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Paul
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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: szihn]
      #163960 - 13/07/10 03:45 PM

Grenadier,
It would be handy to be able to substitute 300H&H ammo for the Weatherby if you ran out in Africa, despite the potential magazine problems. Does the same apply to the 375 Weatherby and H&H cartridges?

Ripp,
I wonder if the Boone & Crockett list really says it all. Maybe some .30/06 and .270 users had smaller egos and didn't bother to register their trophies

- Paul

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: Paul]
      #163961 - 13/07/10 04:03 PM

Yes, you can shoot 375H&H in a .375Wby rifle but not in a .378. That is the best way to make .375Wby cases. There are no magazine problems with either the 300 nor the 375. They are just "improved" cartridges based on the H&H rounds. I consider the 300Wby and 375Wby the best ideas Mr. Weatherby ever had but I still prefer the H&H cartridges in their original form.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: Grenadier]
      #163977 - 13/07/10 07:45 PM

Excellent answers, I have already resolved his doubts in terms of bullet weights. Thank you.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: Paul]
      #163995 - 14/07/10 12:18 AM

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Grenadier,
Ripp,
I wonder if the Boone & Crockett list really says it all. Maybe some .30/06 and .270 users had smaller egos and didn't bother to register their trophies

- Paul



Paul
while you are probably kidding, I really do believe, at least where I live, the 300 magnums are very very popular... when I am at the rifle range--there are ALWAYS people there shoooting one flavor of 300 or another...might not be true in other areas but where I live it certainly is..

dont think they will do that much more than a .06..but perception of most is that it will...

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: Ripp]
      #163998 - 14/07/10 12:45 AM

Ripp is 100% correct. Here's something most men miss:
Look at the velocity of a 30-06 and a 300 Weatherby at range. (we don't shoot animals at bayonet distance very often)
A 30-06 usually will start a 165 gr bullet at about 2800FPS The 300 will do it at 3200 FPS
At 145 yds the Weather bullet is as fast as the 06 bullet is at the muzzle.
So it's realistic to say a 300 Weatherby is the same as a 30-06 with an additional 145 yds in range.
Does that matter?
It may if you can CONSISTENTLY hit your game in the lungs at past 500 yds, but few hunter really can. Many claim they can, but if you put them to the test in a realistic way you find out different.
Such a test is to put 12 inch disks out at unknown ranges from 450 to about 800 yds on a hillside. Walk with you man and at your choosing tell him to shoot. no more then 2 rounds per target. No targets to be shot at from the same place as the last target. Every target to be fired at from a different place at a different range.

Shot 4 such targets from 4 positions using 8 rounds.
Now go get the targets and see how many are hit well.

A real good rifleman will hit over 50% of his shots Most hunters will land only 1 or sometimes 2 bullets on all those targets. Would a 300 mag help? No!
Will it hurt? No! (unless the extra recoil makes them flinch)

As I said before, the question is always about the shooter far more then it is the rifle.
I do now a few shooters that use black powder Sharps rifles in calibers that throw bullets at no more then 1400 FPS and they can hit over 50% of their shots on this test. But they KNOW THIER RIFLES AND HOW THEY SHOOT.

I have made a lot of long range shots with my 270 over the years, but that rifle is now on it's 3rd barrel. I shot the throats out of the first 2.
THAT'S the reason I got to be good at it. Not because I had some special rifle. Shooting a lot and trying to learn from every shot will do a lot more for you then buying a faster rifle.
Look at the records of USMC snipers in Viet Nam and even today. The 308 (7.62 NATO) with a 173 grain bullet is not exactly fast or flat compared to a 300 mag. But Marines sure made them count. In Viet Nam the average was 1.2 shots per kill on NVA and VC. Compared to 1 kill per 246,000 rounds for the other combatants of the war, 1.2 per kill sounds pretty good even with the "slow pokie" 308.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: szihn]
      #164000 - 14/07/10 01:05 AM

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Look at the records of USMC snipers in Viet Nam and even today. The 308 (7.62 NATO) with a 173 grain bullet is not exactly fast or flat compared to a 300 mag. But Marines sure made them count. In Viet Nam the average was 1.2 shots per kill on NVA and VC. Compared to 1 kill per 246,000 rounds for the other combatants of the war, 1.2 per kill sounds pretty good even with the "slow pokie" 308.



