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Ripp
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6.5 Creemoor,...
      #283551 - 07/06/16 06:12 AM

Anyone tinkering around with one of there or used one much??

Seems like an interesting cartridge. Longer range and little to no recoil...

Ripp

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/the-gun-nuts/the-65-creedmoor

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Ripp]
      #283552 - 07/06/16 06:16 AM

I havent looked it up recently but I believe your 264WM wins the battle from memory.

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: gryphon]
      #283567 - 07/06/16 09:40 AM

Although just a "tich" shorter than a .260 Rem, it produces the same ballistics if loaded to the same pressures.

Whatever it does, the .260 also does. The 6.5x55 in a decent action and same barrel length, will actually best both by a small margin, due to it's 'slightly' larger case capacity.

The 6.5x57 has the same case capacity as the 6.5x55. I've read that is the reason for the slightly shorter case with slightly larger base - to have the same capacity as the 57mm case, in the shorter action (M96 vs. M98) which would allow the use of the longer 156gr. FMJ of the time.

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: DarylS]
      #283573 - 07/06/16 02:12 PM

http://outdoorchannel.com/article.aspx?i...ce-sliced-bread

This is some of what I found as well...the thing that caught my eye the first time was while attending the GUNWERKS LONG RANGE SHOOTING SCHOOL..all the guns they had us shoot out to roughly 1000 yards were their guns chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor---

From what I have read and been told, as this article confirms, the cartridge was designed for long range competition.. very low recoil and accurate to and past 1000 yards...

I have and am using other 6.5's..such as 264 Win, 6.5/284 and 26 Nosler...thought at some point it would be fun to build one of these or grab one off the shelve just to try it out a bit..think it would be a fun gun to shoot quite a bit with long barrel life and accuracy...

So many guns, so little time...

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Ripp]
      #284984 - 09/07/16 01:32 PM

I've shot the 6.5 Creedmore in both a bolt gun and an AR10. It's a good idea but if you don't reload you should pass on it. The Hornady brass isn't that good.

In the 6.5 class of cartridges I would vote for the 6.5 SAUM. I've got 600-700 rounds through mine and it's a tack driving hammer. At this point I'm shooting necked down and turned 300 SAUM brass from Norma, my pet load is driving the 142gr SMK at 3210fps to great success. This cartridge shoots flat and has decent barrel life, so far. I've shot it out to just under 1500yds.


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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #285014 - 10/07/16 09:11 AM

My 6.5x55 mimics my daughter's .260 REM. 2,966 with 129 SP's and 2,840 with 142's. Re#19 in both.

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: DarylS]
      #285125 - 13/07/16 12:39 PM

The instructor I've taken a couple of long range classes from shoots a variant of the 6.5x55. I don't recall the name of it but it's got a blown out case and a 37degree shoulder. The 140gr class bullets need to be seated deep in a short action but he has good success with it in PRS matches. After initial case prep and fire forming all he does is clean and reload, no trimming or chamfering required, just anneal the necks ever few firings (Lapua brass of course).


Edit: the cartridge is the 6.5 Addiction, PTG lists the reamer.

Edited by SharpsNitro (14/07/16 12:28 PM)


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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #285156 - 14/07/16 12:50 AM

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I've shot the 6.5 Creedmore in both a bolt gun and an AR10. It's a good idea but if you don't reload you should pass on it. The Hornady brass isn't that good.

In the 6.5 class of cartridges I would vote for the 6.5 SAUM. I've got 600-700 rounds through mine and it's a tack driving hammer. At this point I'm shooting necked down and turned 300 SAUM brass from Norma, my pet load is driving the 142gr SMK at 3210fps to great success. This cartridge shoots flat and has decent barrel life, so far. I've shot it out to just under 1500yds.




You are about the 5th guys I have run into lately that is using a 6.5 SAUM....all pretty much are saying the same thing..I saw a target at a local gunsmiths shop recently--was one ragged hole...impressive..

As to the 6.5 Creedmore, I do reload so that would not be an issue..shot them at one of the long range schools I attended..was really pleasant to shoot..plus the rifle had a can on them ..made it nice to just keep plugging away with out to 1000 yrds...

More so for my wife and kids one day..thinking of this as a good starter..

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/kimber-adirondack-review/

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Ripp]
      #285186 - 14/07/16 12:38 PM

The SAUM has been working well for me, I'm planning to shoot an ELR PRS match in Wyoming in a few weeks, the targets will range from 500-1800yds. I'm debating whether to take the SAUM or the 338LM, the LM shines out past 1000yds but you pay for in recoil.

Another cartridge that's been shooting well for me is the 243 30deg improved. With H1000 and the 115gr DTAC its not too hard to shoot groups that are hard to measure they are so small. Accuracy has been great out to 1400yds.


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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #285207 - 15/07/16 12:08 AM

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The SAUM has been working well for me, I'm planning to shoot an ELR PRS match in Wyoming in a few weeks, the targets will range from 500-1800yds. I'm debating whether to take the SAUM or the 338LM, the LM shines out past 1000yds but you pay for in recoil.

