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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: szihn]
      #309484 - 25/12/17 08:30 PM

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Wow! 3 pages.

It occurred to me (after the fact) that all the answers would have been (and maybe should have been) covered in 4 words.



"OK,--------- Don't use it".




Now that is a perfect example of clear thinking.


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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: szihn]
      #309494 - 26/12/17 11:56 AM

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Write the 375 article, you will be lucky to get one negative response........." the 270 Winchester, surely no one can sucessfully argue that there is nothing more American than that!!!!!!!, why the very word Winchester with which it is joined at the hip is about American as the Model T Ford....................... a " classic "???, don't think so.
My last word. Ive been around hunting and rifles for over 45 years. I have many established many freinds , acquaintances , and meet many, many people of a like mind from all over this planet.
None of them I know uses a 270, let alone ownes one, and if they do, its more likely tucked away in a corner somewhere, hopefully never to see the light of day again.
Lets say you put two quality, identical rifles on UG for sale. One is a 270 Win, the other is a 7x64. In Australia, and NZ, ill wager that in 2017 the 7x64 will draw more enquiry than the 270....Ive proved it many times. Ask your local gunshot how many 270s he has sold lately......not many Ill bet.

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: paradox_]
      #309499 - 26/12/17 02:36 PM

"Ask your local gunshot how many 270s he has sold lately......not many Ill bet. "

Wow, you'd be wrong there. I do gunsmithing for a few shops in central Wyoming and I know what's selling here. The 270 is the 3rd or 4th most popular big game round sold in all the gun shops and also in the local Walmart.

In center rifle rifle ammo 223 is #1, but by far most of it's not used for hunting big game.

#2 is 308 followed very closely by 30-06 and the 270 Winchester is #4.

So for hunting of Deer and larger game, in Wyoming at least, the 270 is in the #3 place and in overall sales of center fire ammo it's #4.

Gun sales are slightly different.
223 is still the #1 seller. Mostly AR15s and a few other military style rifle.

#2 is the 30-06 and #3 is the 270.

#4 is the 308, but again many of these rifles are military style auto loaders (20 and 25 round magazines) which is when those rifles are being fired a lot more then the 30-06 and 270 bolt actions.

So ammo sales do not reflect gun sales exactly, but they are fairly close.

Edited by szihn (26/12/17 02:57 PM)


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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: szihn]
      #309518 - 27/12/17 06:44 AM

Ammo sales/caliber info from various sites..

Personally, I feel the ammo shot/sold as of the last few years will change the overall sales numbers but perhaps not..as most participating in the PRS disciplines are mostly reloading vs purchasing factory ammo..and they are using 6 or 6.5 calibers more than all the others put together ..will do some more checking..see more recent info here regarding calibers used in competition for long range shooting..

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2017/02/16/long-range-calibers-cartridges-what-the-pros-use/


A bit outdated info..newest info is 2015 I believe..

http://www.chuckhawks.com/best_selling_rifle_cartridges.htm

https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2015/12/20/america-s-most-wanted-ammunition/

http://www.wideopenspaces.com/what_is_the_best_caliber_for_north_american_big_game/

http://www.wideopenspaces.com/what_is_the_best_caliber_for_north_american_big_game/

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Ripp]
      #309534 - 27/12/17 12:01 PM

szihn

Thank you, as I said earlier its " popularity" is essentially an American thing....and yep Walmart is where the 270 belongs, if it must belong anywhere

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: paradox_]
      #309535 - 27/12/17 12:27 PM

Ripp is 100% correct in his guess that most competitive shooters in the USA load their own rifle ammo. Small bore and some Military match shooters are the exceptions. In some Mil-Matches you have to shoot the ammo you are issued.

As far as this goes------------"Thank you, as I said earlier its " popularity" is essentially an American thing"

I'd agree! As I'd expect it to be.

The USA has the largest number of privately owned guns of any country in the world so it follows the most real rifle-men would be here too.

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: paradox_]
      #309536 - 27/12/17 12:31 PM

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szihn

Thank you, as I said earlier its " popularity" is essentially an American thing....and yep Walmart is where the 270 belongs, if it must belong anywhere




I tend to disagree. 270 calibre belongs where ever rifle are sold. Cheap arse rifles of any calibre belong in Walmart.


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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Rule303]
      #309540 - 27/12/17 01:38 PM

Cocaine is popular too in the US......doesnt make a good thing!!

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: paradox_]
      #309542 - 27/12/17 02:18 PM

Before we lean into nation-baiting re: rifles I think it's fair to state that we ought to drop the matter. Forums all over the web go dead due to spurious information and rude comments. In the end, it's an argument over a bit of recycled car battery, some brass, and a measuring tape.

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: paradox_]
      #309549 - 27/12/17 06:51 PM

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the 270 Winchester, there is nothing more American than that!!!!!!!




I beg to differ... .


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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Dogfish858]
      #309559 - 28/12/17 01:23 AM

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Before we lean into nation-baiting re: rifles I think it's fair to state that we ought to drop the matter. Forums all over the web go dead due to spurious information and rude comments. In the end, it's an argument over a bit of recycled car battery, some brass, and a measuring tape.




Agreed...this was posted to spur discussion and thoughts..no need for anyone to get their panties in a wad regarding a rifle caliber..geeze..life is way to short to worry/care that much about this, IMHO...

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Ripp]
      #309563 - 28/12/17 02:47 AM

Rothhammer1, that is an incredible Thompson machine gun ad. Makes one realize how much the world has changed and how dangerous it is to judge actions of the past by today's standards.

