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The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing?
      #307530 - 10/11/17 01:18 AM

https://www.americanrifleman.org/article...m_campaign=1117

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #307535 - 10/11/17 05:28 AM

I see a mini Ruger precision in the future.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Wayne59]
      #307580 - 10/11/17 08:44 PM

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Some years ago, the Saudi Royal Guard Regiment adopted an LWRCI rifle chambered in 6.8x43 mm SPC. When a military unit the size of the Royal guard buys a new rifle and a relatively new cartridge, they need ammunition. Lots of it.

The ammunition side of that contract was fulfilled by Federal Premium Ammunition, and Federal not only filled the contract, but the company learned how to make 6.8 cases. As matter fact, the factory in Anoka, Minn., became very, very good at it.

The thing about really knowing how to make 6.8 cases is that this new cartridge, necked down to .224, is designed for manufacture. Federal will be able to produce ammunition at a fairly inexpensive cost. How inexpensive? How about American Eagle costing under $14 a box.




Bloody hell that writer waffles endless while saying almost nothing.

So it is based on the "6.8x43". Never heard of it. Will have to go looking.

No ballistics table just loads of bullshit. This is the only mention of ballistics anywhere in the article:

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The .224 Valkyrie, from a 24” barrel, propels a high BC 90-gr. Sierra MatchKing at 2700 f.p.s at the muzzle and it stays supersonic out to 1,300 yards.




My guess is this hack writer just turned up to see some people shoot it from an AR, took some photos, was given some PR stock images of ammo boxes and went off to write his BS.

Pity as it would be nice to actually know more about the cartridge.

eg what bolt head size is needed, its length, a ballistics table, barrel twist rate etc.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: NitroX]
      #307588 - 11/11/17 12:19 AM

Per your request ..Google is a beautiful thing..
I can stop by later and mow the yard for you as well if you wish..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBOoGj5oFU&t=177s

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/...e-calibers-025/

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #307594 - 11/11/17 01:18 AM

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Per your request ..Google is a beautiful thing..
I can stop by later and mow the yard for you as well if you wish..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBOoGj5oFU&t=177s

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/...e-calibers-025/




Yes I went looking after reading Mr Hack Waffle, writer of the year.

I did find out, it was based on the 6.8MM SPC, which strangely enough is rimless but somehow based on the .30 Remington Rimmed case ... now I do know the rim can be turned off a rimmed case for backshedders to make a case for reloading, but saying a rimless factory case is from a rimmed case??? No.

Loosely based maybe, but not originating from it.

It is also apparent the .224 Valkyrie uses a .308 bolt head to function in an AR. Haven't compared its dimensions to the .good old 7x57mm case head size to see how different they are.

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Although Federal has not released its spec sheet yet, the .224 Valkyrie appears to have a case that is about 1.62″ long, with an 0.240″ long neck. The shoulder is almost certainly 30 degrees (as is popular at the moment), and the case taper is probably similar to .308 at about 0.35 degrees per side. Since I already had a 6.8 SPC case model laying around, this made modeling the .224 Valkyrie in SolidWorks pretty straightforward:




Mmmm, I wonder if it isn't actually just a .308 shortened and necked down. Or would be very similar. ie forget the rimmed .30 Remington.

Still no ballistics chart. Not released yet. So my guess is all these writers are relying on factory PR ballistics. For their fancy pancy charts proving superiority.

Given my sarcasm and cynicism, i actually like the idea of it, as I liked the idea of a 5.6x57. Except that one had a bad reputation for thick and solid neck. And lack of suitable heavy bullets at the time.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: NitroX]
      #307595 - 11/11/17 01:19 AM

BTW I have so much mowing to do and haven't got to it, you are very welcome. Probably about 70 acres of mowing needing doing.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: NitroX]
      #307601 - 11/11/17 02:45 AM

I think it is so new there is not much out there ..at least that is what I am finding..most of the info on it has been within the past month or two..but yes, agree, if they are putting out info they could give you ALL the info vs a little piece here and there..

What kind of tractor you have???.. I will need to YOUTUBE it to make sure I can run it once I get there..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #307602 - 11/11/17 02:48 AM

The special advantage of this cartridge is that it fits/feeds in the standard size black rifle pattern.