Another cartridge that's been shooting well for me is the 243 30deg improved. With H1000 and the 115gr DTAC its not too hard to shoot groups that are hard to measure they are so small. Accuracy has been great out to 1400yds.




Best of luck to you...I have a good friend from my JJ class who competes quite a bit in 3 gun along with long range..he told me about a .243 caliber he was using for long range a few months back. I am not sure exactely what it is..will have to check..

As you seem to travel a bit, if you are ever in the neighborhood stop in.

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Ripp]
      #285251 - 15/07/16 02:32 PM

Will do. There are a number of quality cartridges based off of the .243: the 6xc, 6slr, 6cm .243AI, etc. I used the .243 30deg Imp by Robert Whitely (http://6mmar.com) with the long throat. David Tubb has a new version of the 115gr DTAC out that has a significant improvement in BC that I'm interested in trying.

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #285308 - 16/07/16 06:25 AM

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Will do. There are a number of quality cartridges based off of the .243: the 6xc, 6slr, 6cm .243AI, etc. I used the .243 30deg Imp by Robert Whitely (http://6mmar.com) with the long throat. David Tubb has a new version of the 115gr DTAC out that has a significant improvement in BC that I'm interested in trying.




I think the David Tubb's version is the one he is using.. not positive but remember hearing about this once before...

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Ripp]
      #285321 - 16/07/16 09:40 AM

G'Day Fella's,

Ripp, the Creedmoor appears to be an American version, of the original 6.5 x 47 Lapua cartridge.
Both are great little cartridges, and kind of like a 22-250/250 Savage case, necked up to 6.5mm and blown out (but not AI like improved).
I have had a 6.5 x 47 Lap barrel for my Rem 700 switch barrel rifle for a few years now.
It shoots way better than I can......(but I'm trying to improve)!
I reload Moly coated 140/142grain bullets, at a safe 2700 fps, from the 26" Lilja 1 in 8", 3 groove barrel.

Also, I see there's an article on the 6.5 Creedmoor, in the current Rifle magazine (it's their 50th Anniversary, Give Away rifle).

Doh!
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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Homer]
      #285337 - 16/07/16 01:06 PM

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G'Day Fella's,

Ripp, the Creedmoor appears to be an American version, of the original 6.5 x 47 Lapua cartridge.
Both are great little cartridges, and kind of like a 22-250/250 Savage case, necked up to 6.5mm and blown out (but not AI like improved).
I have had a 6.5 x 47 Lap barrel for my Rem 700 switch barrel rifle for a few years now.
It shoots way better than I can......(but I'm trying to improve)!
I reload Moly coated 140/142grain bullets, at a safe 2700 fps, from the 26" Lilja 1 in 8", 3 groove barrel.

Also, I see there's an article on the 6.5 Creedmoor, in the current Rifle magazine (it's their 50th Anniversary, Give Away rifle).

Doh!
Homer




Thank you for the info--I actually picked up that magazine for that article--

Curious that you shoot moly bullets..any issue getting that back out of the barrel??

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: SharpsNitro]
      #285338 - 16/07/16 01:10 PM

Quote:

The SAUM has been working well for me, I'm planning to shoot an ELR PRS match in Wyoming in a few weeks, the targets will range from 500-1800yds. I'm debating whether to take the SAUM or the 338LM, the LM shines out past 1000yds but you pay for in recoil.

Another cartridge that's been shooting well for me is the 243 30deg improved. With H1000 and the 115gr DTAC its not too hard to shoot groups that are hard to measure they are so small. Accuracy has been great out to 1400yds.




Impressive!

Our new range can only have targets so far, to 1,180yards - good for a start.

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: DarylS]
      #285339 - 16/07/16 02:45 PM

Moly 'fouling' can be removed with just a wet patch or two using "Moly Solve" - was made in Saskatchewan and sold by Russell Sports in Calgary - no longer there.
It's like to get some more - it seemed pretty good on copper too.
I haven't gone looking for it for 12 years, when I bought my last bottle.

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: DarylS]
      #285385 - 17/07/16 11:52 AM

Quote:

Moly 'fouling' can be removed with just a wet patch or two using "Moly Solve" - was made in Saskatchewan and sold by Russell Sports in Calgary - no longer there.
It's like to get some more - it seemed pretty good on copper too.
I haven't gone looking for it for 12 years, when I bought my last bottle.




Most of the guys I know, including myself quite using them a long time ago...don't see the need along with the extra issues..each to their own I guess...

thx

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Ripp]
      #285395 - 17/07/16 02:49 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Moly 'fouling' can be removed with just a wet patch or two using "Moly Solve" - was made in Saskatchewan and sold by Russell Sports in Calgary - no longer there.
It's like to get some more - it seemed pretty good on copper too.
I haven't gone looking for it for 12 years, when I bought my last bottle.




Most of the guys I know, including myself quite using them a long time ago...don't see the need along with the extra issues..each to their own I guess...

thx

Ripp




I've never had any "issues" using moly coated bullets.
I've cleaned my CF .17's every 600 (.17Rem) to 1,000 rounds (.17AH) after using moly's bullets - no accuracy loss in those figures, just figured I should clean them.

