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Caliber's choice for hunting
      #130765 - 29/03/09 08:16 PM

The choice of cartridges for hunting seem be a big problem! In my opinion for hunting all game on the planet Earth, from dik-dik to elefant, you need 3 rifles! If you can get only 3 rifles, and not more, what would be your choice of caliber's and cartridge's?
What would be your choice?
You may choose 3
Light rifle
Medium rifle
Heavy rifle


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130766 - 29/03/09 08:24 PM

It's not a vote! I want only your opinion and may be the reason for your choice!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130768 - 29/03/09 08:37 PM

With recent legislation (?) from the UK affecting travel with contemporary military calibres/cartridges, I'll try ... (shotguns excluded as it asks for rifles):

Light: .243W

Medium: 7x57

Heavy: .404J


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: tophet1]
      #130769 - 29/03/09 08:44 PM

250 Savage or 257R

30-06

404J (300gn/350gn/400gn)

otherwise only 2 if ammo was an issue

30-06

404J


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: tophet1]
      #130772 - 29/03/09 09:22 PM

You need a rifle for long range shooting on heavy mountain game, like Argali or Marco polo, at 400 yards, and sometimes more!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: kamilaroi]
      #130773 - 29/03/09 09:23 PM

The same problem that Trophet1!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130774 - 29/03/09 09:28 PM

I'd rely on the 7x57 for mountain hunting. It was good enough for The Prince of Iran.

I won't be doing much mountain hunting 'cause I'm old and fat. But I will watch my young bloke with a spotting scope from the base .....


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: tophet1]
      #130775 - 29/03/09 09:34 PM

May be for the prince of Iran, but not for normal hunter's! You have not enough power at long range with a 7x57, and poor ballistic! The cartridge is very accurate, that's right!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: tophet1]
      #130776 - 29/03/09 09:46 PM

In my opinion, a good combination is, may be, following: 270Winch., 340WM, 416Rigby (or 416WM)!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130777 - 29/03/09 09:52 PM

light: 7x57

medium: 450/400 3.25"

heavy: 20/577 aka light nitro

best

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: peter]
      #130778 - 29/03/09 09:55 PM

Same problem, impossible to shot heavy mountain game!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130781 - 29/03/09 10:16 PM

If you want a calibre for shooting heavy mountain game how does a .300 (anything) magnum sound ? Is that the answer you are looking for ?

I thought I answered the original query about 3 rifles for everything on the plant. Those are the three I would choose. They won't do everything perfectly. I would submit nothing will do everything perfectly. My choice is a compromise I would be prepared to make. I have never hunted mountain game and probably never will. The nearest 'mountain' to me is over 120km away.

I do think the question of which calibre for shooting heavy mountain game is an interesting one. I would like to hear what others with far more experience in 'vertical' hunting would suggest.

Perhaps a different Topic would be in order.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: tophet1]
      #130782 - 29/03/09 10:39 PM

choices available to me are;

270 Win. as light rifle. while not exactly ideal for elk, it is quite effective with precise shooting.
9.3X64 for medium. it's a fairly heavy rifle but in a pinch would do for mountain hunting.
416 Rem. for the heavy.
not sure why, but just sold my 338 WM which would fit in there nicely.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: rscott]
      #130783 - 29/03/09 10:45 PM

Good! 9,3x64 is a good choice for a medium rifle, and long range is possible, but a little big marginal in high mountain's ( i try to do that with poor results!). 338Winch.Mag. is better!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130788 - 29/03/09 11:54 PM

I have and use this set up. Rifles are WBY Mark V's
.240 ULW
.30'06 LW
.375 H&H DeLuxe

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Caprivi]
      #130790 - 30/03/09 12:09 AM

A very good balance, but on the light side!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130792 - 30/03/09 12:30 AM

I miss the opinion of the hunters of New Zeeland! They have a lot of high mountain's and big game!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130800 - 30/03/09 01:02 AM

actually the 450/400 3,25" with a 300grains is not half bad in the long range department.

any weatherby cartg. revolts me in the same way as young new rich russians driving a ferrai with the sound system so loud that they have to roll the windows down.

if you cant reach out far enough crawl closer or shoot more so you get to know your bullet drop better. the old guys could do it, why should we be any worse.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: peter]
      #130801 - 30/03/09 01:05 AM

OK! The 450/400 is a cartridge for double's! I never saw a hunter with a double in central Asia!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130804 - 30/03/09 01:07 AM

grandveneur,
My choices would be a .243 Winchester for a light rifle, the .300 Winchester Magnum for a medium rifle and a .458 Lott for the heavy end stuff. Bob H.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #130806 - 30/03/09 01:12 AM

A good balance! The 300Winch.Mag. is, in my opinion a little bit too light for medium game at long range!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130810 - 30/03/09 01:27 AM

grandveneur,
I don't know what sort of mediaum game the .300 would be too light for, but if necessary, I do have the previously mentioned .350 Remington Magnum. It will handle the heavier bullets,(250 grains and up), better than the .300 will, but it will only do it out to 250 yards or so. I guess my choices were determined by what I would hunt and the guns I chose are the ones I feel I can shoot well. The longer ranges are where I think the .300 would really shine! There have been many heavy bodied Elk shot at terribly long distances with the .300, further in fact than I feel I would ever try and shoot. Moose are generally not shot at long distance and I know the .300 will handle them, O.K. The .300 is about ideal for Bighorned Sheep or Antelope, which are said to take alot of killing power to put down. Those are the only long distance game animals that I would ever hunt with a "medium" rifle.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #130811 - 30/03/09 01:33 AM

For sheep's or goat's, the .300's work very well! For bigger game, like maral in central Asia, i had bad experience with .300's (and 180gr. bullet's!). I prefere the .338 caliber's and 250gr. bullet's!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130815 - 30/03/09 01:46 AM

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OK! The 450/400 is a cartridge for double's! I never saw a hunter with a double in central Asia!




you should keep better company then

you can also chamber it in really nice single shots, and still keep away from bolt trash.


peter

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130816 - 30/03/09 01:47 AM

Light: .300 H&H Magnum
Medium: .375 H&H Magnum
Heavy: .458 Winchester Magnum, .500 Jeffery or .500 NE

