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The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing?
      #307530 - 10/11/17 01:18 AM

https://www.americanrifleman.org/article...m_campaign=1117

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #307535 - 10/11/17 05:28 AM

I see a mini Ruger precision in the future.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Wayne59]
      #307580 - 10/11/17 08:44 PM

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Some years ago, the Saudi Royal Guard Regiment adopted an LWRCI rifle chambered in 6.8x43 mm SPC. When a military unit the size of the Royal guard buys a new rifle and a relatively new cartridge, they need ammunition. Lots of it.

The ammunition side of that contract was fulfilled by Federal Premium Ammunition, and Federal not only filled the contract, but the company learned how to make 6.8 cases. As matter fact, the factory in Anoka, Minn., became very, very good at it.

The thing about really knowing how to make 6.8 cases is that this new cartridge, necked down to .224, is designed for manufacture. Federal will be able to produce ammunition at a fairly inexpensive cost. How inexpensive? How about American Eagle costing under $14 a box.




Bloody hell that writer waffles endless while saying almost nothing.

So it is based on the "6.8x43". Never heard of it. Will have to go looking.

No ballistics table just loads of bullshit. This is the only mention of ballistics anywhere in the article:

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The .224 Valkyrie, from a 24” barrel, propels a high BC 90-gr. Sierra MatchKing at 2700 f.p.s at the muzzle and it stays supersonic out to 1,300 yards.




My guess is this hack writer just turned up to see some people shoot it from an AR, took some photos, was given some PR stock images of ammo boxes and went off to write his BS.

Pity as it would be nice to actually know more about the cartridge.

eg what bolt head size is needed, its length, a ballistics table, barrel twist rate etc.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: NitroX]
      #307588 - 11/11/17 12:19 AM

Per your request ..Google is a beautiful thing..
I can stop by later and mow the yard for you as well if you wish..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBOoGj5oFU&t=177s

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/...e-calibers-025/

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #307594 - 11/11/17 01:18 AM

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Per your request ..Google is a beautiful thing..
I can stop by later and mow the yard for you as well if you wish..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBOoGj5oFU&t=177s

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/...e-calibers-025/




Yes I went looking after reading Mr Hack Waffle, writer of the year.

I did find out, it was based on the 6.8MM SPC, which strangely enough is rimless but somehow based on the .30 Remington Rimmed case ... now I do know the rim can be turned off a rimmed case for backshedders to make a case for reloading, but saying a rimless factory case is from a rimmed case??? No.

Loosely based maybe, but not originating from it.

It is also apparent the .224 Valkyrie uses a .308 bolt head to function in an AR. Haven't compared its dimensions to the .good old 7x57mm case head size to see how different they are.

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Although Federal has not released its spec sheet yet, the .224 Valkyrie appears to have a case that is about 1.62″ long, with an 0.240″ long neck. The shoulder is almost certainly 30 degrees (as is popular at the moment), and the case taper is probably similar to .308 at about 0.35 degrees per side. Since I already had a 6.8 SPC case model laying around, this made modeling the .224 Valkyrie in SolidWorks pretty straightforward:




Mmmm, I wonder if it isn't actually just a .308 shortened and necked down. Or would be very similar. ie forget the rimmed .30 Remington.

Still no ballistics chart. Not released yet. So my guess is all these writers are relying on factory PR ballistics. For their fancy pancy charts proving superiority.

Given my sarcasm and cynicism, i actually like the idea of it, as I liked the idea of a 5.6x57. Except that one had a bad reputation for thick and solid neck. And lack of suitable heavy bullets at the time.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: NitroX]
      #307595 - 11/11/17 01:19 AM

BTW I have so much mowing to do and haven't got to it, you are very welcome. Probably about 70 acres of mowing needing doing.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: NitroX]
      #307601 - 11/11/17 02:45 AM

I think it is so new there is not much out there ..at least that is what I am finding..most of the info on it has been within the past month or two..but yes, agree, if they are putting out info they could give you ALL the info vs a little piece here and there..