That's important to a huge marketplace of American sportsmen.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: tinker]
      #307606 - 11/11/17 03:10 AM

The 6.8 doesn’t use a 308 bolt head. There is some more information here:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=306934&an=0&page=0#Post306934

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #307611 - 11/11/17 03:34 AM

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The 6.8 doesn’t use a 308 bolt head. There is some more information here:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=306934&an=0&page=0#Post306934




And .... like pulling teeth from a chicken ...

One website did write it used the same bolt head as the .308.

If it doesn't just more crap reporting in an article. .

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #307613 - 11/11/17 03:43 AM

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I think it is so new there is not much out there ..at least that is what I am finding..most of the info on it has been within the past month or two..but yes, agree, if they are putting out info they could give you ALL the info vs a little piece here and there..

What kind of tractor you have???.. I will need to YOUTUBE it to make sure I can run it once I get there..

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Will get the old one out for you. The newer one, now 47 years old, is too good for bloody Yanks.

BTW this cartridge looks hugely over bore. Getting such alleged speed with a 90 gr bullet in a shortish .224 barrel? Also in a short barrel how much unburned powder is being spit out the muzzle?

I understand the drip feeding of information and material. Instead of real data, and information, drip out hyped up videos, claims etc. build up the hype. And all sorts will be sold to people to add yet another dust collector on the gun rack, so when real stuff comes out, the sales will already be guaranteed.

The Europeans are nowhere near as good at it. Look at that .40 calibre Swiss offering. Lots of hype, interest but a hell of a lot of negative comments. But when you can only buy 6 rifles, you got to make sure they work.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: NitroX]
      #307615 - 11/11/17 04:02 AM

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I think it is so new there is not much out there ..at least that is what I am finding..most of the info on it has been within the past month or two..but yes, agree, if they are putting out info they could give you ALL the info vs a little piece here and there..

What kind of tractor you have???.. I will need to YOUTUBE it to make sure I can run it once I get there..

Ripp




Will get the old one out for you. The newer one, now 47 years old, is too good for bloody Yanks.

BTW this cartridge looks hugely over bore. Getting such alleged speed with a 90 gr bullet in a shortish .224 barrel? Also in a short barrel how much unburned powder is being spit out the muzzle?

I understand the drip feeding of information and material. Instead of real data, and information, drip out hyped up videos, claims etc. build up the hype. And all sorts will be sold to people to add yet another dust collector on the gun rack, so when real stuff comes out, the sales will already be guaranteed.

The Europeans are nowhere near as good at it. Look at that .40 calibre Swiss offering. Lots of hype, interest but a hell of a lot of negative comments. But when you can only buy 6 rifles, you got to make sure they work.




Agree..the one article I saw the guy was using a 20" barrel..I think, as was suggested in one of the articles, this will gain in popularity with those who compete in Long Range Precision Rifle ..with an AR style platform..quicker shots, follow ups, etc..perhaps quicker times vs a bolt...Have a buddy who lives in Kansas that ordered a barrel for one yesterday..I am waiting for his reports before I make a move of any kind..have too many already I have not shot in years...

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #307619 - 11/11/17 04:59 AM

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..have too many already I have not shot in years...

Have a great weekend my friend

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: DarylS]
      #308695 - 06/12/17 03:43 AM

Federal's 3 loads for this caliber:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/...ial-data-loads/

LaRue Tactical unveils rifle for caliber;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UQ7Dk2_ywg

Savage is also getting in on the action it appears:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/11/07/savage-224-valkyrie-ar15/



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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #309192 - 20/12/17 01:16 AM

https://www.americanrifleman.org/article...m_campaign=1217


https://gundigest.com/article/new-gun-savage-msr-15-valkyrie

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #309238 - 21/12/17 12:11 AM

I don’t believe this cartidge will stand the test of time. While it meets its goal of being stuffed inside the AR platform, it’s not legal for Service Rifle or Palma competition. It could only be used in “Match Rifle” or “F class” matches, but there’s better cartridges out there already for “across the course” or long range competition.