If I were to add one more, it would be a 7X57 for smaller plains game.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #130820 - 30/03/09 01:54 AM

Good combination! I have a 300H&H and i like it! But for mountain hunting i prefere my 340WM!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #130825 - 30/03/09 02:15 AM

Do it all with one rifle - .375H&H or .375 Ruger in factory rifles, .375/06 AckImp for wildcat - 2 bullet weights, 3 bullets adjusted for game - 300gr. softs and solids as 2,450fps to 2,550fps, 250gr. TSX @ 2,700fps to 2,900fps for all plains game.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Daryl_S]
      #130827 - 30/03/09 02:18 AM

That's right! 375H&H is may be a universal cartridge! I dont have one but i respect this cartridge!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130830 - 30/03/09 02:24 AM

If I was only allowed 3 rifles EVER I would probably have to choose a .223, a .30-06 and a .375H&H. As long as I could reload, it would be a bit dull but not too much of a hardship. If I wanted to hunt in France or anywhere that banned military calibres I guess I'd still be able to take the .375?

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #130832 - 30/03/09 02:28 AM

Yes! In France you can only use your 375H&H! For the high mountain's you need a another one! That's the problem for all people!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130834 - 30/03/09 02:32 AM

Quote:

A good balance! The 300Winch.Mag. is, in my opinion a little bit too light for medium game at long range!




Disagree totally with your opinion...and basing my opinion on what I have actually shot, not hear say..as stated in another post regarding mountain rifles...

If one uses the proper bullet and shot placement is correct, a 300 Win will kill cleanly ANY animal that walks the mountains anywhere in the world. As in a lot of these threads, much of this is subjective to the ability of the hunter/shooter, bullet construction, etc...

Guess my point is,if you place a shot through the lungs or heart of any animal, they are going to die, period. Quite often, as often published, the hunter makes a poor shot and then the caliber gets blamed..remember reading on another thread on this site of a hunter that had gone to Africa and used a 340 Weatherby for plains game---wounded an animal, and then blamed the caliber..BS, is what that is...he made a crappy shot....

As to calibers:

Light--I would used a.257 Weatherby--flat shooting, small enought for little guys and large enough to take an elk if needed...fact is, Roy Weatherby used one to take a cape buffalo, an extreme example but done none the less..really not much more extreme than a .275 used for elephant..

Medium--300 or 338 Ultra-mag----can handle up to anything below elephant if needed...

Heavy---.416 is my favorite--but if limited to just one would probably choose the .458 Lott.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #130836 - 30/03/09 02:35 AM

When i look to the forum i can see there are no problem's to select a rifle for light game or for heavy/big game! The problem is what i use for shooting medium game or mountain game at long range?

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Ripp]
      #130838 - 30/03/09 02:36 AM

My opinion!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #130840 - 30/03/09 02:41 AM

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Light: .300 H&H Magnum
Medium: .375 H&H Magnum
Heavy: .458 Winchester Magnum, .500 Jeffery or .500 NE




Just about perfect!
The only change I would make is taking the .500Jeff over the .458.
With that change, your choices are creeping up on the 100yr old mark! NICE!
Of course, these can, and have, taken virtually every game species on Earth!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Huvius]
      #130842 - 30/03/09 02:43 AM

A good choice, when you prefere .300 caliber's to .338!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130846 - 30/03/09 02:52 AM

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Yes! In France you can only use your 375H&H! For the high mountain's you need a another one! That's the problem for all people!



You mean in France? Elsewhere I'd be fine with a .30-06 suitably loaded


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130850 - 30/03/09 03:56 AM

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My opinion!




Have no problem with your opinion..merely stating I don't agree with your analogy...

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Ripp]
      #130870 - 30/03/09 08:41 AM

It seems a question was asked and some very good answers were given but Grandveneur has dissagreed with most. Maybe he should just state his choice and be done with it. The choices men make are a subjective thing based on where and what they intend or would like to hunt and no-one knowingly makes bad choices. All the choices I have seen would be workable battery's within the paremeters of the question unless shots were taken that were marginable under the circumstances and a HUNTER would not take those. I would hunt anything anywhere in New Zealand and elsewhere with the 7x57 and with proper loading will take all game animals I might want to tkae it against. Know your rifle and its trajectory and you can do what needs to be done. The 404 will take care of the rest. Something else in the 222 clas would round it out and for me I would use my 20 VarTarg.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: VonGruff]
      #130899 - 30/03/09 05:10 PM

Light: .22rf - Need one for pests & small game.

Medium: .270 Win. - Good for anything in North America except the big nasties that can shred you to pieces.

Heavy: .375 H&H or Ruger - If you can't kill it with a .375 it doesn't need killing.

With these three I could hunt the world.

My only qualifications would be that the .270 & .375 would be shooting my handloads.

If the .22rf is not really part of the equation I would drop it and add a .223 for some varminting.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #130901 - 30/03/09 05:44 PM

6.5x54
9.3x64
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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: ozhunter]
      #130902 - 30/03/09 05:48 PM

.275 Rigby
.333 Jeffery
.505 Gibbs

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: RLI]
      #130915 - 30/03/09 08:50 PM

1. -
2. 9,3X74R (230gr-300gr for hunting)
3. 475 No2 (fighting - assaulting/defending)


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: 93mouse]
      #134114 - 01/05/09 09:22 PM

1. 7mm mag with 160-175 grain woodleigh or nosler partition or - Rudolf Sand used 7X61 super for 281 species, even ibex, marco polo and markhor (270 win is also one of my favourites)
2. 375 H&H - I've used this for roe deer, fallow, capericaillie(urogallus urogallus) and larger animals
3. 416 Rigby or 404 Jeffery

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Yochanan]
      #134116 - 01/05/09 09:55 PM

22rf and 404 Jeffrey.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Ripp]
      #134140 - 02/05/09 12:29 AM

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Roy Weatherby used one to take a cape buffalo, an extreme example but done none the less..really not much more extreme than a .275 used for elephant..