What kind of tractor you have???.. I will need to YOUTUBE it to make sure I can run it once I get there..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #307602 - 11/11/17 02:48 AM

The special advantage of this cartridge is that it fits/feeds in the standard size black rifle pattern.

That's important to a huge marketplace of American sportsmen.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: tinker]
      #307606 - 11/11/17 03:10 AM

The 6.8 doesn’t use a 308 bolt head. There is some more information here:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=306934&an=0&page=0#Post306934

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #307611 - 11/11/17 03:34 AM

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The 6.8 doesn’t use a 308 bolt head. There is some more information here:

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=306934&an=0&page=0#Post306934




And .... like pulling teeth from a chicken ...

One website did write it used the same bolt head as the .308.

If it doesn't just more crap reporting in an article. .

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #307613 - 11/11/17 03:43 AM

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I think it is so new there is not much out there ..at least that is what I am finding..most of the info on it has been within the past month or two..but yes, agree, if they are putting out info they could give you ALL the info vs a little piece here and there..

What kind of tractor you have???.. I will need to YOUTUBE it to make sure I can run it once I get there..

Ripp




Will get the old one out for you. The newer one, now 47 years old, is too good for bloody Yanks.

BTW this cartridge looks hugely over bore. Getting such alleged speed with a 90 gr bullet in a shortish .224 barrel? Also in a short barrel how much unburned powder is being spit out the muzzle?

I understand the drip feeding of information and material. Instead of real data, and information, drip out hyped up videos, claims etc. build up the hype. And all sorts will be sold to people to add yet another dust collector on the gun rack, so when real stuff comes out, the sales will already be guaranteed.

The Europeans are nowhere near as good at it. Look at that .40 calibre Swiss offering. Lots of hype, interest but a hell of a lot of negative comments. But when you can only buy 6 rifles, you got to make sure they work.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: NitroX]
      #307615 - 11/11/17 04:02 AM

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I think it is so new there is not much out there ..at least that is what I am finding..most of the info on it has been within the past month or two..but yes, agree, if they are putting out info they could give you ALL the info vs a little piece here and there..

What kind of tractor you have???.. I will need to YOUTUBE it to make sure I can run it once I get there..

Ripp




Will get the old one out for you. The newer one, now 47 years old, is too good for bloody Yanks.

BTW this cartridge looks hugely over bore. Getting such alleged speed with a 90 gr bullet in a shortish .224 barrel? Also in a short barrel how much unburned powder is being spit out the muzzle?

I understand the drip feeding of information and material. Instead of real data, and information, drip out hyped up videos, claims etc. build up the hype. And all sorts will be sold to people to add yet another dust collector on the gun rack, so when real stuff comes out, the sales will already be guaranteed.

The Europeans are nowhere near as good at it. Look at that .40 calibre Swiss offering. Lots of hype, interest but a hell of a lot of negative comments. But when you can only buy 6 rifles, you got to make sure they work.




Agree..the one article I saw the guy was using a 20" barrel..I think, as was suggested in one of the articles, this will gain in popularity with those who compete in Long Range Precision Rifle ..with an AR style platform..quicker shots, follow ups, etc..perhaps quicker times vs a bolt...Have a buddy who lives in Kansas that ordered a barrel for one yesterday..I am waiting for his reports before I make a move of any kind..have too many already I have not shot in years...

Have a great weekend my friend

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #307619 - 11/11/17 04:59 AM

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..have too many already I have not shot in years...

Have a great weekend my friend

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Daryl_S]
      #308695 - 06/12/17 03:43 AM

Federal's 3 loads for this caliber:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/...ial-data-loads/

LaRue Tactical unveils rifle for caliber;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UQ7Dk2_ywg

Savage is also getting in on the action it appears:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/11/07/savage-224-valkyrie-ar15/



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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #309192 - 20/12/17 01:16 AM

https://www.americanrifleman.org/article...m_campaign=1217


https://gundigest.com/article/new-gun-savage-msr-15-valkyrie

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #309238 - 21/12/17 12:11 AM

I don’t believe this cartidge will stand the test of time. While it meets its goal of being stuffed inside the AR platform, it’s not legal for Service Rifle or Palma competition. It could only be used in “Match Rifle” or “F class” matches, but there’s better cartridges out there already for “across the course” or long range competition.