As others have mentioned, there’s a lot of powder being burned in a small bore with each pull of the trigger. For NMC shooting, with the rapid fire strings at 200 and 300 yards, barrel life will be short for anyone that is shooting in the High Master, or even Master classes. Think of a semiauto in 6.5 x 284 - and the 6.5 x 284 is shot slow fire!

For Mid-range shooting with an AR, it might gain some following, but I have a hard time believing it will unseat the 6 BR with the real contenders.


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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Eck]
      #310031 - 06/01/18 05:15 AM

"Valk" isn't as catchy as "Creed" so I doubt it.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: ismith]
      #310037 - 06/01/18 07:25 AM

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"Valk" isn't as catchy as "Creed" so I doubt it.






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I don’t believe this cartidge will stand the test of time. While it meets its goal of being stuffed inside the AR platform, it’s not legal for Service Rifle or Palma competition. It could only be used in “Match Rifle” or “F class” matches, but there’s better cartridges out there already for “across the course” or long range competition.

As others have mentioned, there’s a lot of powder being burned in a small bore with each pull of the trigger. For NMC shooting, with the rapid fire strings at 200 and 300 yards, barrel life will be short for anyone that is shooting in the High Master, or even Master classes. Think of a semiauto in 6.5 x 284 - and the 6.5 x 284 is shot slow fire!

For Mid-range shooting with an AR, it might gain some following, but I have a hard time believing it will unseat the 6 BR with the real contenders.




I tend to agree...would make a really cool coyote gun however..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: NitroX]
      #310045 - 06/01/18 10:45 AM

Nitrox, the 6.8SPC is a Remington 30 shortened to fit in the AR magazines and necked down to 270. Bit like a shortened necked down rimless 30-30. The 30Rem is a rimless case, not rimed like the 30-30.

The bolt face is larger than a 223 but smaller than a 308. The Ar magazine that holds 30 5.56 will hold 28 6.8SPC and 26 6.5 Grendel. The 6.8 can use the same follower as the 5.56 but the Grendel can't. It was developed by a group of US SF blokes who wanted some thing that would reach further, hit harder, put a bigger hole in people than a 5.56. It also had to work through a M16 platform.

It is a great little round, way better than any 223. I have taken numerous pigs and goats with it. I would feel comfortable taking Red Deer out to 200 with it when using a 115 or 120 grain projectile.

I know some have necked the case down to 6mm and was wondering is anybody would neck it down to 224.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Rule303]
      #310543 - 17/01/18 03:59 AM

For those who may be looking for some ammo..just got this today..

.224 Valkyrie Ammo is now available --by Federal..

Based on this I am assuming Federal is betting the .224 Valkyrie is, for the short term at a minimum, going to be around for a bit...

https://www.midwayusa.com/s?promotionid=...224valkyrieammo

.224 Valkyrie Ammo is now available --by Federal..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #310555 - 17/01/18 09:04 AM

I see the 90 grain is already listed as out of stock? Must be some one buying it.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Claydog]
      #310564 - 17/01/18 01:27 PM

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I see the 90 grain is already listed as out of stock? Must be some one buying it.




Agree...feel the higher grain ammo that will be used a lot for longer range shooting/competition ..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #310586 - 18/01/18 09:12 AM

Can’t hear it hit or even see it hit when shooting steel at 600 yards. Great only for shooting paper. 6.5 Grendel still the best AR15 based round.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Will_F]
      #310594 - 18/01/18 01:33 PM

Additional info on Federals new load..

https://www.outdoorlife.com/exclusive-first-look-federals-90-grain-fusion-in-224-valkyrie

I took a brand new Savage MSR15 chambered in Federal’s recently announced .224 Valkyrie down to Texas for a mule deer hunt to get a feel for the round and see how it would work on game.

The .224 Valkyrie is essentially the 6.8 SPC necked down for .224 bullets, meaning it will feed through AR-15 sized rifles, but generates a lot more velocity than a standard .223. This, in itself, is a pretty good development and is similar to what Nosler did with last year’s 22 Nosler offering.

This isn’t just a me-too, product, however. Federal, which will officially unveil the .224 Valkyrie at the 2018 SHOT Show, has imbued the round with a couple of very appealing features.