Ripp




Ripp - did you see the picture of Roy with that Cape Buffalo? It was on his catolog back in the 70's with him pointing at the gash wound his .257 made on the Buffalo's hip. Unfortunately, his claim to killing with hydrostatic shock didn't quite fit to the double .470 holes in the shoulder. I guess they didn't think anyone would notice. I did. I-too think, witht he proepr bullets, the .257 Weatherby or .300 mags would be just fine as would a .257 Roberts or .25/06. It all comes down to the bullet and it's placement. We carry heavier guns to sort out the odd problems that occur.

Someone who doesn't do a lot of shooting, some of which is at long range, has no buisness in shooting long range, no matter what they are shooting.

As you said, the bullet or the ctg. gets the blame - EVERY TIME and this happens way to often.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Daryl_S]
      #134145 - 02/05/09 12:52 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Roy Weatherby used one to take a cape buffalo, an extreme example but done none the less..really not much more extreme than a .275 used for elephant..


Ripp




Ripp - did you see the picture of Roy with that Cape Buffalo? It was on his catolog back in the 70's with him pointing at the gash wound his .257 made on the Buffalo's hip. Unfortunately, his claim to killing with hydrostatic shock didn't quite fit to the double .470 holes in the shoulder. I guess they didn't think anyone would notice. I did. I-too think, witht he proepr bullets, the .257 Weatherby or .300 mags would be just fine as would a .257 Roberts or .25/06. It all comes down to the bullet and it's placement. We carry heavier guns to sort out the odd problems that occur.

Someone who doesn't do a lot of shooting, some of which is at long range, has no buisness in shooting long range, no matter what they are shooting.

As you said, the bullet or the ctg. gets the blame - EVERY TIME and this happens way to often.




Daryl,

I did see that picture--a really good friend of mine is a Weatherby collector--so he has all the info, photos, etc...f

Maybe those big holes in the buff's shoulder were "special" bullets for the .257--

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #134150 - 02/05/09 01:25 AM

223

30-06

maybe .500 NE but probably .375 H&H or 9.3 x 62.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #134159 - 02/05/09 01:56 AM

.22lr
.308
.375
Ammo availability anywhere ,number one reason.
(Now what am I to do with all my other calibres, )

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: DuggaBoy]
      #134160 - 02/05/09 02:47 AM

ok, I will change my medium rifle choice from 30-06 to 308

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: 500grains]
      #134234 - 02/05/09 11:03 PM

I'm not going to stick by the rules but:

Light - 8x68S Mauser 98 bolt action or Mannlicher or similar, scoped
Medium - .375 H&H Mag - Mauser 98 bolt action, scoped
Heavy (bottom end of the heavy range) - .450 NE double rifle (or similar eg .470, or heavier .500 etc)


I would add something in the .22 RF, .22 Mag RF, .222 range for small game, plus of course at least one shotgun.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: peter]
      #134235 - 02/05/09 11:08 PM

Quote:

any weatherby cartg. revolts me in the same way as young new rich russians driving a ferrai with the sound system so loud that they have to roll the windows down.

if you cant reach out far enough crawl closer or shoot more so you get to know your bullet drop better. the old guys could do it, why should we be any worse.







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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: NitroX]
      #134238 - 02/05/09 11:49 PM


I'd go with:

.257 Weatherby
.340 Weatherby
.416 Weatherby, Rigby, or Remington

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: NitroX]
      #134243 - 03/05/09 12:31 AM

.585 Nyati for sale at the gun show here, this weekend - on a P-14 action. The guy thinks it's worth $12,000.

It's a nice rifle - maybe $2,500.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: NitroX]
      #135682 - 20/05/09 02:25 AM

6.5 x 65 RWS with 130 grain Berger VLD bullets

.300 WinMag with 185 grain Berger VLD bullets

.404 Jeffrey with Degol 350 grain PP / 400 grain Lion Load / 400 grain Heavy Game / 400 grain FMJ


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #135688 - 20/05/09 02:44 AM

I choose my rifles:

-Remington 700 in 338 Win Mag.

-Ceska 550 Magnum in 375 H&H Magnum.

-Ceska 550 Safaria in 458 Lott (soon).

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: ovny]
      #135692 - 20/05/09 02:50 AM

.30-06
.375 H&H flanged
.500 NE

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #135699 - 20/05/09 03:10 AM

Light: .30-06
Medium: .375 ruger
Heavy: .458 lott

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #135955 - 22/05/09 11:46 PM

I finally made my choices after a lot of experimentation.
Light Rifle - .30-06 Too heavy for some game but workable in about any situation.
Medium Rifle - .375 Ruger - A GREAT elk round and up with similar trajectory to the .30-06
Heavy Rifle - .458 Win Mag I simply will never need a heavier rifle than this and recoil remains manageable.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Plains99]
      #136005 - 23/05/09 04:40 PM

Quote:

I finally made my choices after a lot of experimentation.
Light Rifle - .30-06 Too heavy for some game but workable in about any situation.
Medium Rifle - .375 Ruger - A GREAT elk round and up with similar trajectory to the .30-06
Heavy Rifle - .458 Win Mag I simply will never need a heavier rifle than this and recoil remains manageable.




For a goat or a sheep in the high mountain's at 400 yards, what do you use?


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #136033 - 24/05/09 03:38 AM

It may not be ideal, but a .30-06 would work. There have been plenty of sheep shot with less potent cartridges than the '06. Otherwise....
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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #136049 - 24/05/09 11:08 AM

My choices ...

* Light rifle: if hunting North America, my 30.06; if hunting Africa, my 300 H&H magnum.

* Medium rifle: my 375 H&H magnum, a BRNO 602.

* Heavy rifle: .404 Jeffery.

My light African rifle - a 300 H&H Ruger #1:


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #136164 - 26/05/09 04:32 PM

275 rigby
318
577NE

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: bigmaxx]
      #136187 - 27/05/09 05:58 AM

Quote:

Light: .30-06
Medium: .375 ruger
Heavy: .458 lott




Right on the money - all the way!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: crkennedy1]
      #136215 - 27/05/09 01:52 PM

22 L. R.
270 Winchester
375H&H


If I wanted to be more specialized I'd add a 222 Remington or a 223 Remington, and a 458 or 404 Jeff as well as a good 12 or 20 gage shotgun.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: szihn]
      #136224 - 27/05/09 07:50 PM

06 at 700 yds still has plenty of velocity and energy to tip over any ram or billy with the 180 gr projectile.

