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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: DarylS]
      #164820 - 24/07/10 01:28 AM

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I don't care what that chart says - 123gr. bullet at 2,300fps is not a 300yards Caribou round, let alone a moose and elk round at any range. That's ridiculous in my opinion. Good Lord - it's a pop gun. It is much LESS powerful than a .30/30, and generally not as accurate as a M94 lever action, either. Spray and pray with large capacity clips - carry lots.



To my mind 30-30 and 7.62x39 so near each other...
I know very much many people which have on an account murder of bears, elk and wild boars.
My personal experience it wild babany to 150kg. on distance from 50 to 150 meters.


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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: kaizer2007]
      #181198 - 10/05/11 04:51 AM

http://youtu.be/GyDlV5Lhoyk

http://youtu.be/ooIaFXaBbyw

http://www.ipsc.org.ua/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3631&start=160
http://www.ipsc.org.ua/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5326

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: kaizer2007]
      #181458 - 13/05/11 12:53 PM

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http://youtu.be/GyDlV5Lhoyk

http://youtu.be/ooIaFXaBbyw






I sure dont think either of these two would have a hope in hell of taking anything at 300yds with what seems to be unfamiliarity with the rifle shown.

Von Gruff.

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: VonGruff]
      #183812 - 16/06/11 02:48 AM

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Quote:

http://youtu.be/GyDlV5Lhoyk

http://youtu.be/ooIaFXaBbyw






I sure dont think either of these two would have a hope in hell of taking anything at 300yds with what seems to be unfamiliarity with the rifle shown.

Von Gruff.




300yds for SKS not problem.
100yds 7,62x39 decides a question with a wild boar 100kg..


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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: kaizer2007]
      #183941 - 17/06/11 01:59 AM

I know people who think the .22 Hornet is a wonderful deer ctg. as well. I just don't happen to agree.

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: DarylS]
      #183947 - 17/06/11 02:24 AM

I used to have an SKK in 7.62x39 but lost it when we had semi-auto confiscations in Australia thanks to our anti-gun government.

Never used anything other than FMJ ammo in it, sometimes with the tips filed off. Wasn't that effective on game, due to the FMJ performance.

Can't see why it wouldn't be equal to a .30/30 with proper bullets and maybe better if spitzer projectiles are used.

BTW still have several thousand FMJ 7.62x39 ammo and may have to buy a bolt action to use it in. Perhaps a Zastava Mini M98 or even better a AIA so I can use the SKK's magazines.

I reckon with good 125 gr ammo it would do OK on smaller deer, pigs and goats, roos not a problem. At shorter ranges.

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: NitroX]
      #183950 - 17/06/11 03:05 AM

7.62x39 near on parameters to to .30/30-fact.
Yes-the best distance for firing to 100m..
At cartridges 7.62x39 there are bullets SP(154grn.) and HV(124grn.).



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I used to have an SKK in 7.62x39 but lost it when we had semi-auto confiscations in Australia thanks to our anti-gun government.

Never used anything other than FMJ ammo in it, sometimes with the tips filed off. Wasn't that effective on game, due to the FMJ performance.

Can't see why it wouldn't be equal to a .30/30 with proper bullets and maybe better if spitzer projectiles are used.

BTW still have several thousand FMJ 7.62x39 ammo and may have to buy a bolt action to use it in. Perhaps a Zastava Mini M98 or even better a AIA so I can use the SKK's magazines.

I reckon with good 125 gr ammo it would do OK on smaller deer, pigs and goats, roos not a problem. At shorter ranges.




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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: NitroX]
      #183993 - 17/06/11 04:08 PM

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BTW still have several thousand FMJ 7.62x39 ammo and may have to buy a bolt action to use it in. Perhaps a Zastava Mini M98 or even better a AIA so I can use the SKK's magazines.






the AIA must be a real dandy rifle if you make a look alike Lee Speed from it

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: lancaster]
      #184024 - 18/06/11 12:45 AM

CZ makes or made the Model 527 in 7.62x39.

Been told that some of the military laquered steel case ammo is marked corrosively primed - others not.