There is accuracy and there is power. Few can master the greater powered ctg. when launched in a hunting weight rifle and obtain the desired accuracy, accuracy that can be obtained with a less 'powerful' ctg.

They are very much better off with an adequate round that gives them an accuracy advantage or edge. Too much importance today, is heaped upon trajectory and not enough on stressing to use an adequate round that you can shoot accurately. Too much emphasis is placed upon the round's ability to kill game well beyond the range most if not all people should be shooting. Really long ranges and big game leads to wounded & lost game. Anytime an amimal can take a step or two between the sear's tripping and the bullet's arrival, the range is too great. And that is for someone with the skill to hit properly at that range, which describes very few people indeed.

Power does not kill better than an adequate round placed accurately, it merely gives an advantage in trajectory beyond the 'accuracy' range of most people, when game is the quarry.

It is a rare hunter today who can shoot into a pie plate sized target at a range of 200yards from hunting positions at a range let alone when hunting in the field. Some are hard pressed to do this at even 100 yards.

The magnums do not help such a hunter one iota, they merely kick him harder making the requisite accuracy even more difficult to obtain as well as costing more to feed.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: szihn]
      #164015 - 14/07/10 04:09 AM

Quote:

Here's something most men miss:
Look at the velocity of a 30-06 and a 300 Weatherby at range. (we don't shoot animals at bayonet distance very often)
A 30-06 usually will start a 165 gr bullet at about 2800FPS The 300 will do it at 3200 FPS
At 145 yds the Weather bullet is as fast as the 06 bullet is at the muzzle.
So it's realistic to say a 300 Weatherby is the same as a 30-06 with an additional 145 yds in range.
Does that matter?



Yes, shooting a 300 magnum just does at 150 yards what the 30-06 does at the muzzle.
But shooting the 30-06 just does at 150 yards what the 30-30 does at the muzzle.
And shooting the 30-30 does at 150 yards what the .30 Carbine does at the muzzle.
But shooting the .30 Carbine just does at 150 yards what shooting the .32-20 does at the muzzle.
And shooting the .32-20 just does at 150 yards what shooting the .30 Luger does at the muzzle.

So, as long as we can put our shots in a 12" circle, we might as well hunt with the .30 Luger because most deer are shot under 150 yards. Make sense?

The 30-06 has an excellent track record as a deer killer for several hundred yards. And accuracy with any round is paramount. Nevertheless, if I was hunting deer and there was a good chance my shot would need to be at 150 yards or more, I'd rather be carrying a 300 magnum then a 30-06. The 300 magnums do have their place.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: Grenadier]
      #164168 - 15/07/10 04:41 AM

Well no......
a 30-06 with a 165 is about the same at 300 yds as a 30-30 with a 170 grain is at the muzzle. (not at 150 yds)
So that's a 450 yd difference between the 300 Weatherby and the 30-30

A 30-30 will shoot a 110 grain bullet at 2600 FPS so it's the same at 100 yds as 30 carbine is at the muzzle.

So that's an additional 100 yds, bringing us to 550 yds, ----- and with 55 grains less bullet.


A 30 carbine will shoot a 110 grain bullet at 2100 FPS and so it's the same velocity at 200 yds as a 30 Mauser is at the muzzle, but with 30 grains more bullet weight on the Carbine bullet.
So now we have a comparison of the Weatherby shell and the 30 Mauser shell being about the same velocity at 750 yds and with less then half the bullet weight on the side of the Mauser shell.....

Look at any good set of ballistic tables and you'll find these figures to be pretty close.

It's a compairison, ----------- but I fail to see what the point is.

Will a 30 Mauser kill a deer if hit through the lungs with an 80 grain soft point?
Absolutely! As long as it goes clear through the vitals, so obviously it's not going to do that from extreme long range, but at any range it hit a deer AND expanded, AND went through both lungs, I'd guess that we'd have about a 99% chance of killing the deer.

