Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact
NitroExpress.com: something other than a 3006

View recent messages : 24 hours | 48 hours | 7 days | 14 days | 30 days | 60 days | More Smilies


*** Enjoy NitroExpress.com? Participate and join in. ***

Shooting & Reloading - Mausers, Big Bores and others >> Rifles

Pages: 1
ducmarc
.400 member


Reged: 14/07/14
Posts: 1053
Loc: fla
something other than a 3006
      #321385 - 09/11/18 01:12 PM

i have 6 or seven 3006's and one in particular is a nice workin mans FN. i thought about rebarreling it but wanted a little advice. what caliber could i rechamber to in a standard length mauser. it has a really nice barrel insde. thought about 300 norma magnum. love something european or not too modern. remington and winchester make me yawn...

--------------------
'killed by death' Lemmy.. ' boil the dog ' Elvis Manywounds "my best friend is my magnum forty four" hank willams the third.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
xausa
.400 member


Reged: 07/03/07
Posts: 1871
Loc: Tennessee, USA
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: ducmarc]
      #321389 - 09/11/18 02:18 PM

At the risk of making you yawn, might I suggest the .30/.338 Winchester. Practically identical with the .308 Norma and brass readily available as is loading equipment. Norma brass can be quite expensive in addition to being rather soft and low on reloading life. I have a Ruger 77 which I had rebored and rechambered from 7mm Remington Magnum to .358 Norma Magnum, and all my brass has been reformed 7mm Remington Magnum.

Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
NitroXAdministrator
.700 member


Reged: 25/12/02
Posts: 27989
Loc: Barossa Valley, South Australi...
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: xausa]
      #321391 - 09/11/18 05:48 PM

.318 Westley Richards. Basically a .330/.30-06, the forerunner of the .338 Win Mag and .338/06. something older and vintage. Afterall you don;t want another .30-06.

Convert .30-06 brass or brass from Bertram. ProjecTiles from Bertram and Woodleiogh.

--------------------
John aka NitroX

...
"I love the smell of cordite in the morning."
"A Sharp spear needs no polish"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Waidmannsheil
.400 member


Reged: 19/04/13
Posts: 1440
Loc: Melbourne Australia
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: NitroX]
      #321394 - 09/11/18 10:24 PM

I think he is trying to find a different interesting cartridge to chamber while retaining the 30 caliber barrel.

Matt.

--------------------
There is nothing wrong with vegetarian food, so long as there is meat with it.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
PatagonHunter
.300 member


Reged: 20/01/06
Posts: 129
Loc: Bariloche, Patagonia Argentina
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #321397 - 10/11/18 01:32 AM

Hi ducmarc,

I understand you are after what Waidmannsheil said...

If you want to use the barrel bore, .30", but to change the cartridge, I think the logical and most practical choises would be the .300 Win Mag. The second, if you reload, the 30-338 or directly the 308 Norma. I like their cases design a lot more than the .300 Win Mag. And you can use the 338 Win or, directly, the .300 Win Mag cases to form the 30-338/308 Norma Mag, very easy.
Any of these implies, other than the barrel re-chambering, some work on the action and, of course, the bolt face.
The .300 Win Mag would be, anyway, the most practical and cheapest to shoot. Is the universal .300 Magnum!!

Good luck!

PH


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Daryl_S
.577 member


Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 18162
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: ducmarc]
      #321401 - 10/11/18 05:17 AM

Quote:

i have 6 or seven 3006's and one in particular is a nice workin mans FN. i thought about rebarreling it but wanted a little advice. what caliber could i rechamber to in a standard length mauser. it has a really nice barrel insde. thought about 300 norma magnum. love something european or not too modern. remington and winchester make me yawn...




Seems to me the .308 Norma would be the classic re-chamber.

I made up a .30/.388 some time back, then re-chambered that to .300 Win. Mag. It was a great shooter on an Old Model (30Rem.) 1917 '06.

An even more interesting ctg. would be an 8x68S necked to .30.

I think that is the .30 Bayer or .30 Bauer - set a new WR at 1000yards a while back, at 1 7/8" for 5 shots. That of course has been beaten twice - down to around 1 3/8" now - still the same round, I think, with 180gr., or maybe a 187gr. FB match bullet.