My choice
240 wby
338 Win mag
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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: JAWZ]
      #136241 - 28/05/09 12:08 AM

Quote:

06 at 700 yds still has plenty of velocity and energy to tip over any ram or billy with the 180 gr projectile.






But lacks the veloctiy to expand the projectile properly - same with most mangleums. imho

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Daryl_S]
      #136252 - 28/05/09 02:48 AM

Quote:

Quote:

06 at 700 yds still has plenty of velocity and energy to tip over any ram or billy with the 180 gr projectile.






But lacks the veloctiy to expand the projectile properly - same with most mangleums. imho




And no penetration! 500 yards is the limit for shooting game! Tactical shooting is a another department!


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #136259 - 28/05/09 07:21 AM

You don't consider 1700 fps enough velocity or 1150 ftlb enough to expand a 180 gr bullet. Many would argue that there is plenty enough to do the job infact I know it is.

Not trying to start a fight I think you just underestimate what can very easily be done

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: JAWZ]
      #136475 - 01/06/09 09:45 AM

I have everything from .223 to 458 Win, with lot's of overlap in between. If I was to go with the thinking on this thread, I might choose the .308, the .300 Win and the .458 Win.
But after a bit of thought, I am going to fall back on what gets shot the most by me. Discounting the 22 RF's and the handgun cartridges, I most often grab for one of several 30-30's as a light shooter. In the medium caliber arena, I often find myself shooting a MarkV Custom in 7mm Weatherby. And I too, dismissed Weatherby's until I bought and used a few of them.
Last but not least, for me in this day and age, I usually grab my Browning Safari (The old Belgian Safari) in 300 Win Mag to shoot anything bigger. I know the last two overlap in a big way, but I like them both too much to stop shooting either one.
Then there's the 458, for those things which can and will bite and stomp me into buff stuff. But there are no elephants on my menu and I'm getting too stiff in the joints for a buff . Should that change, I am covered.
And to address the concern of a 400 yard shot presenting itself, my first choice would be to use my feet. A choice most of us should consider. That said, even though I have practiced at 400 yards and the 7mm or 300 would be fine. I for one, still enjoy the HUNT in Hunting.
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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #136584 - 02/06/09 11:47 PM

For sheep at 400 yards? I wouldn't take the shot.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Plains99]
      #137182 - 12/06/09 12:06 PM

To keep this from getting too boring... or too technical, I'll give what I MIGHT use, depending...

Light rifle: CZ 550 .458WM shooting 300-grain TSX's at 2800+ fps!

Medium rifle: CZ 550 .458WM shooting 350-grain TSX's at 2700+ fps! (Mine actually shoots that bullet at 2750 fps with the standard deviation being 2. Yes, that's TWO!

Heavy rifle: CZ 550 .458WM shooting 500-grain Barnes Banded Solids at 2200 fps. Actually it'll shoot 500's at 2300 fps but I see no need for it unless a lost elephant goes wandering through our potato patch!

Now, just in case you think I made a mistake in writing .458WM and not .458 Lott... my rifle has .458 Winchester Magnum scrolled on the barrel and the cases are all stamped with the same. But the action, magazine and leade all allow it to be loaded like a Lott, if wanted. But my REAL load for NA game (bears and moose) is actually the one listed for "medium rifle".

Now, despite that guy up in the mountains of France passing judgment on every one else, my REAL choice for three rifles would be:

a .22RF
my .300 winney
and my CZ 550 in .458WM.

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magnum308 [Re: grandveneur]
      #158828 - 12/04/10 11:45 PM

3 Rifles:

Light - .270 Win
Medium - .300 Mag
Heavy - .375 Mag

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Re: magnum308 [Re: magnum308]
      #159800 - 01/05/10 10:51 PM

After many different calibers in my collection,I'm narrowing it down to three along the same ideas.

257 Roberts
300 H&H Magnum
416 Taylor


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #159827 - 02/05/10 10:17 AM



25-06 from Mice to Red deer

.338 Win Mag for anything that pops up to the size of Buff, with 225 gr Barnes & 275 gr Swift A-Frames. I've shot Red deer & Buff with my .338 and I'm impressed with it.

450-400 just gotta have a double, but at the expense of the .404 Jeffery which I like very much.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: 010166]
      #159833 - 02/05/10 12:23 PM

223 in an AR15
340Wby
416Rigby


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: 86thecat]
      #159837 - 02/05/10 03:06 PM

30-06
9.3x62
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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #159841 - 02/05/10 04:37 PM

light: 7x57
med: 375 H&H
heavy: 458 Lott
Ideally, include a 300H&H and a 12g and you need no more. About WANTING more, now that is a different matter.
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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Charls]
      #159843 - 02/05/10 06:29 PM

22rf
22 K Hornet
257 Roberts AI
9.5 x 57 MS
404 Jeff
500/450 Alex Henry falling block (for the nostalgia factor)
12 gauge pommy back action sxs

and maybe a 9.3 x 74R double


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: kamilaroi]
      #159844 - 02/05/10 06:46 PM

7mm Rem mag

358 Norma mag

375 H+H

I`m happy to go anywhere with the above and crawl closer to the targets too,much more fun and skill involved in stalking than sitting back blasting from yonder!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #159861 - 03/05/10 03:17 AM

Quote:

Light: .300 H&H Magnum
Medium: .375 H&H Magnum
Heavy: .458 Winchester Magnum, .500 Jeffery or .500 NE

If I were to add one more, it would be a 7X57 for smaller plains game.




No one has mentioned it, but one of my main concerns when I actually took this battery to Africa was availability of ammunition. The prospect of guns arriving without ammunition was not then out of the question, and I assume it is still so.

I thought the first three mentioned had the best prospects for ammunition availability at the time. I suspect that the 7mm Remington Magnum or the .300 Winchester Magnum have eclipsed the .300 H&H by this time (more's the pity) and either one would be just as satisfactory.