I'm not against the ctg., just "in use that is perhaps that above it's station".

I do not see it as a 300yard ctg. for anything, let alone 300meters. At 100, with something other than a semi-auto, like the CZ, I can see it as a small deer or small pig round. I would not go purposely hunting black bears with one as I prefer more gun - that's a positive.

I have a rifle, chambered for a round I'd come up with back in 1982 that I called the .30/03 (or .30/35) (based on a shortened .303 or .35 Rem case = same base diameter) The rimmed for a magnum bolt, the rimless for a standard bolt.

I used the top 1 1/2" of a .30/06 reamer to cut the chamber. It is quite similar to the 7.62x39, as it is short, but has a .308" groove diameter to use standard bullets and a 12" twist all in a 1.6" long case.

The one I developed puts a 125gr. Speer out at 2,950fps, a 165gr. bullet out at 2,460fps & a 180gr. bullet out at 2,250fps. I have always considered this to be a 300yard Deer, black bear-caribou type of round, OK for moose and elk to about 150yards, maybe 200. This rifle makes sub 1/2" groups with all bullet weights at 100 meters.

It is considerably more powderful than the 7.62X39's 123gr. at 2,300fps(or less).

The standard comparrison is to a .30/30 - lets have a look, shall we?

A 30/30 can put a 170gr. bullet out a 20" barrel at 2,200fps to 2,330fps at 40,500CUP from a 24" bl. Richard Lee's handloading book shows 125gr. at 2,643fps producing 35,4000CUP & 150gr. at 2,450fps at 40,600CUP - a far cry from the 7.62x39 I think, but then, that's just me, sometimes a stickler for the smaller details like actual ballistics delivered.

In the .308" calibre, 125gr. and lighter bullets are used mostly for target shooting, bench rest or position competition at short ranges in the .30 BR, .308x1 1/2-type ctgs. or for shooting gophers using same ctgs. or others like the .308 and .30/06 by those who use the same guns for competition - I was one of those way back, using 110gr. Sierras and 125gr. Speers in my .308, then .30 BR, then this 'new' .30/03. The big game bullets pretty much started at 130gr., a Spire point made by Hornady, but these, due to soft jackets, were small deer bullets and were also designed for .30 cal. rifle ctg. in pistols - simply put, they were bullets for shooting runt deer, like in Texas.

After hearing all the stories about how tough hogs are, and after shooting the SKS round at the range, I'd be inclined to not hunt hogs with one. 100 pounds or less - I guess OK, 300 pounds with teeth - let me think this through - uh, no? could it be done, yes - the question for me, is should it be done?

Please pass me a real rifle chambered for a big game round. sorry - 7.62x39's are not my cup of tea when big game is on the menue. I see them as novelty rounds & guns, as in "lets see if I can kill THIS animal with THIS round - got to be careful now & make a perfect shot."

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: NitroX]
      #184053 - 18/06/11 10:59 AM

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BTW still have several thousand FMJ 7.62x39 ammo and may have to buy a bolt action to use it in. Perhaps a Zastava Mini M98 or even better a AIA so I can use the SKK's magazines.




Yes the AIA would be ideal, but they don't seem to be producing them in this cartridge anymore - pity. I think there are production issues even with the 308Win version. Not technical issues but they just aren't being made to demand, but that's part of the problem - the new versions are quite expensive (a couple hundred bucks more than the CZ). The Zastava is much cheaper and represents better value for money IMO, if a new rifle was being considerred and the SKK magazine compatibility wasn't a consideration.

Second-hand AIAs in 7.62x39 are hard to find.


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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #184243 - 20/06/11 07:30 PM

G'Day Fella's,

There is also another Bolt Gun option available, in this cartridge!

After a couple of failed attempts, last week I finally purchased a second hand Norinco made, Model 701 rifle in 7.62 x 39 (apparently, they were also made in .308 Win and .??? Magnum)!
This Chinese made rifle is a copy of the Pre 64 Winchester Model 70, but the bottom of the action, the magazine box, mag spring and follower, have been machined and made to suit this cartridge.
It has a Hard Chrome lined, Four groove barrel of 0.3125" groove diameter. The hard chrome helps to protect the bore from the ravages of steel jacketed military bullets and corrosive ammo.

