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Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India
      #227982 - 04/04/13 06:37 AM

Good read and great photos, love those Lee's. There is one picture that looks to be a Steyr.



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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: Caprivi]
      #227983 - 04/04/13 07:02 AM


Wow

Some pretty big Leopards in those photos.

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: 500Nitro]
      #228025 - 04/04/13 05:36 PM

Awesome! Wow!

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: Ben]
      #228029 - 04/04/13 07:07 PM

Saw it on Facebook, great!

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: Sville]
      #228034 - 04/04/13 08:22 PM

He`s certainly killed some leopards and good on him,I have a lot of respect for the work he has put in with results like that,makes a leopard shot out of a blind with a spotlight look tame eh!
One thing is I`m willing to bet on is that he cant put it onto paper like the enthralling tales `ol Jim has written.

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: Caprivi]
      #228274 - 08/04/13 01:39 AM

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love those Lee's. There is one picture that looks to be a Steyr.



Those Lee's are certainly IOF = Indian Ordnance Factories .315 Sporting rifles made at their Ishapore factory, see:
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/5.htm
They shoot the .315 IOF cartridge made at the Dum-Dum ammunition factory. The .315 IOF is nothing else than the old 8x50R Mannlicher, Austro-Hungarian service cartridge in WW1. The Indians still load it to the original ballisics. When the .303 military cartridge was outlawed by the Brits in 1904?, Bsa chambered their Lee-Speeds to the non-interchangeable 8x50R Mannlicher of all things for the Indian market.See:

http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/ammunition/sc/14.htm

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: gryphon]
      #228857 - 16/04/13 05:15 PM

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HI have a lot of respect for the work he has put in with results like that,makes a leopard shot out of a blind with a spotlight look tame eh!
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I would bet that is exactly how most were taken.
Good hunting no doubt.

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: ozhunter]
      #229028 - 19/04/13 02:24 PM

We need some articles, a book or an interview by/with this fella.

We've all been weaned on Jim Corbett but it'd be refreshing to see whether/how the game has changed.

I'd say that little really has changed given that the nature of the animal and the crime remains the same.

Maybe modern communications and transportation will be the big difference.........and the equipment (Led torches/headlights, better scopes,better ammo, better clothes). But when it gets down to it it requires a knowledgable and committed hunter on the ground to sort it out.


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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: twobobbwana]
      #229037 - 20/04/13 12:27 AM

Agree with the posts here, for sure would like to see a book on this fella's life and times on the beat. Just finished reading Man Eaters of Kumaon for probably the fifth time. Still a great read. maybe a rehash like Boddington's African Hunter II is to Mellon's.....???


Assured Kuduae, that is what they are. Odd indeed of the choice of chamberings, but it surely works. Many, many years ago in my youth I had a post WWII sporter in 8x57. I came across a rather large supply of 8x50R ammo. I pulled the bullets, dumped the powder in the x57 case, seated those big beautiful 244gr solids.....assuming similar performance between the 2, I can say it is all anyone could have wanted. I think I have seen reference to the .315 IOF being loaded with a 207gr RNSP, that would suit me.


twobob, for sure equipment and conditions/travel have improved, but in that bush, in that setting, it is still the Man/Hunter that makes the diference.

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: Caprivi]
      #239262 - 14/12/13 03:16 PM

I have an interest in the 8x50R mannlicher cartridge so its nice to see the indian lee-enfield sporter in .315 in the hands of this gentlman. great pics https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.555204237834207.1073741827.281713848516582&type=1





















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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: lancaster]
      #239519 - 19/12/13 08:44 AM

Lancaster
Thanks a lot for sharing.
My hat off for this intrepid and successful hunter.
I am not as You a connoisseur of rifles, though I have (illegally) this rifle.

I am appalled at the scope, and its mount. In this incredibly difficult work, I can't understand that he doesn't use a low and detachable sturdy mount, such as a EAW heavy calibre pivot mount
pivot mount
The sort that is so sturdy that you almost can ride over it with the car, one that won't get out of specs in the worst conditions, and that when (easily) removed doesn't impede aiming, especially when dealing with a "panther". I trust his rifle, but not his scope and its hypthetical fast removal.