One is its ability to run very heavy-for-caliber .224 bullets at impressive velocities. When most of us think about heavy .223 bullets, projectiles in the 70- to 77-grain range are what spring to mind.

Federal, however, created a new 90-grain .224-caliber Fusion bullet specifically designed for hunting deer and similarly sized game. Out of my rifle’s barrel, which has a 1-in-7.25 inch twist to stabilize these long bullets, the 90-grain Fusion exits the muzzle at 2,570 fps. With a 200-yard zero, the bullet shoots flat and will be effective to 300 yards or more on deer.

The rounds I loaded into the rifle’s magazine were the first to be used on any game animal, as the first production samples had just been made a few days before. Accuracy out of the rifle was good, and I had no issues taking the rifle to 600 yards on steel targets set among the yucca, creosote bushes and Spanish dagger on the West Texas ranch I had come to hunt.

The recoil on the round is very mild, and, given its flat trajectory, makes for a good time while pulling the trigger.

The shot on my deer didn’t test the round’s long-range abilities. I got to within 100 yards of my buck as it meandered with a group does through the scrub and a single round to its neck took him down quickly.


The round will also be hell on wheels for coyotes, prairie dogs and other predators and vermin.

In addition to hunters, the .224 Valkyrie is also designed for competitive shooters and long-range plinkers who want to stretch out their shots. One of the requirements Federal set for the round was that it remain supersonic past 1,000 yards, so shooting accurately at those distances is not unrealistic.

Of course, Federal wants everyone to shoot a lot of this ammo, and to help make that possible, they’ve made this round very economical, which is the Valkyrie’s other appealing quality I alluded to earlier.



Since Federal has been making 6.8 SPC brass by the ton for their customers in the U.S. military for many years, they know how to produce it cheaply. That is reflected in the prices for this ammo, which is being offered in four different loads initially.

The 75-grain TMJ in the American Eagle line is the least expensive, with an MSRP of $13.95 for a box of 20. Real world, you can expect to see it discounted to $9.99 on some dealer’s shelves.

The 90-grain Fusion has a listed price of $28.95 per box. The two other rounds are the 90-grain Sierra Matchking in the Gold Medal line at $31.95 per box, and the 60-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip at $29.95 per box.

As of this writing, at least 18 different gun companies are jumping on the Valkyrie bandwagon, giving this round a good start out of the gate.

Based on my initial impressions, I think this round brings enough “new” to the table to give it a good chance for success. That, however, ultimately depends on whether enough hunters and shooters will find the Valkyrie appealing enough to open their wallets.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Will_F]
      #310595 - 18/01/18 01:36 PM

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Can’t hear it hit or even see it hit when shooting steel at 600 yards. Great only for shooting paper. 6.5 Grendel still the best AR15 based round.

Will F.




Another's point of view..

Larue .224 Valkyrie - Sniper's Hide Forums
https://forum.snipershide.com/forum/sniper%C2%92s...s...224-valkyrie/page2
Oct 9, 2017 - 26 posts - ‎17 authors

I had the recent opportunity to shoot the 224 Valkyrie at JP Rifles Blue Steel Ranch. Ballistics using the 90gr SMK seemed similar to my 6.5 CM but with much less recoil. Targets out to 1,000 yards were successfully engaged and bullet splashes at that distance could be observed. I was extremely impressed ...

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #311371 - 31/01/18 02:42 AM

Info from SHOT SHOW

NOW SAAMI approved...

http://www.gunsandammo.com/shot-show/shot-show-2018-range-day-federal-valkryie/




After weeks of pre-SHOT Show buzz, OSG senior digital editor Lynn Burkhead received a full fledged update from Federal Premium Ammunition’s JJ Reich on the company’s much talked about new 224 Valkyrie cartridge.

At Industry Day at the Range, Reich noted that the new 224 Valkyrie round has just received approval by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI) just prior to the start of SHOT Show 2018.

With tack-driving long range accuracy thanks to a flat trajectory and supersonic ballistics out as far as 1,300-yards, Reich noted that the 224 Valkyrie compares very favorably with popular long-range rounds like the 6.5 Creedmoor…with about half of the 6.5 Creedmoor’s felt recoil!

