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Westley_Richards
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Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng
      #30195 - 28/04/05 11:57 PM

Reading Capstick's "Death in a Lonely Land; Southern Fried Buffalo" he writes about an "Asian Red Buffalo" existing in Australia. Supposedly a different variety from the water buffalo and considerably more dangerous. Question is do they exist, can I hunt them in Oz? Also is crocodile huntable in Australia?

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Westley_Richards]
      #35168 - 28/07/05 10:07 PM

Hi There,

I believe that the Asian Red Buffalo that you are refering to is the Banteng which is slightly smaller than the Asiatic Water Buffalo and less widespread. Whether they are more agressive I cannot say but having hunted the Water Buffalo you wouldn't want to piss one off or go in under-gunned.

Both species are huntable in the Northern Territory for a price with the Banteng being more expensive due to their limited distribution which has been limited to the Coburg Peninsular in the NT.

Contact Max Davidson's Safaris if you are interested in hunting in the NT. Australia especially the Northern Territory is shaping as a viable alternative for free-range big-game hunting. Having being born and raised in the NT I can vouch that it is a sportsmans paradise.

Thanks,

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Edited by NitroX (12/10/08 05:39 PM)

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Michael]
      #116728 - 12/10/08 11:36 AM

Hi Westley Richards and Michael,

Max Davidson Safaris is in name only, His son Peter is now or was running the safari business whilst Max is doing his Tourism tour business showing the aboriginal art etc of the Northern Territory to the world.

As for using him, why don't you use a fellow hunter and member who has advertisments here on the Nitroexpress forum. I am talking about Graham Williams, Australian Buffalo Safaris who also does Bantang in the Coburg Peninsular.

Before making any bookings for the 2009 season, get a copy of their licence/ contract to hunt on the aboriginal concessions as there has been a lot of problems this year. I know that Graham has all the required paperwork and he will confirm the problem of licencing and the illegal hunting. He will definitely give you good value for money if you book a hunt with him. I can recommend him personally as I had a great hunt in September 2007 coming away with 2 nice Buffalo.

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: CHAPUISARMES]
      #116741 - 12/10/08 05:21 PM

Quote:

Max Davidson Safaris is in name only, His son Peter is now or was running the safari business whilst Max is doing his Tourism tour business showing the aboriginal art etc of the Northern Territory to the world.

As for using him, why don't you use a fellow hunter and member who has advertisments here on the Nitroexpress forum. I am talking about Graham Williams, Australian Buffalo Safaris who also does Bantang in the Coburg Peninsular.




I think Peter trades as Peter Davidson Safaris or Peter Davidson Arnhemland Hunting Safaris.

Two outfitters that sponsor NitroExpress.com, Matt Graham of Hunt Australia, and Graham Williams of Australian Buffalo Hunters can book banteng hunts for clients.

I hunted personally with Matt on a two by one hunt together (Matt being the other hunter) last year (Nov 2007) and took a fine banteng bull with my .450 double rifle. Banteng do not require such a heavy rifle but it is my bovine slayer .



I really enjoyed the hunt though in November the weather was baking hot in the middle of the day, many afternoons there were rain showers from thunderstorms and I suppose the humidity was very high. The Cobourg Peninsula however jutting out to the Arafura Sea has a moderating influence and there can be some more pleasant sea breezes. Inland in November would be quite different. Of course Banteng can be hunted in the more pleasant months of June to September.

One thing I strongly recommend from my personal experience. If booking book with a good outfitter like Hunt Australia or Aust Buffalo Hunters, especially if they make sure you have a good guide. I would have been less than impressed if Matt Graham had not been hunting as well. Enough said.

PS I will shift these posts to another thread, as they are off topic.

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: NitroX]
      #116767 - 12/10/08 09:06 PM

NitroX , Banteng should be hunted with a large caliber for sure ! I have been charged 3 times by bulls ,once by a unwounded just plain mean bull & one of our hunters in the early days was gored by a wounded bull , back then 300 Mag & 338s were used , even 375s are light & won,t stop a charge unless you brain them , I was tossed & banged up when useing a under powered rifle , I shot him in the nose as he hit me which did not stop him just but him off his shot , he then threw me over the mangroves which saved me !

These are a great animal to hunt , like a smaller Gaur & much more aggressive then Water Buffalo

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Sarg]
      #116842 - 13/10/08 04:59 PM

The Cobourg Peninsula was more open than I expected it to be. Lovely forests.

I think a 9.3x74R would be an ideal Banteng cartridge or a .375. Maybe with the option of a scope.

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: NitroX]
      #116850 - 13/10/08 09:44 PM

Anyone read my several posts on Banteng and those fools who assume they can use minimal calibres and moreover poor cultural protocols to access same?

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: kamilaroi]
      #116871 - 14/10/08 01:11 AM

Quote:

Anyone read my several posts on Banteng and those fools who assume they can use minimal calibres and moreover poor cultural protocols to access same?



My search found one thread only:

Hunting Banteng

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: NitroX]
      #116895 - 14/10/08 10:10 AM

that's the one.