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Nine maneaters and one rogue



Man Eaters and Jungle killers

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: Caprivi]
      #239567 - 20/12/13 03:19 AM

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Good read and great photos, love those Lee's. There is one picture that looks to be a Steyr.



https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.555204237834207.1073741827.281713848516582&type=1




Thanks for the link. The rifle looks like an Enfield (perhaps Ishapore made) to me.

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      #241367 - 28/01/14 06:10 PM

before its lost some day I think its better to safe the text also

"Lakhpat Singh Rawat is about 50 years old and could pass off for what he is by day, an unremarkable school teacher in the town of Garsain. Yet, he is a legend in the hills of Uttarakhand. Since 1992, he has killed 41 maneaters, all leopards plus a tiger. Even Jim Corbett’s record does not quite match up; between 1907 and 1938, the colonial-era’s legendary hunter gunned down 19 tigers and 14 leopards, a total of 33 maneaters. Rawat, already eight up, is not even done yet.
Each time a leopard kills a human, Rawat is one of two men summoned to rid the region of the menace. He operates with a team of three, including a representative of the state’s wildlife department to vouch for the place, time and circumstances under which the dangerous animal is done to death. Rawat boasts of a 100-per cent success rate. This is a claim that gets him plenty of public acclaim in a state that sees about 70 people fall victim to leopards every year"

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: lancaster]
      #361372 - 31/01/22 06:22 PM

Opening this again.

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      #361376 - 01/02/22 03:30 AM

Before someone asks: Those Lee – Enfield type sporters are made by the Tiruchirapalli and Ishapore factories of the IOF = Indian Ordnance Factories, http://ddpdoo.gov.in/product/products/product-details/0-315-quot-sporting-rifle . As the .303 is outlawed for civilian use in India since 1904, they are chambered for the obscure .315 IOF cartridge. This cartridge, formerly called .315 BSA too, is nothing else than the old 8x50R Austrian Mannlicher M.1893, loaded to the old ballistics with a rn jacketed 244 gr bullet at 2000 fps by the IOF Kirkee factory. For many years this was the only sporting rifle and load made and available in India. For some years now the IOF offer a .30-06 rifle too http://ddpdoo.gov.in/product/products/product-details/0-30-06-sporting-rifle , an Ishapore made crude copy of the Sauer 200 series. That’s all that’s legally available to the few licensed Indian hunters.

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: kuduae]
      #361377 - 01/02/22 03:32 AM

and I am still looking for a 10 rounds box of this .315 india for my little collection of ammo boxes

what do you thinking, the dude on the left side have some kind of a Mannlicher Schönauer




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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: lancaster]
      #361390 - 01/02/22 09:09 AM

I was wondering about that being a 303,interesting that an old law like that's still in effect.

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      #361401 - 01/02/22 01:45 PM

On a discussion on the NE FB group a couple of Indian gentlemen mentioned the SMLE is a .315. AKA 8x50R. On a .303 brass.

Kuduae is correct on the ballistics and comments.

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      #361470 - 03/02/22 06:24 PM

similar gunlaws that forbid the use of the common military/police cartridge exist in different countrys in one or the other version.

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: lancaster]
      #361484 - 04/02/22 01:16 AM

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the SMLE is a .315. AKA 8x50R. On a .303 brass.



No, the 8x50R Austrian Mannlicher aka .315 IOF aka .315 BSA is not based on .303 brass. The base diameter of the .303 is .460”, while the 8x50R is .494”. The 8x50R was once chosen as the civilian chambering for their India bound Lee – Speeds because neither cartridges nor components, bullets or cases, could be used for reloading military .303s or vice versa. But the then, 1904, still current 8x50R Mannlicher worked in a Lee – Speed magazine and action with just a slight change to the extractor.
The photo shows, left to right, a .303 British, a 8x50R Austrian Mannlicher, a French 8x50R Lebel (.542” base), a Browning headstamped 8x60S, a RWS 8x60 and a Kynoch made .318 Westley – Richards.


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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: kuduae]
      #361485 - 04/02/22 03:31 AM

What is the true bore of the .315 / 8x50R?

Is it the British system of the rifling lands, the usual groove depth system or ?

The bullet is heavier that the usual .311, .318 or .323 calibre projectiles.

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: NitroX]
      #361487 - 04/02/22 05:00 AM

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What is the true bore of the .315 / 8x50R?