Add in several affordable bullet options from Federal Premium Ammunition, not to mention plenty of energy delivered to the target, and the new 224 Valkyrie round works for a wide variety of shooters ranging from casual plinkers to competitive shooters to hunters of medium-sized game like varmints, wild hogs, and white-tailed deer.

What’s more, when the 224 Valkyrie is coupled with firearms like Savage Arms’ new MSR 15 Valkyrie modern sporting rifle, Reich notes that the result is one of the shooting world’s most exciting new cartridges in years.

No wonder its one of the shooting and hunting industry’s most-talked about new items here on the eve of the SHOT Show’s 40th anniversary!

Information: (800) 379-1732; www.federalpremium.com







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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #311377 - 31/01/18 04:01 AM

Hope the throats don't wear out before some good loads are worked up.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Will_F]
      #311398 - 31/01/18 07:13 PM

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Can’t hear it hit or even see it hit when shooting steel at 600 yards. Great only for shooting paper. 6.5 Grendel still the best AR15 based round.

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Nah, the 6.8SPC as originally designed in my book. Puts a bigger hole in the critter at all usefull hunting ranges. Not worried about paper ballistics with trajectory and 100yd probabilities.


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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: DarylS]
      #311399 - 31/01/18 07:17 PM

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Hope the throats don't wear out before some good loads are worked up.




Daryl, it isn't a Weatherby or Nosler so a case only holding up to 35? grains of powder I don't think will burn to many throats.


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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Rule303]
      #311416 - 01/02/18 03:13 AM

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Hope the throats don't wear out before some good loads are worked up.




Daryl, it isn't a Weatherby or Nosler so a case only holding up to 35? grains of powder I don't think will burn to many throats.




Have to agree... don't see that as in issue in this case..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #311517 - 02/02/18 02:47 PM

Change the name to .224 Creedmoor and they will sell like brownies in in Colorado.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: ismith]
      #311542 - 03/02/18 04:37 AM

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Change the name to .224 Creedmoor and they will sell like brownies in in Colorado.






INDEED..and "brownies" in Colorado have unique flavors and qualities about them these days..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #323901 - 27/01/19 01:20 PM

First-look- Savage Arms- MSR-15-long-range

https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/...m_campaign=0119

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #323902 - 27/01/19 01:30 PM

Doubletap--.224 Valkyrie ammo-- 90-grain Sierra MatchKing bullet-- muzzle velocity of 2,900 fps from a 24-inch barrel

For 2019, Doubletap is offering a new load for the .224 Valkyrie, which continues to grow in popularity, especially with AR-15 shooters who want to push bullets into the next county with precision and limited recoil. This load has a 90-grain Sierra MatchKing bullet designed for long-range performance with a muzzle velocity of 2,900 fps from a 24-inch barrel. This year, Doubletap has also redesigned their packaging to include a thin blue line, honoring law enforcement officers. $29.95 per 20; doubletapammo.net

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #323903 - 27/01/19 03:27 PM

I am taking the "Wait and see" attitude with this one.

So far I have not seen anything that would cause me to want one yet. Yes it's faster then the 5.56 NATO, but so is the 22-250 (by quite a lot) so the fact that the "Valk" fits into an AR is the one thing that may make it grow in popularity. I do not know what the downrange addition of velocity it gives (not all that much as compared to a 22-250) is really going to gain over the NATO cartridge loaded with bullet up to 77 grains.
I do not argue that the heavier bullet at high velocity is going to beat the 556 at ALL ranges in a test of speed.

But I have not found the "mission statement" where that speed would matter in real world shooting. To sales-pitch this as a new "long range hunting rifle" seems to pale in comparison to dozens of older far more powerful and well established shells available for decades.

Around the middle of Wyoming the AR with a standard 5.56 chamber is the King of Varmint Guns and those that want something faster have been the driving force to barrel (or re-barrel) 22-250 bolt actions in 1-8 twist or sometimes 1-7.

Shooting at ranges over 600 and out to 1200 is not something anyone seems to need or want semi-auto function for, at least around here.