In fact, so will a 22 LR. I know men in California and Idaho that have done it literally hundreds of times. We killed probably 500 cattle with a 22 when i worked at a slaughter house in nevada when I was a kid. So what? It doesn't make a 22 a good buffalo gun. Those kills were not done in a HUNT! The cattle didn't have any way to aviod the shot, and the shooter got to pick the range (about 8 inches) and the angle of the shot.

I have killed an elk with a thin wood stick with a blade of only 1 1/4" width on the end, (called an arrow) and so have hundreds of elk hunters in Wyoming every year.
An arrow launched off a 100 pound compound bow has less energy then a 22 long rifle with a 40 grain solid.

A 380 ACP fired from a 2" barrel shoots FAR flatter then any arrow shot from any hunting bow too.

So again........ is there a real point here ????

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: szihn]
      #164234 - 15/07/10 11:30 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Grenadier,
Ripp,
I wonder if the Boone & Crockett list really says it all. Maybe some .30/06 and .270 users had smaller egos and didn't bother to register their trophies

- Paul



Paul
while you are probably kidding, I really do believe, at least where I live, the 300 magnums are very very popular... when I am at the rifle range--there are ALWAYS people there shoooting one flavor of 300 or another...might not be true in other areas but where I live it certainly is..

dont think they will do that much more than a .06..but perception of most is that it will...

Ripp



Thanks Ripp,
With all the various 300 magnums (magna?) around now, they probably are leaving the .30/06 and .270 behind. And so they should - if you want to make long shots (and increased hunting pressure must make the game more wary) it helps to use a flatter-shooting rifle. I don't own such a rifle yet but may get one soon to chase tahr and chamois in NZ, though a 7mm mag might be plenty for that.

Cheers
- Paul

Edited by Paul (15/07/10 11:44 PM)

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: szihn]
      #174398 - 29/01/11 08:19 PM

Hello, I have got my Weatherby Vanguard, and I want to put some pictures of it. I´m sorry because the photos are very bad.

Regards,

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: ovny]
      #174399 - 29/01/11 08:47 PM

Oscar, when are you taking it out to shoot ? and where ? best, Mike

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #174411 - 30/01/11 01:30 AM

Hello, because when I have ammo, I'll find a corner of the field, where it is safe and I'll try to see that such groups. And I try the scope, which is a bit mediocre but came with the rifle (was on sale). I'll tell you.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: ovny]
      #174413 - 30/01/11 03:41 AM

Oscar, is there not a rifle range in Madrid ? It is ridiculous in Spain, 37% of males own firearms and my nearest rifle range is 300 miles away !! Everyone practices illegally, why do we have to do this. I sent a letter to the mayor of my province last week offering to build a small range (3 booths, 2 at 100 metres and one at 50, it would cost me next to nothing) if he will give me the space. There are 12000 hectares of pine forest behind me. I am waiting to hear but bureacracy is a nightmare, best but frustrated, Mike

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #174415 - 30/01/11 03:51 AM

Hello, yes there are rifle ranges, but I have to be an associate to be able to use them and the quota is quite expensive, so if I can I am useful to pull when it goes of minor fighter. There are quarries where there is not I am in danger of shooting.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: szihn]
      #175100 - 08/02/11 07:06 PM

Hello, a question in reference with 300 Weatherby. My Weatherby Vanguard in the above-mentioned caliber is going to be with the one that tries to hunt some day a roebuck, I know that it is excessive for the above mentioned cervids, but my question is: what top do you advise me?, for other forums Nosler Partition of 180 they have advised me grains, but I know that there are tops of minor weight as the Spitzer of 150 grains: what seems to you?

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: ovny]
      #175208 - 10/02/11 07:09 AM

165 grain is enough for any animal. We use 180 grain bullets more for moose and bears. It is more than enough for any deer at any distance you can ethically shoot.

I have used a 150 grain bullet. Just be sure it is well constructed as it will be moving very fast. You do not need a heavy bullet for a small animal of 20-40 kgs.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: 577500WR]
      #175257 - 10/02/11 08:02 PM

I am going to use the weight of 150 grains for the roebuck and of 180 grains for the wild boar and the European deer (it is the one that we have in Spain), the configuration of the bullet will be Spire Point for the bullet of 150 grains and Nosler Partition for 180 grains. I believe that it is a good election,

Grace for your help,

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: ovny]
      #175268 - 11/02/11 12:06 AM

Why not the 220 and 240 grain projectiles for near range game, not so much velocity? Also how do you reduce the recoil in the .300 Wby?

