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Caliber's choice for hunting
      #130765 - 29/03/09 08:16 PM

The choice of cartridges for hunting seem be a big problem! In my opinion for hunting all game on the planet Earth, from dik-dik to elefant, you need 3 rifles! If you can get only 3 rifles, and not more, what would be your choice of caliber's and cartridge's?
What would be your choice?
You may choose 3
Light rifle
Medium rifle
Heavy rifle


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130766 - 29/03/09 08:24 PM

It's not a vote! I want only your opinion and may be the reason for your choice!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130768 - 29/03/09 08:37 PM

With recent legislation (?) from the UK affecting travel with contemporary military calibres/cartridges, I'll try ... (shotguns excluded as it asks for rifles):

Light: .243W

Medium: 7x57

Heavy: .404J


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: tophet1]
      #130769 - 29/03/09 08:44 PM

250 Savage or 257R

30-06

404J (300gn/350gn/400gn)

otherwise only 2 if ammo was an issue

30-06

404J


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: tophet1]
      #130772 - 29/03/09 09:22 PM

You need a rifle for long range shooting on heavy mountain game, like Argali or Marco polo, at 400 yards, and sometimes more!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: kamilaroi]
      #130773 - 29/03/09 09:23 PM

The same problem that Trophet1!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130774 - 29/03/09 09:28 PM

I'd rely on the 7x57 for mountain hunting. It was good enough for The Prince of Iran.

I won't be doing much mountain hunting 'cause I'm old and fat. But I will watch my young bloke with a spotting scope from the base .....


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: tophet1]
      #130775 - 29/03/09 09:34 PM

May be for the prince of Iran, but not for normal hunter's! You have not enough power at long range with a 7x57, and poor ballistic! The cartridge is very accurate, that's right!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: tophet1]
      #130776 - 29/03/09 09:46 PM

In my opinion, a good combination is, may be, following: 270Winch., 340WM, 416Rigby (or 416WM)!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130777 - 29/03/09 09:52 PM

light: 7x57

medium: 450/400 3.25"

heavy: 20/577 aka light nitro

best

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: peter]
      #130778 - 29/03/09 09:55 PM

Same problem, impossible to shot heavy mountain game!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130781 - 29/03/09 10:16 PM

If you want a calibre for shooting heavy mountain game how does a .300 (anything) magnum sound ? Is that the answer you are looking for ?

I thought I answered the original query about 3 rifles for everything on the plant. Those are the three I would choose. They won't do everything perfectly. I would submit nothing will do everything perfectly. My choice is a compromise I would be prepared to make. I have never hunted mountain game and probably never will. The nearest 'mountain' to me is over 120km away.

I do think the question of which calibre for shooting heavy mountain game is an interesting one. I would like to hear what others with far more experience in 'vertical' hunting would suggest.

Perhaps a different Topic would be in order.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: tophet1]
      #130782 - 29/03/09 10:39 PM

choices available to me are;

270 Win. as light rifle. while not exactly ideal for elk, it is quite effective with precise shooting.
9.3X64 for medium. it's a fairly heavy rifle but in a pinch would do for mountain hunting.
416 Rem. for the heavy.
not sure why, but just sold my 338 WM which would fit in there nicely.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: rscott]
      #130783 - 29/03/09 10:45 PM

Good! 9,3x64 is a good choice for a medium rifle, and long range is possible, but a little big marginal in high mountain's ( i try to do that with poor results!). 338Winch.Mag. is better!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130788 - 29/03/09 11:54 PM

I have and use this set up. Rifles are WBY Mark V's
.240 ULW
.30'06 LW
.375 H&H DeLuxe

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Caprivi]
      #130790 - 30/03/09 12:09 AM

A very good balance, but on the light side!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130792 - 30/03/09 12:30 AM

I miss the opinion of the hunters of New Zeeland! They have a lot of high mountain's and big game!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130800 - 30/03/09 01:02 AM

actually the 450/400 3,25" with a 300grains is not half bad in the long range department.

any weatherby cartg. revolts me in the same way as young new rich russians driving a ferrai with the sound system so loud that they have to roll the windows down.

if you cant reach out far enough crawl closer or shoot more so you get to know your bullet drop better. the old guys could do it, why should we be any worse.

cheers

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: peter]
      #130801 - 30/03/09 01:05 AM

OK! The 450/400 is a cartridge for double's! I never saw a hunter with a double in central Asia!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130804 - 30/03/09 01:07 AM

grandveneur,
My choices would be a .243 Winchester for a light rifle, the .300 Winchester Magnum for a medium rifle and a .458 Lott for the heavy end stuff. Bob H.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #130806 - 30/03/09 01:12 AM

A good balance! The 300Winch.Mag. is, in my opinion a little bit too light for medium game at long range!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130810 - 30/03/09 01:27 AM

grandveneur,
I don't know what sort of mediaum game the .300 would be too light for, but if necessary, I do have the previously mentioned .350 Remington Magnum. It will handle the heavier bullets,(250 grains and up), better than the .300 will, but it will only do it out to 250 yards or so. I guess my choices were determined by what I would hunt and the guns I chose are the ones I feel I can shoot well. The longer ranges are where I think the .300 would really shine! There have been many heavy bodied Elk shot at terribly long distances with the .300, further in fact than I feel I would ever try and shoot. Moose are generally not shot at long distance and I know the .300 will handle them, O.K. The .300 is about ideal for Bighorned Sheep or Antelope, which are said to take alot of killing power to put down. Those are the only long distance game animals that I would ever hunt with a "medium" rifle.


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: Birdhunter50]
      #130811 - 30/03/09 01:33 AM

For sheep's or goat's, the .300's work very well! For bigger game, like maral in central Asia, i had bad experience with .300's (and 180gr. bullet's!). I prefere the .338 caliber's and 250gr. bullet's!

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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130815 - 30/03/09 01:46 AM

Quote:

OK! The 450/400 is a cartridge for double's! I never saw a hunter with a double in central Asia!




you should keep better company then

you can also chamber it in really nice single shots, and still keep away from bolt trash.


peter

Edited by peter (30/03/09 01:49 AM)


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Re: Caliber's choice for hunting [Re: grandveneur]
      #130816 - 30/03/09 01:47 AM

Light: .300 H&H Magnum
Medium: .375 H&H Magnum
Heavy: .458 Winchester Magnum, .500 Jeffery or .500 NE

If I were to add one more, it would be a 7X57 for smaller plains game.


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