I hope to use this rifle, as a test bed for some Subsonic loaded ammo (using Trail Boss Powder) and some 150(.308") and 180 grain(.311") jacketed bullets. I would also like to get a bullet mould in 174 or 220grain, for the .303 British and have a bugger around with this as well!

Why any body would want to reinvent the wheel, with the .300 Whisper, when there was already a cartridge available to do the Same Thing in the Same (M16/M4) Rifle?
The M43 (Thats for 1943). Better known as the 7.62 x 39!
It really is, A Great Little Cartridge!!!

Hope this helps

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: Homer]
      #184251 - 20/06/11 10:52 PM

Ruger also made 7.62x39 Compacts. I want one. Discontinued for this year I believe. And of course others, Mini-30, etc.

We had very good results on deer, some big 200+ lb whitetails with the 7.62x39. I would consider it an excellent whitetail round, and would use it on black bear, too and even elk if I had a setup shot over a wallow or something like that.

Gazillions of hogs are killed with the round in the USA. Many pig shooters find it excellent especially in the handy rifles like the Mini-30.

One thing that must be remembered when using the 120-something bullets on game is that the velocity does not do to the bullet what .30'06 velocities do to similar bullets. We got excellent penetration with the 123 grain Hornady bullets and even shot some with Wolf HP's. Also used the caliber on "dogs" both coyote and feral domestic. I like the round. Little recoil, capable of excellent accuracy.

I loved/hated my CZ527. Very accurate, great trigger, just would feed worth a darn. Sold it.

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: 9.3x57]
      #184270 - 21/06/11 05:32 AM

I have also an eye on the ruger mini 30 but as a project for a pc sporter in .50 beowulf

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: lancaster]
      #184275 - 21/06/11 07:56 AM

If you can find a good one with a decent trigger,you can hunt with them,if not it's a spray and pray....which I did alot...


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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: Phillip]
      #184291 - 21/06/11 08:05 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Phillip, sounds like you were having some fun!
By the way, that's very fashionable footwear!!!

9.3, prior to some sawn off runt of a political animal (FJWH), making it clear, he no longer trusted us with our SKS rifles in Australia, it was my all time favorite (Out West), Pig Huntin Rifle!
As I have previously relayed to you all on this forum. We used to chase pigs on motor cycles, with the rifle, in a scabbard down the front forks of the bike. We used Chinese Ex-Military ammo and it done a very good job on the porkers!

Ah, those were the days!!!

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: Homer]
      #184295 - 21/06/11 09:15 PM

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Ah, those were the days!!!




I remember them well too:







(Faces are obscured to protect the ugly )


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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: mauserand9mm]
      #184301 - 22/06/11 12:22 AM

Mauser - those pigglets are the perfect size for that round. I hadn't considered runts and badies when I said it was not a 'pig' or 'hog' rifle. I guess there are pigs, and then, there are 'pigs'.

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: DarylS]
      #184302 - 22/06/11 12:57 AM

A lot of feral pigs in Southern Australia can be quite small. A lot of guys used to use 22 Mags (inadequate) but also .222's, .22/250s etc. A .243 is good too.

Some of the Southern pigs can get quite large however.

Northern Australia, to my experience often has a greater proportion and incidence of large pigs.

So a 7.62x39 is quite OK for many of our feral pigs. And with proper bullets and placement, also will handle the larger ones too.

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Re: Bullet - SKS 1953 years, the USSR 7.62 x 39 . [Re: NitroX]
      #184323 - 22/06/11 08:49 AM

The piglets were part of a large mob that we decimated with the two M14s. They were located away from the main group as they were the last targets we focused on. Man, those little things can run and weave fast! But not fast enough heh...heh...heh...(evil laugh)

I know a guy that killed a medium size pig with his 17HMR - head shot of course. I also understand that they used to shoot buffalo in the spine from horseback using 303s. Personally I prefer to be overgunned these days


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