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: szihn]
      #175481 - 14/02/11 06:09 AM

Hello. They have spoken to me very well about Nosler Partition, the hunters who have 300 Weatherby Magnum say that they expire very well with the wild boar.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: ovny]
      #175484 - 14/02/11 07:24 AM

Down here Oscar when you don´t know what will come over the top, in .30-06, 180 grain Noslers seem to be the bullet of choice, maybe a bit big but better than a bit small if a 150kg Jabali is coming at you !

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: Mike_Bailey]
      #175506 - 14/02/11 08:24 PM

I think that 180 grains is a weight much adapted for the wild boar, I when I take me 338 Winchester Magnum use top Power Point of 200 grains.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: szihn]
      #190400 - 21/09/11 10:31 PM

A rifle scope that has 10 cm of eye relief is a must on a .300 Weatherby. A fixed 6 by 42 mm Leupold being one of my favorites because fixed power scopes are MUCH tougher and lighter than variable power riflescopes. The eye relief is about as good as it gets. A 3.5x 10 by 40 mm Leupold, a 2.5x 10 Nikon, and a 3x9 by 40 Zeiss Conquest are variable scopes I would trust on such a rifle. And they all have 10 cm of eye relief.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: albertan]
      #190683 - 25/09/11 11:35 AM

I had one in a German Mk V back in the 1970's took it moose hunting twice in 72 and 73. Its a great cartridge if you can shoot it well enough. I found while I liked it, after that moose hunt in 73 it sat in my gun rack for 20 years. I picked it up again and shot it twice and sold it. The Fellow that wanted it, paid a premium price for it, being a german one. Those two shots hit pretty much where it was hitting when I last shot it. If it was keeping me up at night, I would get a barrel so chambered for my Blaser. 7mm RM is more that enough cartridge for the hunting I do, heck I do most of my current hunting with a 7 x 57 and at time feel like I am shooting way more powerful than what is needed. 90 lb White Tail's don't take much.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: gmsemel]
      #191563 - 10/10/11 07:38 PM

Certainly my next cartridge rifle will be a 270 Winchester. It´s a nice cartridge, powerful, and soft of shoot. But I have to save money to it and now I want to reloading the 300 Weatherby so my other dream has to hope. It´s a pity be poor.

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Re: About 300 Weatherby Magnum [Re: ovny]
      #191592 - 11/10/11 02:21 AM

Here, the .30./06's, .308's and 7mm Rem Mags. outnumber all 300mags. put together.

The '06 is probably the most popular in the fall with the sighter-inners - with .303's second most popular, then .270's, 7mm mags,.308's, .300 mags, then various other ctgs. the odd lead sled-equipped shooter with an ultramag.

Tied for the most brass underfoot, would be the .223 Fed brass and the 7,62x39 steel cases. The Mounties leave the .223 Fed cases and I've only ever seen one shooter with an SKS - but their brass counts in the thousands.

Friend of mine has a .300 WTBY - loves it - a factory Remington 700. This rifle loves IMR7828 and using Speer's data - for some reason produces more velocity than it should. We've checked this on 2 other chronographs, a Chrony Beta Master and a PACT timer - as well as Gord's Chrony. They, all 3 machines agree - 200gr. Nosler Partitions at average 3,240fps. The books have now about all dropped that loading, but he still uses it- about 82.0gr. 7828 - Speer #9, I think. He's been shooting it since then. His brass is lasting 4 times longer than most people's belted mags so the load seems OK in his rifle. Obviously, he has a 'fast' barrel & doesn't oversize his brass - partial FL sizing is all.

He owns/wants this rifle for long range shooting, but the deer and black bears he shoots most every year are invariably 60yards or closer. He normally uses head shots and it kills quickly - most game looking like that bobcat/like critter Neale shot and posted in his 9.3x62 thread.

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