Also, since my Krieghoff Teck .458 has interchangeable barrels in .375 H&H, I suppose I could in good concience count that as only one gun, and if I included my Mauser 66 in 8X68S with its interchangeable barrel in 7mm vom Hofe, then I would need only two rifles, so I could throw in a .223 for the really small stuff. However, that would defeat my purpose as far as availability of emergency ammunition was concerned.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #159864 - 03/05/10 04:49 AM

Only if military rounds are not allowed. Then...

Light: 300 Holland & Holland
Medium: 375 Holland & Holland
Heavy: 450 N.E. (never needed anything this big but the 450 is the standard by which all others are judged)

But if I could toss in the Paradox gun with both bullets and shot it would add a whole new dimension. In fact, if I was stuck with just the 375 and a Paradox gun I wouldn't be bad off at all.




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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: 86thecat]
      #159916 - 04/05/10 02:04 AM

I'll revise my earlier post.

A Hornet would be handy, with soft points and TSX's for the smaller varieties - so it would be a wide range of bullets & of course, handloading allowed - only 2 powders needed for all curcumstance and game - Lil'Gun for the Hornet and H4895 for the .375:
.22 CZ Hornet 'Lux" - 40gr. - 45gr. SP's and X - 3,200fps to 3,300fps

.375/06 IMP - 235gr. TSX to 300gr. solids (any make that works) - 2,840fps to 2,450fps

12 bore with variety of loads.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Daryl_S]
      #159917 - 04/05/10 03:08 AM

Have to agree with Grenadier, with a .375 H&H and a 12 bore Paradox what is there you can't take ?
best, Mike (mind you, you'd still want loads of other stuff )


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: kaizer2007]
      #159919 - 04/05/10 04:20 AM

Here's what I have.

BA .300 H&H
BA .375 H&H
SS .458 WM

DR .35 WCF
DR .405 WCF
DR .577 BPE

Wish.

DR 470 NE

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: bonanza]
      #159921 - 04/05/10 06:38 AM

Great choices! Ok - I'll have another stab... If I'm restricted to 3 only for the world - ever - what about

single shot .300 Win Mag - should cover most long range stuff, including sheep, goats, deer, elk, etc.
double rifle 9.3x74 - should more than adequately cover anything at short to medium range (in style!)
bolt action - .458 Lott - for DG on all continents and some specialities such as bongo and derby eland

Also covers 3 action types and ammunition should be pretty available. I'd choose the single shot for the light rifle as I wouldn't want to use it for DG. It might have oil finished laminated stock for added toughness if this is to also be a mountain rifle. I'd choose the double for the medium as I'd get to use it more than if it was only a DG rifle. Finally, I'd choose the bolt action for the large calibre for 3 reasons - I'd like a bolt rifle as one of my 3; I'd like more than one shot for DG; I'd like a laminated stock so that I could carry the rifle to Alaska and Cameroon without worrying about a fine walnut stock in the wet!

Finally, if I were allowed 5 rifles only - ever - I'd add a .223 for target shooting and a 6.5 as a deer rifle and be a happy man.... probably


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #159922 - 04/05/10 08:12 AM

I didnt think a huge deal of the Paradox figure`s that H+H have and IMO would rather something else to trudge around with.
I wonder how much of that energy is left at 100 yards?

Bullet weight: 12-bore = 740 grains / 48 gram
Bullet diameter: .735" (Fosbery Pattern, solid lead)
Muzzle velocity: *1050 ft./sec. / 320 m/sec.
Muzzle energy: *1840 ft./lbs. / 2500 joules
Service pressure: 3 ¼ tons " / 850 bar
Cartridge case: 12-bore 2 ½" / 65mm
1 leaf zeroed to p.o.a. @ 50 yards / (45-50m)
+ 2nd leaf to p.o.a. @ 100 yards / (90 - 100m)

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: gryphon]
      #159927 - 04/05/10 12:01 PM

Light .270 Win
Medium .338 Win Mag
Heavy 450-400
Bit of overlap here. .270 W up to and including elk.
.338 WM down to elk and up to Buffalo with heavy solids.
450-400 in the thick stuff.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Lawman]
      #159928 - 04/05/10 12:44 PM

I would go with

30-06
375 H&H
458 Lott.

All bolt actions, with 1.75-6 Leupold scopes on the 30-06 and 375.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: 86thecat]
      #159931 - 04/05/10 02:47 PM

Light-.270 Win
Medium- 9.3x62mm
Heavy-.458 Win Mag


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: azmunk]
      #159932 - 04/05/10 03:03 PM

Light 270wsm
Medium 300 wsm
Heavy 375 Ruger


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: gryphon]
      #159933 - 04/05/10 03:11 PM

Quote:

I didnt think a huge deal of the Paradox figure`s that H+H have and IMO would rather something else to trudge around with.
I wonder how much of that energy is left at 100 yards?

Bullet weight: 12-bore = 740 grains / 48 gram
Bullet diameter: .735" (Fosbery Pattern, solid lead)
Muzzle velocity: *1050 ft./sec. / 320 m/sec.
Muzzle energy: *1840 ft./lbs. / 2500 joules
Service pressure: 3 ¼ tons " / 850 bar
Cartridge case: 12-bore 2 ½" / 65mm
1 leaf zeroed to p.o.a. @ 50 yards / (45-50m)
+ 2nd leaf to p.o.a. @ 100 yards / (90 - 100m)




Well, each to his own preferences and opinions. I don't like cigars and all wines taste the same to me. But I will point out that comparing muzzle velocity and energy of the Paradox bullet to smaller calibers can be misleading. You can shoot a 10 grain aspirin at 10,000 ft./sec. and generate 2220 ft./lbs. of energy, besting both the velocity and energy figures of a Paradox bullet. Yet, we know that an aspirin is better for curing a headache than delivering one. The aspirin has but little momentum, whereas momentum is the Paradox bullet's forte.

Using the above example, the aspirin would have only 14 ft.lbs./sec. of momentum while the Paradox bullet has a healthy 111 ft.lbs./sec. To put this into perspective, consider that firing Federal's 375H&H load with a 300 grain Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet will have less momentum, or 102 ft.lbs./sec.