Is it the British system of the rifling lands, the usual groove depth system or ?

The bullet is heavier that the usual .311, .318 or .323 calibre projectiles.



The original Austrian military barrel dimensions of the M88 – M95 straight pull Mannlichers are still the current CIP numbers. These prescribe 4-groove barrels with an 250 mm = 10” right hand twist. The bore and bullet diameters are a bit unusual by today’s practice, but designed by pre-1900 ideas for the use of the long, cylindrical bullets with large bearing surface. As the then infant smokeless powders were very fast burning, those long bullets slugged up on firing. Before firing, the 8x50R bullets had a diameter of 8.22 mm = .324”. To keep pressure at bay, the barrels had a bore/land diameter of 7.95 mm = .313” with 8.35 mm = .329” grooves. ( Note, these are the barrel dimensions adopted by Westley – Richards for their .318 some years later).When Austria and Hungary converted their Mannlichers to the 8x56R M30S cartridge, using lighter 208 gr pointed boat tail bullets that did not slug up, they increased bullet diameters to .330” to fit the existing bores. The same “fitting bullet to groove diameter” was done in 1904 by the German military when they switched from the 224gr .318” rn bullet to the 154gr .323” pointed Spitz bullet of the 8x57 IS.
The 8x50R chamber is peculiar too: There is no defined step from case mouth to barrel leade, but just a long straight taper from case shoulder to rifling. This allowed the Austrians to use cases of different lengths for special loads in the same chambers, f.i. the WW1 Alder incendiary and tracer loads with cases up to 54 mm.


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      #361488 - 04/02/22 05:01 AM

8x57J - NOT the old Gew.88 bore. A derived standard for civil rifles only. See later correspondence. Note the use of J, not I, to avoid confusion with the number 1.
Bore / Groove 7.80 / 8.07 mm = 0.307 / 0.318

8x57JS - the "classic" Gew. 98 /Kar 98. S stands for "Spitzer" bullet, already mentioned in previous posts.
Bore / Groove 7.89 / 8.20 mm = 0.311 / 0.323

8x50R - the original Austrian Mannlicher miltary caliber. Most altered to 8x56R M30S
Bore / Groove 7.95 / 8.35 = 0.313 / 0.329

8x56R M89 Portuguese Kropatschek. Sometimes confused with the Hungarian 8x56 (below).
Bore / Groove 7.85 / 8.20 = 0.309 / 0.323

8x56R M30S - the later Hungarian M(odel 19)30 S(pitzer) caliber.
Bore / Groove 7.95 / 8.35 = 0.313 / 0.329

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=60101&page=1

So a modern 244 gr .329 or .330 might be used per some references. Originally a lesser calibre projectile eg .324 was used, but the base somehow expanded to .329. ???

A .329 244 gr at approx 2000 fps.

The 8x50R was used as it feed through the magazine and no change to the bolt head. ???

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: NitroX]
      #361491 - 04/02/22 05:28 AM

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The 8x50R was used as it feed through the magazine and no change to the bolt head. ???



Look at the bolt head of a Lee – Speed: it is flat, 15 mm = .590” diameter, with no recess for the case rim. The 14 mm rim of the 8x50R Mannlicher fits. Just the extractor claw may need some adjustment. But there is no way a 8x50R Lebel with a 16 mm rim will pass through a Lee - Speed action.


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      #361496 - 04/02/22 05:52 AM

austrian rifles for the old 8x50R and the newer 8x56R spitzer have a .329 groove diameter but I never see the diameter of a british lee speed for the .315 india. would be possible to use a .323 barrel for the 8x50R but I don't know what they did then. the indians without a doubt copy the old lee speed in all aspects but nobody outside of india get one into the hands. that makes the story so mysterious.

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: lancaster]
      #361499 - 04/02/22 07:40 AM

Does anyone know what the .329/330 8x56R velocity would be with 244 gr bullet? Or a 250 gr bullet? Or a 225 gr projectile?

The reason I ask is I do have a Steyr straight pull NOT probably in 8x56R .330.

A 225 gr projectile at 2410 fps would satisfy Big Game Rifle Club Group One minimum requirements.

A cheapish 225 gr .338 projectile could be swaged down to .330.

