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FATBOY404
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Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s.
#183299 - 09/06/11 11:12 AM

Well I have got my 8x68s finnished.
It is built on a zkk 600 action opended up by a couple of mm's. I am loading 200 grain Woodleigh PP and Speers with 72 grains of 2209 with a c.o.l of 90mm for 3000 fps.

The barrel is a 26" #722 Lothar Walter supplied by Axel(HuntingSchneider)on NE.

All bits and pieces came from Greame Sraggon (0427319589)grip cap and sling swivels.

Daryl Stevens (0419772048) suppiled the timber and did all the stock work.

Tony Small (Nickal Gunsmithing 0429358303) did all the metal work and rust blueing as well.

Thanks to all these fella's for their time and effort.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183301 - 09/06/11 11:21 AM

Hi Neale,

The rifle turned out very nicely and thanks for posting. Tony did a wonderful job and by your previous 'Hunt' pictures with it shows a devastating caliber.

Cheers Mate,

Jeff

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
#183307 - 09/06/11 12:34 PM

That 'blew my hair back'. Congratulations Neale.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183309 - 09/06/11 01:10 PM

That looks like a "keeper". Congratulations.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
#183312 - 09/06/11 07:00 PM

Neale that is a great looking rifle and a great calibre.

Tony and Daryl can both give themselves a pat on the back for work well done. I realy do like the wood in the stock.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: Rule303]
#183315 - 09/06/11 07:41 PM

It is a joy to use I must say.

Have read about "fierce recoil" and bad behavior from this cartridge but so far have not seen this for myself.

Maybe when I get excited with 220 grainers this will change but I don't think so.

Thanks for the replies and I will keep you posted.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183319 - 09/06/11 09:04 PM

Very nice, now I have drool all over my keyboard...

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: mauserand9mm]
#183329 - 09/06/11 11:23 PM

I found the recoil to be a bit softer than the various .300 mags. Perhaps this is due to the heavier weight of the 8x68's I've fired - perhaps.

I really like the stock work, Neale - they did a great job. The 'panels' are tastefully executed as is the grip.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183363 - 10/06/11 11:41 AM

That is an amazingly beautiful rifle!

Congratulations and here's wishing you some fantastic hunting!

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: mehulkamdar]
#183370 - 10/06/11 04:05 PM

Now that is a VERY nice ZKK... understated elegance in a classic Euro cartridge

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: TilleyMan]
#183376 - 10/06/11 06:45 PM

Thanks again.
I have got three days off this week and I,m hunting pigs for all of it.

Guess what rifle I am taking ?.

I have loaded 50,200 grain Woodleigh's for the trip so will see how they handle the velocity.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183383 - 10/06/11 08:28 PM

Cool!

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: Ben]
#183398 - 11/06/11 12:48 AM

I'll take it!!

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: Phillip]
#183547 - 13/06/11 04:03 PM

Nice work Neale,

Can you please post a photo of your trio of Brno's by Tony and Darryl?

Regards and good luck with the 500J!

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: Cinghiale]
#183559 - 13/06/11 06:31 PM

Should get my new camera Tuesday,so will get a photo of them and a couple of recovered projectiles photo's as well.

As everyone has said,the 8x68s is very hard on projectiles.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183601 - 14/06/11 02:30 AM

What is the little detail work behind the grip? I have never seen that before. It looks cool, can you post a closeup?

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: pacecars]
#183616 - 14/06/11 07:45 AM

It happened on my first stock (9.3x62) by accident.
Daryl Stevens was shaping the butt into the grip cap and left a little bit.
He then turned it into a feature,sent me a photo and said "what do you think".
To which I said "I love it".He now has done it on all my stocks.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183651 - 14/06/11 06:24 PM

As to handling velocity.

Here is a photo of a recovered 200 grain Woodleigh.
Head shot a pig running at me and found it at the last rib on a 25kg pig.
Weighs 101 grains.