As others have mentioned, there’s a lot of powder being burned in a small bore with each pull of the trigger. For NMC shooting, with the rapid fire strings at 200 and 300 yards, barrel life will be short for anyone that is shooting in the High Master, or even Master classes. Think of a semiauto in 6.5 x 284 - and the 6.5 x 284 is shot slow fire!

For Mid-range shooting with an AR, it might gain some following, but I have a hard time believing it will unseat the 6 BR with the real contenders.


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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Eck]
      #310031 - 06/01/18 05:15 AM

"Valk" isn't as catchy as "Creed" so I doubt it.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: ismith]
      #310037 - 06/01/18 07:25 AM

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"Valk" isn't as catchy as "Creed" so I doubt it.






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I don’t believe this cartidge will stand the test of time. While it meets its goal of being stuffed inside the AR platform, it’s not legal for Service Rifle or Palma competition. It could only be used in “Match Rifle” or “F class” matches, but there’s better cartridges out there already for “across the course” or long range competition.

As others have mentioned, there’s a lot of powder being burned in a small bore with each pull of the trigger. For NMC shooting, with the rapid fire strings at 200 and 300 yards, barrel life will be short for anyone that is shooting in the High Master, or even Master classes. Think of a semiauto in 6.5 x 284 - and the 6.5 x 284 is shot slow fire!

For Mid-range shooting with an AR, it might gain some following, but I have a hard time believing it will unseat the 6 BR with the real contenders.




I tend to agree...would make a really cool coyote gun however..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: NitroX]
      #310045 - 06/01/18 10:45 AM

Nitrox, the 6.8SPC is a Remington 30 shortened to fit in the AR magazines and necked down to 270. Bit like a shortened necked down rimless 30-30. The 30Rem is a rimless case, not rimed like the 30-30.

The bolt face is larger than a 223 but smaller than a 308. The Ar magazine that holds 30 5.56 will hold 28 6.8SPC and 26 6.5 Grendel. The 6.8 can use the same follower as the 5.56 but the Grendel can't. It was developed by a group of US SF blokes who wanted some thing that would reach further, hit harder, put a bigger hole in people than a 5.56. It also had to work through a M16 platform.

It is a great little round, way better than any 223. I have taken numerous pigs and goats with it. I would feel comfortable taking Red Deer out to 200 with it when using a 115 or 120 grain projectile.

I know some have necked the case down to 6mm and was wondering is anybody would neck it down to 224.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Rule303]
      #310543 - 17/01/18 03:59 AM

For those who may be looking for some ammo..just got this today..

.224 Valkyrie Ammo is now available --by Federal..

Based on this I am assuming Federal is betting the .224 Valkyrie is, for the short term at a minimum, going to be around for a bit...

https://www.midwayusa.com/s?promotionid=...224valkyrieammo

.224 Valkyrie Ammo is now available --by Federal..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #310555 - 17/01/18 09:04 AM

I see the 90 grain is already listed as out of stock? Must be some one buying it.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Claydog]
      #310564 - 17/01/18 01:27 PM

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I see the 90 grain is already listed as out of stock? Must be some one buying it.




Agree...feel the higher grain ammo that will be used a lot for longer range shooting/competition ..

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Ripp]
      #310586 - 18/01/18 09:12 AM

Can’t hear it hit or even see it hit when shooting steel at 600 yards. Great only for shooting paper. 6.5 Grendel still the best AR15 based round.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Will_F]
      #310594 - 18/01/18 01:33 PM

Additional info on Federals new load..

https://www.outdoorlife.com/exclusive-first-look-federals-90-grain-fusion-in-224-valkyrie

I took a brand new Savage MSR15 chambered in Federal’s recently announced .224 Valkyrie down to Texas for a mule deer hunt to get a feel for the round and see how it would work on game.