Some people consider Taylor Knockout (TKO) factor as a more realistic tool for comparing how effective bullets are on game. TKO takes into consideration bullet weight, diameter, velocity, and momentum. Again, using the same bullets and velocities as above, the TKO factor of the aspirin is only 3, the 375H&H is 38, and the 12 bore Paradox is 81.

The 12 bore Paradox is not a good choice for elephant, buffalo, and other thick skinned or dangerous game. But, I can say with experience that an H&H Paradox bullet fired at 95 yards into a blacktail deer will pass clear through. I have spoken with several Paradox owners who describe the same through-and-through penetration of Paradox bullets on a variety of game animals, including several large boars and some pretty big African animals.

Yes, the Paradox does have its limitations. The soft lead bullet expands too easily for penetrating thick skin and buffalo shoulders. And, it is not very practical beyond 100 yards but what large bore double gun is?

It also has several advantages. The 12 bore Paradox gun weighs less than 7.5 lbs. and it carries and swings on target like a fine shotgun, which of course it is. That also brings up the most important advantage of all. Which is, a Paradox gun can also fire a load of shot to harvest birds, rabbits, and other small beasts with an aplomb that no rifle can match.

Now, regarding my statement that if I was limited to the 375H&H and a Paradox gun I wouldn't be bad off at all. Noting the Paradox gun's poor suitability for deep penetration in dangerous game and its limited range, I would choose the 375H&H for those tasks. But, when walking about the bush for nearly anything else, the Paradox is a boon. Add to that the ability to shoot bird shot and the two guns, a 375H&H and a Paradox, would complement each other nicely.

There are many fine guns in many wonderful calibers. I do not dismiss their utility. But I suggest that if you dismiss the utility of a Paradox gun then you are missing out on one of the finer things in life. But then again, I don't like cigars and all wines taste the same to me.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Grenadier]
      #159936 - 04/05/10 03:52 PM

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Bullet weight: 12-bore = 740 grains / 48 gram
Bullet diameter: .735" (Fosbery Pattern, solid lead)
Muzzle velocity: *1050 ft./sec. / 320 m/sec.
Muzzle energy: *1840 ft./lbs. / 2500 joules
Service pressure: 3 ¼ tons " / 850 bar
Cartridge case: 12-bore 2 ½" / 65mm





Funny they use the standard shotgun pressure on them, not even the 1050bar (steel shot) 12g load.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #159937 - 04/05/10 04:17 PM



Light 270 Winchester

Medium 358 NMag

Heavy 8 bore paradox

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Grenadier]
      #159940 - 04/05/10 05:05 PM

Quote:

Quote:








Now, regarding my statement that if I was limited to the 375H&H and a Paradox gun I wouldn't be bad off at all. Noting the Paradox gun's poor suitability for deep penetration in dangerous game and its limited range, I would choose the 375H&H for those tasks. But, when walking about the bush for nearly anything else, the Paradox is a boon. Add to that the ability to shoot bird shot and the two guns, a 375H&H and a Paradox, would complement each other nicely.






I nearly added a 12 bore paradox instead of the 270 but you had already covered it.

As to your statement above; The more things change, the more they are the same or Like minds think the same thoughts, may be appropriate here.
In 1904 Lady Jenkins went on a one woman Shikari into both Tibets carrying a 375 (2 1/2") and a paradox. She chronicled the events in her book:





and her paradox



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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: gatsby]
      #159943 - 04/05/10 05:51 PM

450, they do make a heavier load I believe in a 2 3/4" case with a 750 grainer at 1200 fps. grenadier, that's why I like the idea, you can be out bird shooting, rabbit shooting and not have to pass up a crack at a deer or boar, rgds, Mike

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: gatsby]
      #159958 - 04/05/10 10:34 PM

Gatsby - I hope you aren't saying I think like a woman.

Are you going to make the August 7 shoot in WA? If so, please bring that gun.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: JabaliHunter]
      #159961 - 04/05/10 11:41 PM

Ok, my ideal minimal (but nice) battery.

Perazzi 12 gauge over/under

Remington XB-40 .22-250 w/ Nightforce NXS scope for varmints.

Dakota 76 safari takedown w/ 7mm Rem Mag and .375 H&H and Leupold 2.8-8 VXIII

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: bonanza]
      #159971 - 05/05/10 04:27 AM

Grenadier I was having my entitled too opinion, thus no need to take anything I posted as a personal attack on a Paradox Gun choice.


As far as this below Q:

Yes, the Paradox does have its limitations. The soft lead bullet expands too easily for penetrating thick skin and buffalo shoulders. And, it is not very practical beyond 100 yards but what large bore double gun is? EQ:


I`m sure there has to be a few large bore double guns out there capable of 100 plus yards!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: gryphon]
      #159972 - 05/05/10 06:00 AM

Quote:

Grenadier I was having my entitled too opinion, thus no need to take anything I posted as a personal attack on a Paradox Gun choice.


As far as this below Q:

Yes, the Paradox does have its limitations. The soft lead bullet expands too easily for penetrating thick skin and buffalo shoulders. And, it is not very practical beyond 100 yards but what large bore double gun is? EQ:


I`m sure there has to be a few large bore double guns out there capable of 100 plus yards!




Don't worry, I didn't feel any attack and I wasn't being defensive. I am not that thin skinned and, though I enjoy shooting Paradox guns, I am not emotionally attached to them. I don't enjoy argument but I very much enjoy discussion.

Many people try to compare a Paradox gun to a high velocity rifle, a shotgun, or a big bore double but it goes beyond comparing apples to oranges. It's more like comparing apples to oranges, grapes, and squash. The Paradox gun is not better than a shotgun, a high velocity rifle, or a big double. But the Paradox gun brings something different to the table, and that is versatility. I don't know of any other ONE firearm that can do so much. Regarding its capability to do what is claimed, I can only say that 125 years of user history and reporting from the field proves that it does. No commentary I could make would do as much. Some people grasp the concept and others just don't.

My comment about large bore doubles not being practical beyond 100 yards is based on the ability to hit the target in a vital zone and not on the ability of the bullet to deliver a killing blow beyond that distance. Even a Paradox carries enough oomph to kill beyond 100 yards. But the issue of accuracy is manifold.