Or a Bertram 250 gr .330 SP used if velocity enables 2,900 ft lbs.

I don't know if anyone makes a .330 244 gr projectile anymore?

A .318 WR or .338/06 is more than adequate. But the 9.5x57 mm M-S isn't anymore.

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: NitroX]
      #361500 - 04/02/22 09:03 AM



That's quite a nice one. Probably ex India.

What price did it go for?

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: NitroX]
      #361505 - 04/02/22 01:34 PM

240gn at 2000fps it sounds a bit like a souped up 44mag, one of those 45/70 conversions would be great for that sort of hunting.
But then that round seems to be doing the job just fine as it is.

What I find really interesting is the Leppards seem more of a problem then the tigers are.


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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: 260rem]
      #361506 - 04/02/22 04:37 PM

A leopard population that is more than four times the Tiger population combined with the leopard's higher adaptive capacity to humans and human settlements strongly suggests a potential for a greater number of human/leopard conflicts than human/tiger conflicts.

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: dracb]
      #361509 - 04/02/22 08:03 PM

the rifle probably sold for 500 euro, did not see it going

hornady have a .330 ,205 grains softpopint bullet for the 8x56R M 30
power is somewhere between 8x57IRS and 8x57IS

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Re: Modern day hunting of Man-Eaters in India [Re: NitroX]
      #361521 - 05/02/22 06:28 AM

My buddy Keith has a 3-die set from Lee's custom shop for sizing .338's down to .330.
He also has a set of Lee custom dies for sizing down .323's to .315 for a #4 he has with that groove dia.

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      #361523 - 05/02/22 07:11 AM

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A 225 gr projectile at 2410 fps would satisfy Big Game Rifle Club Group One minimum requirements.
A .318 WR or .338/06 is more than adequate. But the 9.5x57 mm M-S isn't anymore.



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      #361533 - 05/02/22 10:39 AM

Didn't the factory 8x56R run a 205 gr. about 2050fps?
found this:

5th load down, is interesting.

1938 nazi marked surplus ammo (2337 fps)

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet (Graf and Sons) 44 gr IMR 4064, (2083 fps)

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet 45.9 IMR 4895 (2168 fps)

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet 46 grains Varget. (2155 fps)

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet 47 grains IMR 3031. (2355 fps) Will never exceed.

.329 Bufallo 150 grain spire point 47 grains IMR 3031. (2489 fps) Will never exceed.

.329 Bufallo 150 spire point 46 grains Varget (2168 fps)

.329 Bufallo 150 spire point 44 grains IMR 4064. (2150 fps)

.329 Bufallo 150 spirepoint IMR 4895 46 grains. (2252 fps)

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      #361535 - 05/02/22 10:56 AM

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Lee custom dies for sizing down .323's to .315



I had a cunning plan to do this too, as an attempt to accommodate worn/oversize bores in old Lee Enfields (military and sporting). In my case the donor bullets are the Sellier & Bellot 196gr .318-dia projectiles currently available (albeit sporadically) in Oz.
Trouble is, most (all of mine!) worn three-ohs still have a tight chamber neck and won't accept a cartridge loaded with a ~.315 projectile. But given the bores are already beyond normal service, I now need to have a throat reamer made to open up the neck area. Onward, ever upward...!

kuduae: just to clarify the BGR rule, its designed to eliminate firearms that would unfairly compete against 'actual' big game rifles. And that's the Australian definition of big game, not American; ie Asian buffalo, African DG etc. The cutoff for Group 1 is .330-min and 2900 ftlbs. In the good'ol'days the 9.5 Mannlicher and .375 x 2 1/2 were allowed under an exemption, but when the discipline was "nationalized" (for the good of the sport, I must add) the exemption disappeared.
Our local club still honours the exemption for our monthly shoots, but not State or National championships.

Also Daryl, I think all those Hornady .330 205gr bullets are military-pattern FMJ. All the ones in my possession are.

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      #361537 - 05/02/22 11:43 AM

Manson, Shilen & Pacific make neck/throaters & just throating reamers.

Some Gun Smith's I have heard, use straight "Chucking" reamers, made in .001" increments for enlarging necks, but this does nothing for the throat, I suspect??(don't know for sure).