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: kamilaroi]
      #116922 - 14/10/08 08:34 PM

Nitrox
Those light guns should only be used if you have some with you who has a real rifle to back you up , sooner or later you will need them , I don,t think you lean any thing on one hunt !
I think you hunted at the end of the dry when most of the cover has burnt off or died down
there are very thick jungle areas up there & thick Mangrove forest & around salt pans
Useing light rifles on Big Bull Bovines with out back will get you hurt one day , like the guys who shot deer with 243s which works until they loss a big trophy stag , which know one knows about , but it,s hard to hide a good stomping !!

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Sarg]
      #116923 - 14/10/08 08:43 PM

Also looking at your Bull, which is a very nice old guy he is going back in body size becuse of old age , they really loss mass & get lighter in colour again , this is common on big horned Banteng more so than with Buffalo !

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Westley_Richards]
      #116937 - 15/10/08 01:28 AM

After reading the above comments,I have to disagree that the red buff is actually a banteng bull.
Whilst hunting in the north eastern Arnhem Land a couple of years ago I saw several buff that were actually reddish in color with ivory colored horns.
And no it was not covered in red dust.
I was told by my hunting mate that they were not uncommon,and I'm inclined to agree with him.
He has hunted in the Territory every year for the last 27 years so I recon he knows what he is talking about.
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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #116938 - 15/10/08 01:49 AM


I have to agree with Alan.

Aust Buff come in the Usual Dull Grey, through to one extreme
of Jet Black and then all the other way to a Lightish Grey and yes, even Red coloured.

I tend to think that they were talking about just normal Aust Water Buffalo that were Red in Colour.

Ivory horns relate to the Albino's.

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: 500Nitro]
      #116979 - 15/10/08 02:15 PM

I agree - there are lots of reddish/pink coloured buffalo in the wild..

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Matt_Graham]
      #116980 - 15/10/08 02:22 PM

Don't tell Gerard Henderson eh?

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: kamilaroi]
      #116982 - 15/10/08 02:26 PM

Quote:

Don't tell Gerard Henderson eh?




Who ?

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: 500Nitro]
      #116990 - 15/10/08 04:06 PM

A well known acolyte of the late Cardinal Daniel Mannix. Both saw "reds influences everywhere, even under the bed" and old Gerard still does.

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: kamilaroi]
      #117000 - 15/10/08 07:59 PM

Yes that true , it,s hard to find a good Red-White Bull,they have light coloured hoofs , horns ,noses & eyes , but not pink eyes like Albino normally have !
heres a pic




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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Sarg]
      #117005 - 15/10/08 10:14 PM

Have to agree with Alan et al above, there are plenty of pink or red buffalo in my neck of the woods.
The ones with light-coloured horns are probably closer to albino though, and are far less common.

Here's a couple of red buff that have fallen to our guns in the Top End:





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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: NitroX]
      #118903 - 15/11/08 03:46 PM

what a lovely set you got there John !




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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: lapua]
      #262395 - 17/03/15 03:26 PM

Bump

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: ozhunter]
      #262397 - 17/03/15 05:28 PM

Some colour variations

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Claydog]
      #262403 - 17/03/15 08:45 PM

MS 1910, Clayton? If so..YAY! I still havent done the PTA for mine. I better do that.

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Ash]
      #262434 - 18/03/15 08:53 AM

Yes, that is an MS 1910. That one is Patos.

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Sarg]
      #327317 - 16/04/19 12:32 AM

Quote:

NitroX , Banteng should be hunted with a large caliber for sure ! I have been charged 3 times by bulls ,once by a unwounded just plain mean bull & one of our hunters in the early days was gored by a wounded bull , back then 300 Mag & 338s were used , even 375s are light & won,t stop a charge unless you brain them , I was tossed & banged up when useing a under powered rifle , I shot him in the nose as he hit me which did not stop him just but him off his shot , he then threw me over the mangroves which saved me !

These are a great animal to hunt , like a smaller Gaur & much more aggressive then Water Buffalo



Interesting looking for my 2007 photo and found Sarge's post. Don't remember reading it back then. But may have forgotten it.

But Sarge, yes, and my .450 is my bovine rifle.

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Re: Australian's Red "Buffalo" - Banteng [Re: Sarg]
      #327318 - 16/04/19 12:33 AM

Quote:

Nitrox
Those light guns should only be used if you have some with you who has a real rifle to back you up , sooner or later you will need them , I don,t think you lean any thing on one hunt !
I think you hunted at the end of the dry when most of the cover has burnt off or died down
there are very thick jungle areas up there & thick Mangrove forest & around salt pans
Useing light rifles on Big Bull Bovines with out back will get you hurt one day , like the guys who shot deer with 243s which works until they loss a big trophy stag , which know one knows about , but it,s hard to hide a good stomping !!



I pretty much use my .450 on all bovines plus elephant.

One day the .404 will get a look in.

Though I have used the 9.3mm and the .375 as well.

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