MAN DO THEY KILL !!!!!.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183653 - 14/06/11 06:55 PM

Awesome rifle Neale!

Quality workmanship on everything. No doubt you're very pleased with the end result.
As for the little bit behind the grip, I think it looks very neat indeed. It just seems to look right.
I know you'll put that rifle to good use mate! Thanks for showing us.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: 4seventy]
#183732 - 15/06/11 10:50 AM

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183741 - 15/06/11 12:26 PM

Thanks! That adds just the right touch!

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183788 - 15/06/11 09:24 PM

Neale those close up really do the timber in the stock justice. That Woody certaily did the job. Looks like you had another good hunt.

Cheers

Greg

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#183873 - 16/06/11 06:06 PM

Quote:

That rifle turned out great and I think the mild recoil has a lot to do with stock shape.

The feature at the rear of the pistol grip is offered by Verney-Carron. A mate wants it added to a 450/400 that he is after.

Edited by CptCurl (04/07/11 09:38 PM)

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: ozhunter]
#183879 - 16/06/11 06:30 PM

Ozhunter.

Would you believe that those stocks were modeled off a Rem 700 classic stock.

With my 9.3 that was first I asked Geoff Slee for a unfinished 700 classic stock with a Brno ZKK inlet and Daryl did the rest.

The 8x68 stock was copied from the 9.3 and just beefed up a little all over.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#188304 - 22/08/11 06:58 PM

Here is a photo of my 400 yard gong shot twice with my 8x68s loaded with 72 grains of 2209 and the 187 grain RWS H-Mantel.

About 20 inches of drop.

By fatboy404 at 2011-08-22

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#188305 - 22/08/11 07:11 PM

Nice. Might only be a 2 shot group but the followup shot is going to be close to the first and both straight down the middle. Good shooting Neale with a very nice rifle and calibre.

Cheers

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: Rule303]
#188307 - 22/08/11 07:41 PM

Thanks Greg.

The reason there is two shots is I fired one and then my mate asked if he could fire one.
Not bad as I am left handed and he right handed.

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Edited by FATBOY404 (23/08/11 06:34 AM)

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#188326 - 23/08/11 02:34 AM

Amazing shot placement for 2 different guys. I have the same situation with one of my friend. We could sight each other's rifles - that doesn't happen as often as one might think.

My brother and I are close to 3" apart at 100 meters - with a scoped rifle yet.

20" at 400 shows excellent range for that bullet - how high at 100?

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: DarylS]
#188339 - 23/08/11 06:39 AM

About 2.5 inches high at 100 yards Daryl.

I find I can shoot most right handers rifles and true up some of their rifles for them as they dont get a lot of time.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#189355 - 07/09/11 12:06 PM

that behind the grip stock feature was called a "chin strap" by some American custom stock maker, I can not recall who at the moment.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: buckbrush]
#189380 - 08/09/11 12:42 AM

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that behind the grip stock feature was called a "chin strap" by some American custom stock maker, I can not recall who at the moment.

Tom Shelhamer

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: buckbrush]
#190468 - 22/09/11 05:12 PM

Quote:

that behind the grip stock feature was called a "chin strap" by some American custom stock maker, I can not recall who at the moment.

It has been done before hey ?.

We thought it was a first. "nothing new under the sun" .

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#190498 - 23/09/11 12:44 AM

Very litte new at any rate - some muzzleloaders have had them - pistol gripped rifles, of course. That limits countries of origin and period, of course.

I'm sure I saw an English Sporting rifle of the 1850-60 period with that 'chin strap'- raised panel around the crip cap. Too, they were common on some plains rifles around the bottom of the cheek piece and behind the tangs.

Quite normal on Sharps as well, forward from the bottom of the action - that would put them 1874 through 1885 anyway.