Please let me explain my reasoning. Most big doubles are regulated for targets closer than 100 yards. Grouping of heavy doubles at their regulated range produces groups that are acceptable for hunting but are, at best, generally within 3 MOA, or 1-1/2" at 50 yards. I know from participating in numerous rifle matches that most shooters cannot shoot better than 5" groups at 100 yards off-hand without a rest with any large rifle. Large bore doubles tend to weigh a lot. Large bore doubles produce significant recoil. Field conditions are tougher than conditions on a shooting range, especially regarding range estimation. Trajectories of big cartridges, while somewhat flatter than that of the Paradox, are far from "flat". Most people don't scope their 450/400, 450, 465, 470, 500, 577, or 600 double rifles.

In the field, shooting any heavy double much beyond 100 yards with an arcing trajectory and heavy recoil, at an estimated range, with open sights, when the shooter is only capable of 5 MOA and the rifle is capable of 3 MOA, is not a very practicable recipe. Some big guns and shooters may be able to do it but I believe those will be the exception. If you feel that what I said is off base then I sincerely welcome any qualified correction. Remember, I do really like discussion.

Getting back on topic, nearly everyone listed a very large bore rifle as their choice for a Heavy. I bet for shots over 100 yards they would rely on one or more of the smaller caliber rifles they listed. It would be interesting to hear some of the big bore shooters weigh in on this as it relates to the three rifle concept - Light, Medium, and Heavy.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: gryphon]
      #159973 - 05/05/10 06:07 AM

The reason I picked these three is they are so versitile.If you choose 2 bullet weights for each you have 6 rifles if you go with QD mounts and a couple of scopes.


7x57 120g & 175g covers 270-3006
9.3x62 250g TSX & 320g Woodleigh covers 3006-375h&h
404j 350g Woodleigh and 450g Woodleigh (I would just use the Woodleigh 400g Hydro for anything in the world)!!.Covers 375h&h-458.

JUST MY OPINION !!!.
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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: FATBOY404]
      #159975 - 05/05/10 07:18 AM

Grenadier, AMEN, a .500 or similar is for use at 30 PACES or less, if it's further away use a scoped double or bolt, as I think Elmer Keith said, "It's only dangeros if it can touch you"..just my opinion, rgds, Mike (p.s. having limited experience on dangerous game my opinion is worth sweet FA)

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #159992 - 05/05/10 01:03 PM

My choice would be:

Light 22Hornet- does not destroy very small game.

Medium. 358 Norma Magnum- this will reach out in the Alps. When in New Zealand I use a 270win for Tahr and Chamois.

Heavy. 416 Rigby. Muzzle to 400mts depending on projectile.

Non are military calibres or wildcats.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Rule303]
      #160006 - 05/05/10 05:53 PM

Ok, heres mine.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: NitroX]
      #160015 - 05/05/10 10:39 PM

Based on what I own -

Light - .308 - it's not perfect, but plenty of good ammunition available for it, reasonably priced, and it doesn't beat you up. .270 or 7mm Rem mag if I couldn't own military chamberings
Med - .338 WM. Like above, it might not be perfect, but it does the job against anything in my part of the world.
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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: smicha6551]
      #160135 - 08/05/10 07:49 PM

I would use a 7x57 and a .404 Jeffrey. And I would only use those two I think.
As a back up I would use a .318 WR.

(As for opinions of NZ hunters on game in the mountains - frankly the 7x57 or 7mm08 will do whatever you want it to do - and I have shot out to 400 metres and more with various calibers. Also, just to make a couple of points - One - you dont often need to shoot "long range' at all. Second - 400 metres ain't THAT far anyway...most everything will perform out to there. I have a friedn who loves the .243, long range shooting - and is a specialist Himmalayan tahr hunter.
So mountain use doesnt rule anything out nor require a specialist cartridge. Full stop.)

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: CarlsenHighway]
      #160821 - 21/05/10 08:31 PM

three cals....

Light - .223 rem

medium - .270WSM

Heavy - 375 H+H

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: FATBOY404]
      #160827 - 22/05/10 12:49 AM

Quote:

The reason I picked these three is they are so versitile.If you choose 2 bullet weights for each you have 6 rifles if you go with QD mounts and a couple of scopes.


7x57 120g & 175g covers 270-3006
9.3x62 250g TSX & 320g Woodleigh covers 3006-375h&h
404j 350g Woodleigh and 450g Woodleigh (I would just use the Woodleigh 400g Hydro for anything in the world)!!.Covers 375h&h-458.

JUST MY OPINION !!!.
Cheers Neale.




Neale, I really like your choice, but you would be faced with a Problem if hunting New Caledonia as although the 7x57 would be a great Rusa round, it is a military calibre which is not allowed there.
A couple ways out; Take the 9.3 with light rounds, possibly register the 7x57 as a 275 or just get a 7x64 which makes better use of a M98s Mag anyway.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #162934 - 28/06/10 11:12 PM

Light: 22 mag
Medium: 375 H&H
Heavy: 416 Rigby
Hey, just my opinion.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Classic416]
      #162936 - 28/06/10 11:27 PM

And if I had my choice on action;
H&K semi auto
Bolt action
Double rifle.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #162960 - 29/06/10 02:46 AM

Light: .30-06
Medium: .375 ruger
Heavy: .458 lott

Fot a very light centerfire rifle for varmints and such I like the .223 as well.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #163080 - 30/06/10 06:47 PM

Hi only new to the forum

Here is what's in my safe

Very Light 222 - Varmits both native and naturalised
Very Light 204 Ruger - long range varmiting (foxes/wild dogs)
Light 25-06 - Plains Rifle(long range) Varmits & Small deer (Fallow)
Medium 30-30 - Deer & Pigs in the scrub (easy gun to shoot all day and cheep to re-load)
Medium +++ - 35 Whelen Red/Sambar/Scrub Bulls/Camels and water buffalo
Heavy - Not sure, never been to Africa. The Whelen is adequate for anything in Australia

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #194256 - 20/11/11 10:13 PM

Light: 270 Winchester

Medium: 375 H&H Magnum (or 338 WM, 358 Norma Magnum, 9,3x64)

Heavy: 458 Lott, 450 Rigby, 500 Jeffery.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: ovny]
      #194810 - 25/11/11 06:05 AM

6.5x57
338 Win Mag
450/400

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: AdamTayler]
      #195044 - 28/11/11 02:57 AM

LIGHT - 7 x 57
MEDIUM - .375 H&H
HEAVY - .500 Jeffery


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: mckinney]
      #195051 - 28/11/11 05:17 AM

New set - maybe

Small & fun stuff to 450yards - .17HMR, .17Ackley Hornet, .22 Hornet. Tac .20 for out to 700yards on yotes.