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      #361549 - 05/02/22 07:01 PM

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kuduae: just to clarify the BGR rule, its designed to eliminate firearms that would unfairly compete against 'actual' big game rifles. And that's the Australian definition of big game, not American; ie Asian buffalo, African DG etc. The cutoff for Group 1 is .330-min and 2900 ftlbs. In the good'ol'days the 9.5 Mannlicher and .375 x 2 1/2 were allowed under an exemption, but when the discipline was "nationalized" (for the good of the sport, I must add) the exemption disappeared.
Our local club still honours the exemption for our monthly shoots, but not State or National championships.




The rule change effectively mean the 9.5x57 M-S and .375 2 1/2" effectively are totally redundant. Except for the same class as a .308 or .243 or 7mm Mag po-lo-mo ,(is common) type rifles can also be used.

Classic rifles in classic vintage cartridges including the .375 2 1/2" and 9.5x57 M-S are exactly why the BGRC was formed.

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      #361550 - 05/02/22 07:11 PM

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Didn't the factory 8x56R run a 205 gr. about 2050fps?
found this:

5th load down, is interesting.

1938 nazi marked surplus ammo (2337 fps)

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet (Graf and Sons) 44 gr IMR 4064, (2083 fps)

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet 45.9 IMR 4895 (2168 fps)

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet 46 grains Varget. (2155 fps)

.330 Hornady 205 grain bullet 47 grains IMR 3031. (2355 fps) Will never exceed.

.329 Bufallo 150 grain spire point 47 grains IMR 3031. (2489 fps) Will never exceed.

.329 Bufallo 150 spire point 46 grains Varget (2168 fps)

.329 Bufallo 150 spire point 44 grains IMR 4064. (2150 fps)

.329 Bufallo 150 spirepoint IMR 4895 46 grains. (2252 fps)




Good to know those projectiles exist. Might be useful.

Needed a minimum 225 gr .330 projectile, 2900 ft lbs.

I doubt a 8x56R could achieve this.

Funny comments are that a 8x50R shoots a 244 gr projectile at 2000 fps?

But the more powerful 8x56R newer cartridge shoots a lighter 205 gr at also 2000 fps. ???

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      #361551 - 05/02/22 07:20 PM

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Back to maneaters in India....?




True. If a .315 SMLE can shoot maneater leopard and tiger, it can shoot charging paper targets.









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      #361566 - 05/02/22 10:57 PM

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But the more powerful 8x56R newer cartridge shoots a lighter 205 gr at also 2000 fps. ???



The advertised ballistics of the two current Serbian PPU – Prvi Partizan 8x56R M30S loads are a 13.5 g = 208 gr bullet, either SN or FMJBT, at 700 m/s = 2300 fps. The CIP max pressure of the cartridge is 3550 bar, slightly less than the 3650 bar of the .303


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      #361569 - 05/02/22 11:45 PM

Several 8 mm cartridges were called “.315” by the British. Here are the entries for the 8x50R in the 1925 Kynoch catalog and a page from the 1925 Manton & Co., Calcutta price list.






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      #361593 - 06/02/22 07:30 PM

Thanks Kuduae.

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      #361600 - 06/02/22 09:44 PM

the kynoch load is a little bit longer

posibble made for india and the 315 lee enfield magazine rifle, here on Mannlicher M 95 clips



303 service cartridge, 8x50 R Kynoch softpoint, 8x50R DWM softpoint, 8x50R service cartridge
notice that the Kynoch cartridge have a longer and spitzer bullet and is in oal close to the 303 round(lee Enfield magazin lenght?)
my M 95 is in the hands of the gunmaker now and I can not try if it fits into the Mannlicher or if the 2 mm more make a difference.


headstamp is Kynoch 8mm

Manton/calcutta catalog with the service cartridge and the Kynoch round


had allways an interest in the 8x50R and buy the ammo when geting this
there is a 50 cm M 95 carbine barrel, will maybe make an insert once

have try to load it with the 9x3x53R and 8x50R lebel die set, it works

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      #361609 - 07/02/22 01:13 AM

Lancaster, thanks for posting.

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      #369441 - 21/09/22 11:28 PM

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Back to maneaters in India....?




True. If a .315 SMLE can shoot maneater leopard and tiger, it can shoot charging paper targets.












