hq]
      #349417 - 19/01/21 03:07 AM

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I like the Remington Model 30.
I picked up a 30s Express in 30-06 about a year and a half ago at a show for $250.
It sat there with no interest with a price tag of $300. The dealer thru the $250 price at me as soon as I asked to look at it.
Great condition, Lyman 48. The front ring and bbl had target scope blocks mounted. No scope. Story was the deceased owner was shooting 'long distance' (what ever that was).
I removed the bases and plugged the holes.





The Lyman 48 alone was worth almost that.

As for the bolt detent, it's clearly an add-on. Possibly they were even available as an aftermarket bolt-on, since it's fastened by the peep sight mounting holes. I've often wondered if those holes were factory, since just about every photo of every Remington 30 I recall seeing had those same two holes.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: vykkagur]
      #349517 - 21/01/21 02:05 PM

Thanks for the comments guys. I thought this thread had died until I saw the most recent comment.

I did try to take the rifle out of the stock. However it is in there very tight and I was afraid to use the force required. Will try again when I have access to a proper vise. I looked the rifle, scope mounts, and peep sight over again for markings and found nothing new.

I sent a few pics of the rifle to George Caswell in the hope that he might know something. No response yet. There may be a Remington guru out there somewhere who knows.

I agree that it looks like a gunsmith project but the stock work does not look like G&H to me. Early G&H rifles usually have a pancake cheekpiece and later ones are of an entirely different shape. There is a gorgeous 30-S by G&H under 'sold items' on Mike Schwandt's website (schwandtclassicarms.com) which shows the later stock style. Well worth a look just to see the rifle. There is also a beautiful Niedner Springfield with a bolt peep made by E.H. Stahl on Mike's site. I don't believe the peep on my rifle is a Stahl.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #349524 - 21/01/21 03:19 PM

No need to shut this conversation down!

That rifle is too cool to sweep under the rug of daily posts.

Keep us updated on whatever you learn about it.

Also I'm waiting for a field report.
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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: tinker]
      #349536 - 21/01/21 10:25 PM

Quote:

No need to shut this conversation down!

That rifle is too cool to sweep under the rug of daily posts.

Keep us updated on whatever you learn about it.

Also I'm waiting for a field report.
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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #349546 - 22/01/21 05:06 AM

I'm reading it.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: DarylS]
      #349565 - 22/01/21 07:35 PM

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I'm reading it.




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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: vykkagur]
      #349569 - 22/01/21 09:57 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I'm reading it.




Me three, me three!




Add me to the list, No4.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: Rule303]
      #353961 - 02/06/21 03:30 PM

Ever get the barreled action out of the stock?

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: Cougarz]
      #353963 - 02/06/21 07:15 PM

Yep, still interested here.

I have done a little thinking about this. As Remington made M17 as did their subsidiary Eddystone and Rem, as far as I know were the only ones to make the Model 30,I would think the rifle is a Remington. Otherwise it is a very good copy and could have been a Winchester or one of the other 2. I was hoping the gunsmith/company that did additional work would have left the Serial No. intact if not the manufactures name. I also would have thought the gunsmith/company would of had their name on it somewhere to be seen.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: DesertDrifter]
      #353969 - 03/06/21 01:19 AM

The scope mount on your rifle is by Tilden, the same company which made the "starboard side" conversion for the pre-War Model 70 rifles. It is a quality product.

If I recall correctly, the late production Model 30 Express rifles were made cock on opening, rather than retaining the cock on closing feature of the P-14/M1917 Enfields. Does your rifle cock on opening?

The stock features appear European to me and remind me of features I have experienced on pre-War commercial Mauser sporters, including the cheek piece and the length of the fore end. I have such a Mauser, with both features.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: Cougarz]
      #354702 - 29/06/21 12:08 PM

Cougarz

Never did get it out of the stock. There is epoxy (or finish) in all the gaps. I tried to gently cut it with a thin flexible razor blade but the stuff was stronger than the blade. Will try again with a stiffer blade but it's a tedious job.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #354703 - 29/06/21 12:54 PM

Set it up and heat the metal gently and slowly with a heat gun or lamp to soften and tap it out. Similar to stuck glass bedding. You run the risk of scratching the metal with a blade.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: xausa]
      #354704 - 29/06/21 01:26 PM

Xausa

Thanks for the information on the scope mount.

I agree the features of the rifle do look somewhat European.