Medium ie: deer/goats/sheep & long range game on same - .260 Rem or 6.5x55 or 7x57

Large game - ungulates and omnivours - moose, elk, bears, black and grizzly - 9.3x57, 9.3x62, .375/06IMP.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Daryl_S]
      #195111 - 28/11/11 01:19 PM

Light: 300H&H
Medium: 375H&H
Heavy: 500NE

This is the battery I took on my last Safari in Zim this past June. It included Leopard (300H&H), Buffalo (375H&H), and Elephant (500NE). That covers it for me. I've shot Steinbuck with the 375 and Elk with the 300. Plenty of overlap there. The 500 comes out for the heavy stuff in the heavy stuff. If the heavy stuff is in the open, the 375H&H gets it done.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: HogPilot]
      #195120 - 28/11/11 03:19 PM

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Oldsarge]
      #195228 - 29/11/11 08:45 AM

Light - 25-06
Medium - 338WM
Heavy - 416 RM

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: MarkR]
      #195359 - 30/11/11 03:18 PM

Light -223
Medium - 30-06
Heavy - 458 Win

There are plenty of others every bit a good and, as many will argue, maybe better, but these have worked well for me

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #317947 - 10/07/18 05:54 PM


Following my experience I would pick these:

light: 7x57
medium: 35 Whelen
heavy: 400 H&H

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: HogPilot]
      #317950 - 11/07/18 12:07 AM

Quote:

Light: 300H&H
Medium: 375H&H
Heavy: 500NE

This is the battery I took on my last Safari in Zim this past June. It included Leopard (300H&H), Buffalo (375H&H), and Elephant (500NE). That covers it for me. I've shot Steinbuck with the 375 and Elk with the 300. Plenty of overlap there. The 500 comes out for the heavy stuff in the heavy stuff. If the heavy stuff is in the open, the 375H&H gets it done.




On my three hunts in Kenya and Tanzania, I used the .458 Winchester Magnum and my .505 SRE (ballistically the same as a .500 NE) on rhino, elephant and buffalo, my .375 H&H on lion, leopard, greater and lesser kudu and eland, and my .300 H&H on sable, wildebeest, kongoni, beisa and fringe eared oryx, defassa and common waterbuck, bushbuck, impala, Burchell's and Grevy's zebra, warthog, Cape hunting dog, spotted hyena, Grant's gazelle, Peter's gazelle, Thompson's gazelle and gerenuk. I used a .222 Remington on klipspringer and dik-dik.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: xausa]
      #317960 - 11/07/18 04:16 AM

9,3x64 for all

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: lancaster]
      #317967 - 11/07/18 11:11 PM

I doubt I'll ever leave the USA again, so my 3 would be a 22 LR, a 270 Winchester and a 375H&H.

If I were "blessed" and allowed to pick only 2 others, and the idea was to include all of the world in my hunting I'd add a 223 and my 404 Jeffery.

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: szihn]
      #317969 - 11/07/18 11:31 PM

Fun thread. If it’s just dreaming I’ll go:

Light: .240 apex or .244 H&H

Medium: 9.5x56

Heavy: .450 nitro


I have 2 of those.. just not a light!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: szihn]
      #317970 - 12/07/18 02:11 AM

Quote:

I doubt I'll ever leave the USA again, so my 3 would be a 22 LR, a 270 Winchester and a 375H&H.

If I were "blessed" and allowed to pick only 2 others, and the idea was to include all of the world in my hunting I'd add a 223 and my 404 Jeffery.




AND there you have it..as you suggest, it would really depend on where you are at or going hunting..

If I was hunting only in the lower 48 here in the US, 22 rimfire would have to be one..along with a .223 as the ammo is everywhere..and I like AR's..dealing with 2 or 4 legged, and then a .300 Win..again, ammo is everywhere and will take anything walking here

IF on a game farm in S Africa..a good 300 or .338Win could be find and all you would need for most...unless hunting buff or bigger, then a .416 is my choice.

However, IF, in the wilds of areas like Zim, my light rifle would be a .375H&H...you may be hunting small stuff, but the big stuff doesn't know that or really care...You can used hard bullets that do little to no damage to the hides on the little guys.. Swift A-Frames or Barnes X to name a couple..

I personally don't care for the.375H&H for buffalo or anything bigger..think the .416 is a much better round for those based on my experience..they work, just don't work as well..

For heavy would use still use one of my .416's or my .470 double..that combo has worked on 6 hunts in Africa with around 80 animals harvested, with no problems or issues-..

Ripp

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: lancaster]
      #317972 - 12/07/18 06:07 AM

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9,3x64 for all




Lancaster, you have put it succinctly!
From cats to elephants it can do it all.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Ripp]
      #318006 - 13/07/18 05:05 PM

G'Day Fella's,

Now, this is a tough choice.
If I was able to reload ammo for all three in my selection, I would go with the following;

7.62x39 (M43)
338 Win Mag or .340 Weatherby Mag or .338 Lap Mag
.404 Jeffery

And also, they would all be Bolt Guns.

Avagreatweekendeh!
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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Homer]
      #318017 - 14/07/18 03:16 AM

.275 Rigby
.350 Rigby
.416 Rigby

But I cant get by without a .22LR and a .223


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: MagnumHunter]
      #318030 - 14/07/18 11:33 AM

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.275 Rigby
.350 Rigby
.416 Rigby

But I cant get by without a .22LR and a .223




Now that is a classy selection


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