Personally I think an AR type rifle in a 22-250 would be very cool, but there are no magazines available that will accommodate that much body taper for such rifles (yet)

The 224 Valkyrie may be a step in that direction. It doesn't meet the velocities of the 22-250, but it is faster then the 5.56 NATO

But only time will tell if this catches on or fizzles. For me personally, I'll save my money and let someone else do all the research and development on this one. This may be very cool later on, but not interesting enough to me to make me spend money on one yet.


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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: szihn]
      #323904 - 27/01/19 03:38 PM

It's just more reach and higher BC flight for the AR guys.
Nothing more than that.

At that it's cool for them, as long as the retailers are setting up with appropriate twist rates and the throat works with whatever bullets they're using.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: tinker]
      #323909 - 28/01/19 02:09 AM

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It's just more reach and higher BC flight for the AR guys.
Nothing more than that.

At that it's cool for them, as long as the retailers are setting up with appropriate twist rates and the throat works with whatever bullets they're using.




Agreed--which I am certain they will... they want/need to make sales..

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I am taking the "Wait and see" attitude with this one.

So far I have not seen anything that would cause me to want one yet. Yes it's faster then the 5.56 NATO, but so is the 22-250 (by quite a lot) so the fact that the "Valk" fits into an AR is the one thing that may make it grow in popularity. I do not know what the downrange addition of velocity it gives (not all that much as compared to a 22-250) is really going to gain over the NATO cartridge loaded with bullet up to 77 grains.
I do not argue that the heavier bullet at high velocity is going to beat the 556 at ALL ranges in a test of speed.




Agree with Tinker on this one.. made for the competition fields more than varmints, etc.. correct, its chambered in AR's now by several manufacturers, not aware of any in the 22.250??..

Can see your hits and fast follow up..able to use heavy for caliber bullets so higher bc for the longer ranges 800+ yds.. all in an AR platform..

Long term who knows, but in the short time its been around, seems to be picking up a little steam.. Personally I like the 6mm Creedmoor..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #323910 - 28/01/19 02:32 AM

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Agreed--which I am certain they will... they want/need to make sales..





I hope they sell the hell out of them.
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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: tinker]
      #323911 - 28/01/19 04:55 AM

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Agreed--which I am certain they will... they want/need to make sales..





I hope they sell the hell out of them.
The more Americans we have exercising their skills in the wind at range the better off we are in the long run - for all the reasons, *hunting included*, if that gets more people out there trying.




If I keep agreeing with you people will think you ane I are up to something..
But, agree with the above--think its awesome, the more people are out there shooting the better off we all are..

PRS has gone crazy in the US the last few years..AND the manufacturers are responding with better products to fill the need ..all the way from gun manufacturers, scopes, stocks, bullets, electronics, etc... NOT that big of a deal anymore to be shooting 1000 yards..now its 1500, 2000 and beyond.. pretty cool..

Even in my neck of the woods..used to be 500 yards was about it for a range--I now know of several ranges an hour or less that go anywhere form 1000 to 2000..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #323915 - 28/01/19 05:27 AM

I just got a call from Colin Stolzer. He has a customer that has an Olympic arms AR in 22-250.
I looked it up and yup..........he's right.

The down side is they are using the old 1-14" twist, so this is not going to shoot the long heavy VLD type bullets, but I'd bet they could be talked into making one with a 1-8" twist.
So they were ahead of me on that.


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      #323921 - 28/01/19 09:32 AM

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I just got a call from Colin Stolzer. He has a customer that has an Olympic arms AR in 22-250.
I looked it up and yup..........he's right.

The down side is they are using the old 1-14" twist, so this is not going to shoot the long heavy VLD type bullets, but I'd bet they could be talked into making one with a 1-8" twist.
So they were ahead of me on that.




Yes, I googled that and saw it earlier as well, but didn't think it was really relevant as their website shows the following:

Availability: DISCONTINUED
This product is no longer available. - This product has been discontinued either by our distributor or the manufacturer. It is not currently available for sale.
NOTICE: Due to unexpected demand and events beyond our control, this ETA is only an estimation and the actual time frame may be longer.
We are not currently accepting back orders for this item. Please add the Ultimate AR in .22-250, Olympic Arms part number UMAR22250 to your watch list to be notified when this item is available again.