The .224 Valkyrie is essentially the 6.8 SPC necked down for .224 bullets, meaning it will feed through AR-15 sized rifles, but generates a lot more velocity than a standard .223. This, in itself, is a pretty good development and is similar to what Nosler did with last year’s 22 Nosler offering.

This isn’t just a me-too, product, however. Federal, which will officially unveil the .224 Valkyrie at the 2018 SHOT Show, has imbued the round with a couple of very appealing features.



One is its ability to run very heavy-for-caliber .224 bullets at impressive velocities. When most of us think about heavy .223 bullets, projectiles in the 70- to 77-grain range are what spring to mind.

Federal, however, created a new 90-grain .224-caliber Fusion bullet specifically designed for hunting deer and similarly sized game. Out of my rifle’s barrel, which has a 1-in-7.25 inch twist to stabilize these long bullets, the 90-grain Fusion exits the muzzle at 2,570 fps. With a 200-yard zero, the bullet shoots flat and will be effective to 300 yards or more on deer.

The rounds I loaded into the rifle’s magazine were the first to be used on any game animal, as the first production samples had just been made a few days before. Accuracy out of the rifle was good, and I had no issues taking the rifle to 600 yards on steel targets set among the yucca, creosote bushes and Spanish dagger on the West Texas ranch I had come to hunt.

The recoil on the round is very mild, and, given its flat trajectory, makes for a good time while pulling the trigger.

The shot on my deer didn’t test the round’s long-range abilities. I got to within 100 yards of my buck as it meandered with a group does through the scrub and a single round to its neck took him down quickly.


The round will also be hell on wheels for coyotes, prairie dogs and other predators and vermin.

In addition to hunters, the .224 Valkyrie is also designed for competitive shooters and long-range plinkers who want to stretch out their shots. One of the requirements Federal set for the round was that it remain supersonic past 1,000 yards, so shooting accurately at those distances is not unrealistic.

Of course, Federal wants everyone to shoot a lot of this ammo, and to help make that possible, they’ve made this round very economical, which is the Valkyrie’s other appealing quality I alluded to earlier.



Since Federal has been making 6.8 SPC brass by the ton for their customers in the U.S. military for many years, they know how to produce it cheaply. That is reflected in the prices for this ammo, which is being offered in four different loads initially.

The 75-grain TMJ in the American Eagle line is the least expensive, with an MSRP of $13.95 for a box of 20. Real world, you can expect to see it discounted to $9.99 on some dealer’s shelves.

The 90-grain Fusion has a listed price of $28.95 per box. The two other rounds are the 90-grain Sierra Matchking in the Gold Medal line at $31.95 per box, and the 60-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip at $29.95 per box.

As of this writing, at least 18 different gun companies are jumping on the Valkyrie bandwagon, giving this round a good start out of the gate.

Based on my initial impressions, I think this round brings enough “new” to the table to give it a good chance for success. That, however, ultimately depends on whether enough hunters and shooters will find the Valkyrie appealing enough to open their wallets.

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Re: The-Keefe-report- .224-Valkyrie- The-next-big-thing? [Re: Will_F]
      #310595 - 18/01/18 01:36 PM

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Can’t hear it hit or even see it hit when shooting steel at 600 yards. Great only for shooting paper. 6.5 Grendel still the best AR15 based round.

Will F.




Another's point of view..

Larue .224 Valkyrie - Sniper's Hide Forums
https://forum.snipershide.com/forum/sniper%C2%92s...s...224-valkyrie/page2
Oct 9, 2017 - 26 posts - ‎17 authors

I had the recent opportunity to shoot the 224 Valkyrie at JP Rifles Blue Steel Ranch. Ballistics using the 90gr SMK seemed similar to my 6.5 CM but with much less recoil. Targets out to 1,000 yards were successfully engaged and bullet splashes at that distance could be observed. I was extremely impressed ...

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