I might have some of the details wrong, however a .30 on the 8x68S case would be an interesting round.

--------------------
Daryl


"a rifle without hammers, is like a Spaniel without ears" Edward VII


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
szihn
.400 member


Reged: 24/06/07
Posts: 1509
Loc: Wind River Valley, Wyoming
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #321403 - 10/11/18 07:21 AM

338-06
9.3X62

Or if you don't mind doing some bolt face, extractor and feed lip work, 308 Norma. or maybe a 30/338


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Waidmannsheil
.400 member


Reged: 19/04/13
Posts: 1440
Loc: Melbourne Australia
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: szihn]
      #321404 - 10/11/18 07:28 AM

Or the 300 H&H, which would be my choice.

Matt.

--------------------
There is nothing wrong with vegetarian food, so long as there is meat with it.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Sarg
.400 member


Reged: 20/01/07
Posts: 1180
Loc: New Zealand Australia South A...
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: szihn]
      #321411 - 10/11/18 09:04 AM

Quote:

338-06
9.3X62

Or if you don't mind doing some bolt face, extractor and feed lip work, 308 Norma. or maybe a 30/338




A couple of my favorites to be used on ever thing !

The .308 Norma is a goodie to but to make live easy I would just go .300 Win mag if I wanted a Magnum .

--------------------
No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making other bastards die for their country.

- General George S. Patton


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Yochanan
.375 member


Reged: 26/01/03
Posts: 798
Loc: Volksdiktatur Schweden
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: Sarg]
      #321414 - 10/11/18 11:15 AM

Using the same action with minimal alterations I would say 6,5x64 Brenneke (read 6,5-06), brass can be made from 270 win cases.

Going for another 30 like a magnum will be costly since you need to alter bolt face, feed lips, new magazine/ follower and so. You can use the existing magazine unit but it will not be in correct size according to "Mausers design" Also make sure to have the actions hardness checked if you want a magnum of some soft.

7x64 Brenneke is also a nice cartridge.

--------------------
© "I have never been able to appreciate 'shock' as applied to killing big game. It seems to me that you cannot kill an elephant weighing six tons by ´shock´unless you advocate the use of a field gun." - W.D.M. Bell: Wanderings of an Elephant Hunter.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
ducmarc
.400 member


Reged: 14/07/14
Posts: 1053
Loc: fla
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: Yochanan]
      #321471 - 12/11/18 12:14 PM

will a 300 h&h fit. i understand about the bolt face . i think i still have a set of dies.
30X68 sounnds interesting

--------------------
'killed by death' Lemmy.. ' boil the dog ' Elvis Manywounds "my best friend is my magnum forty four" hank willams the third.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Homer
.400 member


Reged: 07/04/09
Posts: 2315
Loc: Canberra, Australia
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: szihn]
      #321472 - 12/11/18 12:42 PM

Quote:

338-06
9.3X62

Or if you don't mind doing some bolt face, extractor and feed lip work, 308 Norma. or maybe a 30/338




G'Day Fella's,

Ducmarc, maybe as Szihn suggest's?

FYI, I plan to rebarrel and restock my .338-06, to a 9.3x62, as soon as I can get all the bits together.

Hope that helps

D'oh!
Homer

--------------------
"Beware the Lolly Pop of Mediocrity,
Lick it Once and You Will Suck Forever"


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Daryl_S
.577 member


Reged: 10/08/05
Posts: 18162
Loc: Beautiful British Columbia, Ca...
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: ducmarc]
      #321481 - 12/11/18 03:52 PM

.300H&H will require removal of lug metal, seems to me. I would not go that way.

The .30 x 68mm would fit in the action with the good barrel & give you about the same capacity as the standard .375H&H. In performance, it should be about the same as the .300 WTBY & sort of your own case, rimless .300 WTBY.

Hell of a performer.

Not only that, if you wanted, you could turn the belts on mag cases down to .324" neck, trim to length and fire form - done
or you could use 6.5x68 or 8x68 RWS brass.