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Rackshit Sharma:
His name is Lakhpat Singh Rawat . A school teacher and now a famous man animal conflict resolver . Yours truly is also empaneled by the Forest Department in similar capacity. He though has been at it for longer than most of us and is the most experienced.




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Furqan Abbasid:
He is the modern day Corbett !Uttarakhand teacher has outscored British legendary hunter Jim Corbett in shooting down man-eaters. Lakhpat Singh Rawat, 50, has gunned down 45 man-eaters so far, while Corbett had killed 33 during 1907 and 1938.





To which I replied, "it isn't a scoreboard competition."

Btw some of these modern "maneaters" seem to be quite young cats

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      #369530 - 24/09/22 07:42 PM

maybe they learned from her mother, maybe humans were just to b near to overlook them any day.

maybe they got the wrong cat ...

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maybe they learned from her mother, maybe humans were just to b near to overlook them any day.

maybe they got the wrong cat ...




Indians have commented some of these guys shoot anything and everything. Not the specific maneater?

But is this true? No idea. Jealousy? No idea.

Interesting pictures however.

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Thread to be enjoyed again?

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      #373718 - 01/02/23 03:57 PM

John you commented:
"Btw some of these modern "maneaters" seem to be quite young cats". I have made the same observation for cougars and Jaguar that predate on livestock and in one case on a human.

More or less 50 years ago I spent several years working in the jungle covered Mosquitia region of Honduras and Nicaragua. My assistants and I lived in the primitive villages widely scattered along the streams draining the region and to a large degree subsisted off the local economy. Living in constant contact with the local inhabitants it soon became clear that Jaguar depredation on cattle, swine and other livestock was an ongoing issue for the campesinos. When the majority of your wealth is concentrated in a cow and her calf or a sow and her piglets any loss is heart breaking or debilitating. I took an interest in this situation and tried to visit as many kill sites as were brought to my attention. I had the impression over time that the animals visiting the vicinity of the villages on average left smaller foot prints than those prints I observed on sandbars along the streams. At the time I rationalized that sub-adults might 1) be attracted to the semi-domestic biomass that was less predator evasive than the natural prey species farther from the villages and 2) had not yet fully developed fear of humans.

Fifty years on in life I am in a position where I have the duty to inspect many if not most of the cougars the Conservation Officer Service harvests in southwestern British Columbia. These are harvested due to conflict with humans or perceived danger to humans. Once again I am observing that the sub-adult age class is substantially over represented in the cougars harvested due to human/cougar conflict ie guilty of having lamb, cabrito or other livestock on their breath, hanging out in the hedge at a local school or in one case a predatory human attack. The old, weak and injured do not appear to be the cougars predating on livestock. I think the over representation of the sub-adult age class is due to these being the equivalent of teenagers making bad decisions as they gain life experience, but before they learn to be particularly afraid of humans. Looking at the photographs in this thread it would appear that sub-adult leopards living in close association with humans have plenty of opportunity to make similar bad decisions.

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      #373720 - 01/02/23 04:19 PM

Young adult immature predators are also easier to kill. Young and dumb.

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      #373811 - 04/02/23 06:20 AM




thats how it goes, maybe an evolutionary benefit to find new feed, habitat and so on it will help the hunter too.

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      #375425 - 23/03/23 05:28 AM

see a pic in the news about a punjab separatist group and the ammo belt catch my eyes



this are law abidance indian gun owner, the man on the right have belts for his 32 S&W long ammo, the gentleman on the left have .315 india ammo in his belt

in all a nice composed picture with exotic charm

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      #375427 - 23/03/23 05:50 AM

At least three side by side shotguns as well

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      #375435 - 23/03/23 08:19 AM

The $115.00 "point tree two Bebley Scort" are for an Enfield .32 S&W top-break revolver. Back in the mid 70's we sold a hundred of those to "New" Canadians who were mailing them back to relatives in India.
We bought the revolvers from Allen Lever's Toys for Big Boys, in Vancouver. He refused to sell to Indians. So, we (Hunter's Sporting Goods) bought them from Allen(importer) and sold them to the Indian community in Vanvouver and surrounding area.
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      #375457 - 23/03/23 04:37 PM



"point tree two Bebley Scort"

reminds me on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc2d652_2hE

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LOL - that was funny.

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