To my knowledge, they are/were the ONLY manufacturer that was offering it, and as you state the twist is incorrect for what the Valkyrie is designed for.. long, bc, heavy for caliber bullets..moderate velocity for barrel life, etc...

Other concerns I would have is the velocity of the 22-250 during what can be a rapid rate of fire..based on what I have read, during the evaluation of SOCOM between the 6.5 and 6 Creedmoor, even the relatively small difference in velocity between those 2 resulted in lower barrel life by over 30% for the 6 Creedmoor..hence, SOCOM choose the 6.5..

I constantly get hammered on here for my love of high velocity cartridges.. 26 & 28 Nosler..300RUM, etc. to name a few...this is no different..actually far worse as is a target/comp. rifle with many fast follow up shots...as least for the longer range target shooting...


Interesting video on the two I found here..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkHqm4V6Z6s

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #323924 - 28/01/19 11:55 AM

Could have been written better.
Standard .22-250 twist except for Savage's 12" is 14".
Even at that, my 14" Rem. 700 likes the 62gr. Nosler Varmegeddon that they say needs a 12" twist.

No reason a .22-250 with 7 or 8" twist chambered rifle couldn't not be throated for the long bullets .

Of course, THAT is where the .220 Swift comes into perspective in bolt guns. All of the RP .220 Swift brass I measured, ran a maximum of .0015" out of round, right to 1" above the extractor groove. Most were spot-on, .0000" x .0000" wall thickness.

The .22-250 would easily work on an AR10 platform with long bullets of course, if one thought they needed a semi-auto.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: DarylS]
      #323925 - 28/01/19 12:06 PM

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The .22-250 would easily work on an AR10 platform with long bullets of course, if one thought they needed a semi-auto.




Again the point isn't to simply get something "into a semi auto" - the specific target audience is the folks who run the AR15
That's a huge audience, and a specific set of constraints.
The ability to knock out two pins and do a significant caliber swap is the feature to work around, this does it.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: szihn]
      #323927 - 28/01/19 01:31 PM

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I am taking the "Wait and see" attitude with this one.

So far I have not seen anything that would cause me to want one yet. Yes it's faster then the 5.56 NATO, but so is the 22-250 (by quite a lot) so the fact that the "Valk" fits into an AR is the one thing that may make it grow in popularity. I do not know what the downrange addition of velocity it gives (not all that much as compared to a 22-250) is really going to gain over the NATO cartridge loaded with bullet up to 77 grains.
I do not argue that the heavier bullet at high velocity is going to beat the 556 at ALL ranges in a test of speed.

But I have not found the "mission statement" where that speed would matter in real world shooting. To sales-pitch this as a new "long range hunting rifle" seems to pale in comparison to dozens of older far more powerful and well established shells available for decades.

Around the middle of Wyoming the AR with a standard 5.56 chamber is the King of Varmint Guns and those that want something faster have been the driving force to barrel (or re-barrel) 22-250 bolt actions in 1-8 twist or sometimes 1-7.

Shooting at ranges over 600 and out to 1200 is not something anyone seems to need or want semi-auto function for, at least around here.

Personally I think an AR type rifle in a 22-250 would be very cool, but there are no magazines available that will accommodate that much body taper for such rifles (yet)

The 224 Valkyrie may be a step in that direction. It doesn't meet the velocities of the 22-250, but it is faster then the 5.56 NATO

But only time will tell if this catches on or fizzles. For me personally, I'll save my money and let someone else do all the research and development on this one. This may be very cool later on, but not interesting enough to me to make me spend money on one yet.




Everything you say here applies in principle to the 6.5x55/6.5 Creedmor debate. I own 6.5x55 rifles in modern actions and for that reason have not bought a Creedmor, but everybody I know that has the latter really likes it.

I do not own a Valkyrie either but think that since the standard 5.56-sized AR is THE rifle in the USA today, the addition of more calibers to feed that platform is A OK w/ me.

I'm actually interested in this one if simple uppers are available and the standard lower can be used. Mod'd mags would be no big deal. I've got redundancy in AR's and it would be neat to try one of these not to mention the utility on coyotes and deer.


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