Very nice collection of Mauser photos by the way. I particularly like the well worn ones.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #354729 - 30/06/21 11:04 AM

I think XAUSA is on the right track. The add-on retainer in front of the bolt handle may have something to do with the cock-on-closing feature found on the standard P14/1917 Enfields. IIRC, converting the action to cock-on-opening was a common conversion done to customized Enfield sporters.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: FlatTop45]
      #354746 - 01/07/21 12:29 PM

The thing I don't understand about the bolt retainer (if that's what it is) is that the bolts on these rifles are hard enough to get out when you're trying to get them out. The release is very stiff and the end is sharp enough to pinch your finger if you're not careful. I can't imagine the bolt falling out in the field.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: prairie_ghost]
      #354760 - 02/07/21 12:02 AM

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Set it up and heat the metal gently and slowly with a heat gun or lamp to soften and tap it out. Similar to stuck glass bedding. You run the risk of scratching the metal with a blade.




Alternative method, put the gun in a freezer over night...take it apart while cold.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: mckinney]
      #354779 - 02/07/21 06:24 AM

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The thing I don't understand about the bolt retainer (if that's what it is) is that the bolts on these rifles are hard enough to get out when you're trying to get them out. The release is very stiff and the end is sharp enough to pinch your finger if you're not careful. I can't imagine the bolt falling out in the field.




I don't think it is there to retain the bolt in the action, rather to keep the bolt closed so the bolt handle does not lift while being carried.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: DoubleD]
      #354804 - 03/07/21 06:56 AM

I tried the heat method, but no success with a regular hair dryer. There are too many points of adhesion and the dryer is not hot enough.

I have a heating device made to soften house paint for removal before applying linseed oil paint. However, it is hot enough to make paint blister and bubble after 15-30 seconds so it would probably melt the finish on the gun.

I had never heard of the freezing method, but will try it. It'll be a zero degrees F freezer though as that is the only thing I have large enough to hold it.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: 458Win]
      #354825 - 03/07/21 11:45 PM

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That device is very interesting and appears to be meant to hold the bolt closed when the rifle is cocked and the safety off.
Which can be a help when stalking close to game. American gunsmith Barney Worthen built sporterized 1903 Springfield rifles in the early 1900 and he added a spring loaded detent in the front of the rear safety lug that snapped into the back of the extractor. It did the same thing.
And a few of the last Mauser sporters had a detent powered by the trigger spring that protruded through the bottom of the action and fit a notch in the rear safety lug that also held the bolt closed




Just saw this thread.....

I'll add a specific reason to .458's comment here...

The owner may have been a Lefty.

As one myself I have had some bad experiences with Mauser bolts catching on my coat edge where the buttons are and ever-so-slightly...or completely...opening the bolt while covering steep and uneven ground or working my way thru brush or just walking about. VERY frustrating and in fact I had a plan to do this very thing {not exactly, but same concept} on a favored rifle some years ago.

The problem is the rifle when carried close to the body places the bolt handle against the torso and any gear/clothing there can snag the handle and if the rifle is then lowered, voila! There is no real resistance so you don't even notice it.

So anyway, the little gizmo looks like just the ticket for stalling this type of a malfunction.

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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: 9.3x57]
      #354852 - 04/07/21 07:42 PM

Such a bolt hold-down spring is neither unique nor novel for the 1920s. If the bolt handle of a cock-on -closing bolt action is inadvertently raised, the bolt will jump open and eject the loaded cartridge.
To prevent this, gunmakers sometimes added similar devices to such actions. Here is a photo of a very early cock on closing Mauser 97 transitional action, Mauser commercial serial number 17, used by Sauer & Sohn to build an early sporter, with such a spring added.

I know two such early S&S Mausers, both with such devices added on.
All commercial production Mannlicher-Schoenauers have a flt spring built into the right side of the receiver bridge, serving the same purpose.

BTW, this spring distinguishes commercial production M-S actions from the military production M1903 actions.


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Re: Unusual Remington Model 30 [Re: kuduae]
      #354891 - 05/07/21 09:10 AM

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Such a bolt hold-down spring is neither unique nor novel for the 1920s. If the bolt handle of a cock-on -closing bolt action is inadvertently raised, the bolt will jump open and eject the loaded cartridge.
To prevent this, gunmakers sometimes added similar devices to such actions. Here is a photo of a very early cock on closing Mauser 97 transitional action, Mauser commercial serial number 17, used by Sauer & Sohn to build an early sporter, with such a spring added.

I know two such early S&S Mausers, both with such devices added on.
All commercial production Mannlicher-Schoenauers have a flt spring built into the right side of the receiver bridge, serving the same purpose.

BTW, this spring distinguishes commercial production M-S actions from the military production M1903 actions.




Those are very interesting.

I can attest to the need. My son once had a problem {he shoots lefty, too by the way} with a tang safety Ruger 7x57 M77. Brought the rifle up to shoot an elk and it went "Thud". Bolt had opened just enough to disengage the action so the rifle would not fire. He didn't notice it before he pulled the trigger. So yeah, it's a thing and it can happen.

I'd be curious to know just how many other lefties have experienced this problem?

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