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: DarylS]
      #285411 - 18/07/16 01:54 AM

I'm guessing bullet coatings like moly have fallen out of favor due to all of the high end barrels available today. Who needs it in a good, hand lapped barrel?

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: DarylS]
      #285418 - 18/07/16 07:26 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Moly 'fouling' can be removed with just a wet patch or two using "Moly Solve" - was made in Saskatchewan and sold by Russell Sports in Calgary - no longer there.
It's like to get some more - it seemed pretty good on copper too.
I haven't gone looking for it for 12 years, when I bought my last bottle.




Most of the guys I know, including myself quite using them a long time ago...don't see the need along with the extra issues..each to their own I guess...

thx

Ripp




I've never had any "issues" using moly coated bullets.
I've cleaned my CF .17's every 600 (.17Rem) to 1,000 rounds (.17AH) after using moly's bullets - no accuracy loss in those figures, just figured I should clean them.




I used the old Winchester fail safes --great bullet. Back in the day when they first come out..worked awesome in elk...but at that time I did have a heck of a time getting it out of my Browning bolt barrel in 300 Win...and had not really shot that many rounds through it..guess I was using the wrong solvent??

Based on what I read from various barrel manufacturers, it must build up a film or sorts. I just put a "Proof" barrel on another rifle. in its instructions it states to not use any moly bullets in it for at least the first 100 rounds...guessing it is similar in reason to used the Barnes??..as I have read similar info for those as well...guessing softer copper adheres more readily to slight imperfections in barrels when breaking them in??

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Ripp]
      #285420 - 18/07/16 08:43 AM

They want you to slick up - polish the barrel first, before using moly or pure copper bullets.

Same deal with Amsoil Oil Motor Oil - advised to put 5,000 to 8,000 miles on the engine to break/wear it in before switching to the synthetic - need to break it in first with cheap normal oil, then put in the good stuff and stop wear at that point.

Most standard solvents will not touch moly fouling.

Most barrels, if cleaned back to steel, or if naked bullets are shot, you may need to fire 5 to 15 moly coated bullets to re-coat the bore with moly, before they start shooting perfectly again. Depending on the cartridge's size, it can take .2gr. to 2.0gr. to re-achieve the velocity loss when switching to moly coated bullets. The larger the case, the more powder it takes.


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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: DarylS]
      #285470 - 19/07/16 11:17 PM

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They want you to slick up - polish the barrel first, before using moly or pure copper bullets.

Same deal with Amsoil Oil Motor Oil - advised to put 5,000 to 8,000 miles on the engine to break/wear it in before switching to the synthetic - need to break it in first with cheap normal oil, then put in the good stuff and stop wear at that point.

Most standard solvents will not touch moly fouling.

Most barrels, if cleaned back to steel, or if naked bullets are shot, you may need to fire 5 to 15 moly coated bullets to re-coat the bore with moly, before they start shooting perfectly again. Depending on the cartridge's size, it can take .2gr. to 2.0gr. to re-achieve the velocity loss when switching to moly coated bullets. The larger the case, the more powder it takes.




Makes sense--as I normally run and have for a very long time synthetic oil in all my vehicles..was told a long time ago not to do that until I have it to get it properly broke in...

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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Ripp]
      #285471 - 19/07/16 11:18 PM

Saw this on RIFLE SHOOTER MAGAZINE --6.5 Creedmore Load Development.

http://rifleshooter.com/2016/05/6-5-cree...nd-reloader-17/


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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Ripp]
      #285494 - 20/07/16 12:32 PM

Quote:

Quote:

They want you to slick up - polish the barrel first, before using moly or pure copper bullets.

Same deal with Amsoil Oil Motor Oil - advised to put 5,000 to 8,000 miles on the engine to break/wear it in before switching to the synthetic - need to break it in first with cheap normal oil, then put in the good stuff and stop wear at that point.

Most standard solvents will not touch moly fouling.

Most barrels, if cleaned back to steel, or if naked bullets are shot, you may need to fire 5 to 15 moly coated bullets to re-coat the bore with moly, before they start shooting perfectly again. Depending on the cartridge's size, it can take .2gr. to 2.0gr. to re-achieve the velocity loss when switching to moly coated bullets. The larger the case, the more powder it takes.




Makes sense--as I normally run and have for a very long time synthetic oil in all my vehicles..was told a long time ago not to do that until I have it to get it properly broke in...





What about cars that use synthetic oil from the factory?


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Re: 6.5 Creemoor,... [Re: Ripp]
      #285495 - 20/07/16 12:38 PM

Quote:

Saw this on RIFLE SHOOTER MAGAZINE --6.5 Creedmore Load Development.

http://rifleshooter.com/2016/05/6-5-cree...nd-reloader-17/


Ripp





Interesting. Too bad they didn't include their extreme spread data, only going by standard deviation is a mistake as it glosses over consistency in velocity.

That rifle is a waste to put a BEAST on.


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