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: cordite]
      #309579 - 28/12/17 12:14 PM

What a bizarre thread.

Some of this reminds me of the old Gary Larson cartoon of the "People who Hate Dances With Wolves Party". An enormous ballroom with three people standing in it holding drinks.

God knows I find the .308 utterly unappealing, but I am not going to pretend it won't kill a deer, or that its not one of the top five hunting cartridges worldwide...

(Ten dollars says I can sell a used .270 quicker than a 7x64...)

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: cordite]
      #309590 - 28/12/17 06:57 PM

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Makes one realize how much the world has changed and how dangerous it is to judge actions of the past by today's standards.





I'm hip.

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #309591 - 28/12/17 07:11 PM

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What a bizarre thread.

Some of this reminds me of the old Gary Larson cartoon






And an old favorite from B. Kliban:


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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Ripp]
      #309592 - 28/12/17 07:15 PM

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Before we lean into nation-baiting re: rifles I think it's fair to state that we ought to drop the matter. Forums all over the web go dead due to spurious information and rude comments. In the end, it's an argument over a bit of recycled car battery, some brass, and a measuring tape.




Agreed...this was posted to spur discussion and thoughts..no need for anyone to get their panties in a wad regarding a rifle caliber..geeze..life is way to short to worry/care that much about this, IMHO...

Ripp




Agree with both of the above posts.


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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Rule303]
      #309608 - 29/12/17 05:10 AM



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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Daryl_S]
      #311120 - 26/01/18 11:26 PM

I always thought one the things the 270 has going for it was that pretty much until the 270 Weatherby and the 6.8 SPC, all bullets were designed for it. In say a .308 bore, you could use a 30-30 bullet in a 30-378 cartridge with poor results if it struck heavy bone on a close shot. Pretty much every .277 bullet for many decades was intended for the velocity range of a 270 Winchester. About the only mistake a hunter could make is using a bullet intended for deer on larger game, a mistake that surly been made often. Poorly designed bullets are another matter, and I'm sure there have been some. When this has happened with a cartridge that is so "standardized" bad bullets may become more associated with the cartridge than with cartridges with multitudes of bullet options.

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Dogfish858]
      #311170 - 27/01/18 07:22 PM

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Before we lean into nation-baiting re: rifles I think it's fair to state that we ought to drop the matter. Forums all over the web go dead due to spurious information and rude comments. In the end, it's an argument over a bit of recycled car battery, some brass, and a measuring tape.




NE forums go dead because of the .270?! Ha ha, what follow it into the grave? Ha ha. I don't think so.

This thread has been funny. A stupid concept, "Why I hate the .270" - a spurious "fake news" article, just designed to put some words on paper or monitor screens. And sell some advertising by the publisher.

Is it 'nation baiting' to say "the .270 is popular in the USA" but probably not so much elsewhere?

Of course not. The .277 and .308 are probably the same actually USA designed calibres (?). Noit copying a calibre elsewhere. Probably wrong! But I don't care.

The .270 used to be very popular, IMO, in Australia. Mentioned that before. Not so much today. We even used to have our own version, the .270/303 to make use of the many SMLE rifles available in Australia. Also I believe the actual .303 was banned at one time in civilian hands (?).

Like all the funny images and comments since the "nation baiting" comment. Well done guys.

Its just a rifle and a calibre, far better reasons to get upset over.

PS Anyone who can't kill a deer with a .270 providing reasonable bullets are used, can't shoot.

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: NitroX]
      #311196 - 28/01/18 04:41 AM

I have a .270/303 round in the box of odds and sodds and properly headstamped as well. I think there was likely a .244/303 or 6mm/303 as well. Hell of a roo ctg. I'd think, with a 10 round box magazine.

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Daryl_S]
      #311210 - 28/01/18 10:18 AM

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I have a .270/303 round in the box of odds and sodds and properly headstamped as well. I think there was likely a .244/303 or 6mm/303 as well. Hell of a roo ctg. I'd think, with a 10 round box magazine.




Daryl in Aust. River Brand? ammo and another cartridge company made 22/303, 243/303, 25/303, 270/303, not sure if the 35/303 was made commercially. The 25 and 270/303 were the more popular from my reading.

Others might know more about who made these calibres.


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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Rule303]
      #311215 - 28/01/18 10:42 AM

Just spent 15 minutes going through that box of ctgs. and cases - lots of .303's I'd necked to other calibres, like .22 through to .410", but the .270/303 was not there.

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Rule303]
      #311216 - 28/01/18 10:45 AM

Didnt they call the .224 version the 22/303 " Falcon", or did I make that up?

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: Rule303]
      #311236 - 28/01/18 04:15 PM

Super Cartridge Company made in Maribyrnong Melbourne was the other brand that made 270/303.

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Re: Why-I-hate-the- 270 -- by Bryce M. Towsley [Re: NitroX]
      #311249 - 28/01/18 11:12 PM

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NE forums go dead because of the .270?! Ha ha, what follow it into the grave? Ha ha. I don't think so.

This thread has been funny. A stupid concept, "Why I hate the .270" - a spurious "fake news" article, just designed to put some words on paper or monitor screens. And sell some advertising by the publisher.

Is it 'nation baiting' to say "the .270 is popular in the USA" but probably not so much elsewhere?





I had a .270 in my house once and my computer and television would no longer work until I removed it from my home..cell phone didn't work either...

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