This in no way, detracts from their form and good looks.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: DarylS]
#237044 - 24/10/13 01:44 PM

Shelhamer chin strap, signature treatment 1940 & on, named after Tom Shelhamer who did stock work for A.O. Niedner's shop in Dowagiac, Michigan. Have seen this same chin strap treatment on a Franz Sodia 98 Mauser from Ferlach that I have as well. I think it originated in Germany/Austria but was a signature detail used by Shelhamer after 1940 and became known as the Shelhamer chinstrap. It is a nice feature that make a custom stock stand out. I have been building up a 8x68S and should be shooting soon, Can't wait!

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#237080 - 25/10/13 10:08 AM

Very nice

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: FATBOY404]
#336055 - 02/01/20 09:44 AM

Quote:

Well I have got my 8x68s finnished.
It is built on a zkk 600 action opended up by a couple of mm's. I am loading 200 grain Woodleigh PP and Speers with 72 grains of 2209 with a c.o.l of 90mm for 3000 fps.

The barrel is a 26" #722 Lothar Walter supplied by Axel(HuntingSchneider)on NE.

All bits and pieces came from Greame Sraggon (0427319589)grip cap and sling swivels.

Daryl Stevens (0419772048) suppiled the timber and did all the stock work.

Hi Fatboy404

sorry for dragging up an old thread but maybe you could help.

You mentioned that you used a Lothar Walther #722 barrel for this build. I see on the Lothar Walther website they have pre-chambered / pre-fit #722 profile, 26" barrels threaded to suit M98 actions available. Is this the barrel used for this build or is the BRNO ZKK specific thread different to a M98?

I ask because I intend to re-barrel a ZKK 600 and am looking at grabbing on of these barrels in 9.3.

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: Rhodes]
#336094 - 03/01/20 09:41 AM

Hi Rhodes, I know the tread cut is definitely different. Also I know this rifle well and have shot it at Neale’s place. He did order the barrel as chambered but un-threaded for this reason. I know it is dearer to order one un-cut as they normally just thread them all for Mauser’s and it is considered a special order to get one chambered but not threaded.

Hope this helps

Steve

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: Viking338]
#336172 - 05/01/20 03:54 PM

Thanks Steve,

that's a big help. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I read Frank DeHaas' book and he suggests the BRNO action is based on the M98 but doesn't mention any thread difference. He also doesn't show a separate barrel stub drawing for the BRNO like he does for the other M98 derivatives so I wasn't sure.

I'm making inquiries with a barrel distributor at the moment and yes, he did mention the extra cost for a non shelf item (M98 thread) barrel. I'm just trying to find a profile now that will match the factory ZKK 600 barrel close enough to use the factory stock.

If Lothar Walther don't cut the ZKK thread I'll have a chat to the gunsmith when he gets back from holidays about cutting the threads to suit if I order an un-threaded barrel stub as you suggest.

Apologies again for the off topic thread dig everyone. Hopefully it will help someone taking on a similar project.

Cheers
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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: Rhodes]
#336174 - 05/01/20 04:57 PM

No worries Darren, glad to help. I think the #722 profile Neale ordered is very sexy on his rifle. I doubt you would go wrong with that profile.

Cheers

Steve

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: Viking338]
#336444 - 11/01/20 02:45 PM

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Donuts!

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: Viking338]
#336454 - 11/01/20 03:59 PM

Quote:

Hi Rhodes, I know the tread cut is definitely different. Also I know this rifle well and have shot it at Neale’s place. He did order the barrel as chambered but un-threaded for this reason. I know it is dearer to order one un-cut as they normally just thread them all for Mauser’s and it is considered a special order to get one chambered but not threaded.

Hope this helps

Steve

Hi Viking338, how is Neale going? Still in touch with him?

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Re: Brno zkk 600 in 8x68s. [Re: NitroX]
#336479 - 11/01/20 10:58 PM

Hi John, yes we talk every week and I go and stay with him several times a year (he lives seven hours from me). He works very hard at his new place of employment. He has gotten into hunting with a bow lately (as have I) to expand his hunting options and skills.

Kind regards
Steve

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