--------------------
Daryl


"a rifle without hammers, is like a Spaniel without ears" Edward VII


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
szihn
.400 member


Reged: 24/06/07
Posts: 1509
Loc: Wind River Valley, Wyoming
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: Daryl_S]
      #321523 - 14/11/18 04:06 AM

Daryl is correct in the removal of lower lug metal, but I must point out that was how almost all 300H&Hs were made from the 20s to the 70s. Holland and Holland themselves, the inventors of the round did it that way on many guns. My own is made that way too. It's not a problem if the owner is not an idiot and if the gunsmithing is done correctly. The best way to make an H&H is to start with a magnum length action, but I am betting 75% of all that were ever made were not made on Magnum length actions.

The best way to make one on a GEW length Mauser is to move the back end of the mag box rearward as far as you can by milling out the rear end of the receiver to allow it. You can gain about .110" to the rear doing that. You must make a new "back end" but that's pretty easy.
Then you make a new front for the mag box so it's about .90" longer. Fit it to the receiver, scribe a line around the bottom flat of that receiver and mill or die-grind it away to re-form the feed ramp. The last thing to do is to lap the lugs back to the point the 3rd "safety lug" becomes a locking lug.

The lower front lug on the Mauser is the strongest of the 2 front ones, because it's not split for the ejector. But cutting back the lower lug area reduces that metal for the solid lug to lock against. The upper lug locks into solid and super strong metal, but the lug itself is a bit weaker because it's split.
But,,,,,,,, that 3rd lug, when it is made to lock is sold and locks into solid and very well supported metal. hence the reason for making M-98 into 3 lug systems when you can.

That how I have done it many time. All the action work including the lapping and the heat-treatment needs to be done before the barrel is installed. That way you set the headspace correctly after you set the bolt back to bring the 3rd lug into solid contact.

A 98 set up that was is EXTREMAL strong. Stronger in fact then the M700 Remington, M70 Winchester or Ruger M77, if the metal of the 98 is of equal of higher quality then the Remington, Ruger or Winchester. That is the reason I prefer the case-hardening approach to this work.
You can't always know what steel you have with old Mausers, but ALL of them are good enough for case-hardening and all of them are very strong when it's done right. The 91, 93, 94, 95, and 96 actions are all 2 lug actions, just like all the Remington 700s, M70 Winchesters Savage 110s Howas, Mossbergs and Ruger M77s. The 98 is the only one that is a 3 lug locking system of that bunch, if you must set it up that way or the 3rd lug will not lock anything.

Edited by szihn (14/11/18 04:08 AM)


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
93x64mm
.400 member


Reged: 07/12/11
Posts: 1353
Loc: Nth QLD Australia
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: xausa]
      #321535 - 14/11/18 07:31 AM

Quote:

At the risk of making you yawn, might I suggest the .30/.338 Winchester. Practically identical with the .308 Norma and brass readily available as is loading equipment. Norma brass can be quite expensive in addition to being rather soft and low on reloading life. I have a Ruger 77 which I had rebored and rechambered from 7mm Remington Magnum to .358 Norma Magnum, and all my brass has been reformed 7mm Remington Magnum.




I've had my .308Norma Mag for over 35 years, true it doesn't get shot all that often, but Norma brass has never been 'soft', expensive yes it is - but of exceptionally good quality!
After at least a dozen reloads I have annealed the original brass & its back in action again.
Can't go wrong with this cartridge mate!


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Ash
.400 member


Reged: 10/05/11
Posts: 1477
Loc: QLd, Australia
Re: something other than a 3006 [Re: 93x64mm]
      #321543 - 14/11/18 07:07 PM

Another option is a wildcat but get the 375 Ruger and neck it down to .30. Should be ballistically equal to the .300 H&H but without having to lengthen the action.

--------------------
.


Post Extras: Print Post   Remind Me!   Notify Moderator  
Pages: 1



Extra information
1 registered and 15 anonymous users are browsing this forum.

Moderator:   

Print Topic

Forum Permissions
      You cannot start new topics
      You cannot reply to topics
      HTML is disabled
      UBBCode is enabled

Rating:
Topic views: 298

Rate this topic

Jump to

Contact Us NitroExpress.com

Powered by UBB.threads™ 6.5.5


Home | Ezine | Forums | Links | Contact


Copyright 2003 to 2011 - all rights reserved